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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:51 am    Post subject:

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Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.


But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...


l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


And that win gave us the real answer to Byron's potential success. If we play teams that are missing two starters (Spurs, Rockets), we have the chance to hold them to less than 100 points. Now how we get the rest of the league to play along I have no idea.


This is your team, you have supported Jim and Mitch and now you belittle winning back to back on back to back nights on the road.

What, didn't your boy's Sacre and Kelly contribute enough?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject:

It might be a question of effort but, I wonder if Byron is ever really planning on implementing an offensive system. From what some of the post interviews it sounds like all they ever focus on in practice is defense. For example of a good offensive play which I don't I've seen this season is that hockey puck assist for the open three pt shot. There are some basic plays they do but imo the offense just seems stagnate at times with no off-ball movement. Defense will take care of your offense but I think it works both ways in that the offense will give people more intensity on defense as well.
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Voices wrote:
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Voices wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.


But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...


l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


And that win gave us the real answer to Byron's potential success. If we play teams that are missing two starters (Spurs, Rockets), we have the chance to hold them to less than 100 points. Now how we get the rest of the league to play along I have no idea.


This is your team, you have supported Jim and Mitch and now you belittle winning back to back on back to back nights on the road.

What, didn't your boy's Sacre and Kelly contribute enough?


I see you failed to recognize the point, I am belittling our defense and defensive scheme. It is likely the worst in the league. To think that these two wins are some kind of turn around is assuming way too much.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject:

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It might be a question of effort but, I wonder if Byron is ever really planning on implementing an offensive system. From what some of the post interviews it sounds like all they ever focus on in practice is defense. For example of a good offensive play which I don't I've seen this season is that hockey puck assist for the open three pt shot. There are some basic plays they do but imo the offense just seems stagnate at times with no off-ball movement. Defense will take care of your offense but I think it works both ways in that the offense will give people more intensity on defense as well.


Our two most popular players are 1-on-1 guys. Why rock the boat? I'm actually with Byron on this. Give the people what they want and get that top 5 pick.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject:

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fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.




But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...


l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


And that win gave us the real answer to Byron's potential success. If we play teams that are missing two starters (Spurs, Rockets), we have the chance to hold them to less than 100 points. Now how we get the rest of the league to play along I have no idea.


This is your team, you have supported Jim and Mitch and now you belittle winning back to back on back to back nights on the road.

What, didn't your boy's Sacre and Kelly contribute enough?


I see you failed to recognize the point, I am belittling our defense and defensive scheme. It is likely the worst in the league. To think that these two wins are some kind of turn around is assuming way too much.


We just won two games on the road, is that a turnaround, sure it is, for this team. Belittling the defense after back to back road wins makes no sense, don't you have something positive about this team. Mitch and Jim gave Byron a mess and Byron has been cool and collective dealing with a lack of talent. I am personally thankful to have a coach that faces reality, because this team needs are extensive and one of them is not a new coach. I am still a firm believer that talent wins, coaching is a far back second.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:57 pm    Post subject:

It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:17 pm    Post subject:

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It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:18 pm    Post subject:

I saw some great things on defense last night. Look at this defensive stand to win the game:



Everything they talked about on defense I saw in this one sequence.
Communication - Calling out screens. Lin is able to get around them without getting stuck.
Trust - Young leaving Black to close out on Papa, knowing Hill got his back.
Effort - Hill doubling Harden at the three point line then getting all the way back to his man in the low post (I didn't even know Hill could move like that)

It was only one play and I don't see us playing like this for 48 minutes, but it shows that our players are capable of playing good defense. It's up to BScott now to get these guys organized on defense and hold them accountable. Benching Boozer late was a good first step.
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i think rocket shot themselves in the foot at the end going harden ISOs. it made them easy to defend. during the last few mins i still saw rockets player being wide open for 3, in particular Bev. Lin was hanging around the paint trying to double team good thing they were stupid and didn't pass much. we got to stop this leaving 3point shooter wide open defense
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.

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But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...




l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


When's the parade?


Are you belittling back to back wins on the road on back to back nights? It is a major accomplishment for this team, self esteem is important, a little self esteem boost is a good thing, don't you think?


I'm not belittling anything. I just don't think beating an average eastern conference team and a team without its best player is that impressive. And it certainly doesn't prove whatever point you were attempting to make about his last Finals appearance 11 1/2 years ago.
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I saw some great things on defense last night. Look at this defensive stand to win the game:



Everything they talked about on defense I saw in this one sequence.
Communication - Calling out screens. Lin is able to get around them without getting stuck.
Trust - Young leaving Black to close out on Papa, knowing Hill got his back.
Effort - Hill doubling Harden at the three point line then getting all the way back to his man in the low post (I didn't even know Hill could move like that)

It was only one play and I don't see us playing like this for 48 minutes, but it shows that our players are capable of playing good defense. It's up to BScott now to get these guys organized on defense and hold them accountable. Benching Boozer late was a good first step.


I guess the Bulls benching Boozer because of defense is reality, the Lakers going small did improve the defense.
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It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,


To start off, the scheme is poor. And then that poor scheme is run by less talented players. And I agree, I thought from the get go that hiring Scott was a bad idea. I think the FO thought so too, evidenced by all those interviews. But they had to hire someone. It might as well be a former Laker to shut Magic's fat trap.
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KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.

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But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...




l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


When's the parade?


Are you belittling back to back wins on the road on back to back nights? It is a major accomplishment for this team, self esteem is important, a little self esteem boost is a good thing, don't you think?


I'm not belittling anything. I just don't think beating an average eastern conference team and a team without its best player is that impressive. And it certainly doesn't prove whatever point you were attempting to make about his last Finals appearance 11 1/2 years ago.


At least you admit you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.

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But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...




l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


When's the parade?


Are you belittling back to back wins on the road on back to back nights? It is a major accomplishment for this team, self esteem is important, a little self esteem boost is a good thing, don't you think?


I'm not belittling anything. I just don't think beating an average eastern conference team and a team without its best player is that impressive. And it certainly doesn't prove whatever point you were attempting to make about his last Finals appearance 11 1/2 years ago.


At least you admit you have no idea what you are talking about.


I do. You're the one who responded to GT's comment that Byron last made the Finals a dozen years saying "all you know is the Lakers won last night." As if these two things are in anyway related. But like your posts regarding Pau Gasol, you're prone to overreaction and comments that don't make sense.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject:

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It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,


To start off, the scheme is poor. And then that poor scheme is run by less talented players. And I agree, I thought from the get go that hiring Scott was a bad idea. I think the FO thought so too, evidenced by all those interviews. But they had to hire someone. It might as well be a former Laker to shut Magic's fat trap.


So Jim and Mitch hire Scott and it's Magic's decision, I wish Magic was running the Lakers
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venturalakersfan wrote:
Voices wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,


To start off, the scheme is poor. And then that poor scheme is run by less talented players. And I agree, I thought from the get go that hiring Scott was a bad idea. I think the FO thought so too, evidenced by all those interviews. But they had to hire someone. It might as well be a former Laker to shut Magic's fat trap.


So Jim and Mitch hire Scott and it's Magic's decision, I wish Magic was running the Lakers


Wow, you really got that from my comment?
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KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.

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But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...




l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


When's the parade?


Are you belittling back to back wins on the road on back to back nights? It is a major accomplishment for this team, self esteem is important, a little self esteem boost is a good thing, don't you think?


I'm not belittling anything. I just don't think beating an average eastern conference team and a team without its best player is that impressive. And it certainