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PhoenixForce
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| 24 wrote: | | r41 wrote: | | K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | | 7-8 new players is a lot especially since we will only have 1 draft player and most likely 2 new players in FA.... were the heck did Scott get the 7-8 new players from? unless the Lakers are willing to go over the cap.... |
More simply, we are changing most or all of our bench players. |
Perhaps, although Black, Kelly, Brown will likely be back, Sacre might, and there are a ton of scenarios where Davis and/or Lin return. |
Oh god I really hope Kelly and Sacre are gone somehow. They sucks so bad Id rather have Tex Winter suit than to see those 2 in a Lakers uniform again. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| r41 wrote: | | K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | | 7-8 new players is a lot especially since we will only have 1 draft player and most likely 2 new players in FA.... were the heck did Scott get the 7-8 new players from? unless the Lakers are willing to go over the cap.... |
More simply, we are changing most or all of our bench players. |
Actually it more likely he is thinking of the starters.
If the starting lineup goes as expected at the moment the Lakers will have a new starting C, PF. SF and SG if you count Kobe as "new" from the end of last season.
IMO the list above that MJST posted looks about right. Easily 7 new players on the roster. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | Atlanta is a prime example why u dont fo after role players 1st.
U need stars 1st and they create role players like JR, Iman Shumpert, Del |
They're in the Conference Finals and have $25M in cap space this summer. |
& getting swept.
U need star players when the lights r shinning bright |
Their defensive guard got beat by NYC cops.
Their defensive forward got injured game 1.
Their 3 point specialist got injured game 2.
Their center got a bogus flagrant 2 in game 3.
Sure the Cavs played without Kyrie and Love, but when your team is built on team play with stars and not super stars, it's harder to compensate for a lost player, let alone 3 different players per game.
I would have loved to see both teams play at full, and I wouldnt think the Cavs would have had this easy of a series. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | Atlanta is a prime example why u dont fo after role players 1st.
U need stars 1st and they create role players like JR, Iman Shumpert, Del |
They're in the Conference Finals and have $25M in cap space this summer. |
& getting swept.
U need star players when the lights r shinning bright |
Of course you need stars, I'm just saying that ATL hasn't done anything to prevent themselves from getting one.
You don't think that if we made it to the Conference Finals and had a ton of cap space, FAs would be crawling over each other to get to LA? |
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Jim99187
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | Atlanta is a prime example why u dont fo after role players 1st.
U need stars 1st and they create role players like JR, Iman Shumpert, Del |
They're in the Conference Finals and have $25M in cap space this summer. |
& getting swept.
U need star players when the lights r shinning bright |
Of course you need stars, I'm just saying that ATL hasn't done anything to prevent themselves from getting one.
You don't think that if we made it to the Conference Finals and had a ton of cap space, FAs would be crawling over each other to get to LA? |
they do 25mil in cap space but they also have Paul Millsap and D Carroll as UFA . so if they pay those 2 then then have none |
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Jim99187
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Opportunity-Knocks-DeMarre-Carrolls-Long-and-Winding-Road-to-Stardom-5019 |
good Demarre Carroll article |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | Atlanta is a prime example why u dont fo after role players 1st.
U need stars 1st and they create role players like JR, Iman Shumpert, Del |
They're in the Conference Finals and have $25M in cap space this summer. |
& getting swept.
U need star players when the lights r shinning bright |
Of course you need stars, I'm just saying that ATL hasn't done anything to prevent themselves from getting one.
You don't think that if we made it to the Conference Finals and had a ton of cap space, FAs would be crawling over each other to get to LA? |
they do 25mil in cap space but they also have Paul Millsap and D Carroll as UFA . so if they pay those 2 then then have none |
LA wont have that issue. They will likely have cap room each of the next three off-seasons, even if they use it each year. |
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Jim99187
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | Atlanta is a prime example why u dont fo after role players 1st.
U need stars 1st and they create role players like JR, Iman Shumpert, Del |
They're in the Conference Finals and have $25M in cap space this summer. |
& getting swept.
U need star players when the lights r shinning bright |
Of course you need stars, I'm just saying that ATL hasn't done anything to prevent themselves from getting one.
You don't think that if we made it to the Conference Finals and had a ton of cap space, FAs would be crawling over each other to get to LA? |
they do 25mil in cap space but they also have Paul Millsap and D Carroll as UFA . so if they pay those 2 then then have none |
LA wont have that issue. They will likely have cap room each of the next three off-seasons, even if they use it each year. |
yupe. I will be happy if they come out this yr with 1 max and 1 2nd tier and 2 rookies. 1 pick goes out to clear young/kelly |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The only RFA SF the Lakers should even try for are Butler and Leonard. These guys are the only 2 that make Lebron's job difficult. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | The only RFA SF the Lakers should even try for are Butler and Leonard. These guys are the only 2 that make Lebron's job difficult. |
No point in trying, unless you want to help the Bulls/Spurs by them matching offer sheets of only 4.5% raises instead of 7.5% |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Kingpin2010 wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | The only RFA SF the Lakers should even try for are Butler and Leonard. These guys are the only 2 that make Lebron's job difficult. |
No point in trying, unless you want to help the Bulls/Spurs by them matching offer sheets of only 4.5% raises instead of 7.5% |
Could sign them to the 2 year max with the 2nd year as a player option to at least ensure that they hit free agency next year (when we have enough for 2 max salaries). Not saying they'd take it, but at least would give us something for our time. |
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Jim99187
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| Quote: | Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 22m22 minutes ago
And I'm hearing teams have indeed begun to inquire about availability of Mason Plumlee based on belief Nets willing to move young big man |
does anybody want Mason Plumlee? young cheap asset |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | Quote: | Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 22m22 minutes ago
And I'm hearing teams have indeed begun to inquire about availability of Mason Plumlee based on belief Nets willing to move young big man |
does anybody want Mason Plumlee? young cheap asset |
I'll take him for the 27 pick I doubt the nets do it though |
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Jim99187
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| DipNGold wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Quote: | Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 22m22 minutes ago
And I'm hearing teams have indeed begun to inquire about availability of Mason Plumlee based on belief Nets willing to move young big man |
does anybody want Mason Plumlee? young cheap asset |
I'll take him for the 27 pick I doubt the nets do it though |
ya i would love to pair him up with Love
preference 1st is john henson tough |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't want plumlee in the slightest. Especially not if I have to give up an asset for him. Much better options available |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| 22 wrote: | | Don't want plumlee in the slightest. Especially not if I have to give up an asset for him. Much better options available |
The only asset would be the #27 pick. Plumlee would be a great get for that pick.
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| what about Della from the cavs he is a RFA.. Offer him around 5=6 m see if Cavs match... Can shoot 3, plays tough d, needs more players with his passion. I'll take Clarkson and Della at point for the next 5 years |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| DipNGold wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Quote: | Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 22m22 minutes ago
And I'm hearing teams have indeed begun to inquire about availability of Mason Plumlee based on belief Nets willing to move young big man |
does anybody want Mason Plumlee? young cheap asset |
I'll take him for the 27 pick I doubt the nets do it though |
How is Miles Plumless worth a 27th pick? What does he do better than Ed Davis or Tarik Black? |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Sting wrote: | | what about Della from the cavs he is a RFA.. Offer him around 5=6 m see if Cavs match... Can shoot 3, plays tough d, needs more players with his passion. I'll take Clarkson and Della at point for the next 5 years |
Dellavedova was flat-out terrible this season, and now he's had a couple of decent playoff games against a feeble Eastern Conference crew of squads. I'm trusting the far-greater sample size of the regular season here. He's an easily replaceable backup PG and there is no reason to spend $5-6MM on him. If you're going to take a shot at a $5-6MM point guard, give me somebody with actual upside who just needs a chance at playing time, like Cory Joseph. And even that is a plan C type of idea, because I firmly believe that Plan A is to sign a max free agent like Love or Aldridge, and I'm not sure how much money we will have left over. I'm a big fan of Joseph, though. If you look at the analytics thread, Cory Joseph is near the top of many of the various lists that the mods posted. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | DipNGold wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Quote: | Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 22m22 minutes ago
And I'm hearing teams have indeed begun to inquire about availability of Mason Plumlee based on belief Nets willing to move young big man |
does anybody want Mason Plumlee? young cheap asset |
I'll take him for the 27 pick I doubt the nets do it though |
ya i would love to pair him up with Love
preference 1st is john henson tough |
I like Henson too.
Hypothetical:
Would Milwaukee trade Henson and Giannis for No. 2?
Would this be a good trade for the Lakers? |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:12 am Post subject: |
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What could we offer for Jack? I've always been a big fan
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| Chronicle wrote: | | What could we offer for Jack? I've always been a big fan |
I dunno. Do we still have the draft rights to Ater Majok?...
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Jack makes $6.3MM. He's a solid-enough 25-30 minute per game guy, but unless Nick Young is going back out, I just don't think he's worth that cap space reduction. And Jack certainly has more value than Nick Young; he's under contract for 1 less season (Nick's last year is a player option), he doesn't make that much more, and he isn't coming off a nightmare season. If you could dump Young and Kelly for Jack, that would be great, because the salaries essentially cancel out (you'd still have to account for one player's minimum cap hold, which is why it ends up roughly even), but you would probably have to give them the #27 pick to do that.
And to be honest, if I'm giving up the #27 to dump Young, I might prefer to not take back any salary whatsoever to just open up the cap space. Why? I like the idea of getting a max player plus a possible starting small forward more than getting Jack or a backup PG with that cap space.
Edit: Figured I would add that, based on that article, if the Nets are trying to dump Jack to get under the tax line, they wouldn't want to take back salary, which pretty much rules out the Young/Kelly idea. I just don't want to take away $6.3MM of our cap space on a backup PG. We would no longer have a max slot for the UFA's. |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Jack's second year is only partially guaranteed
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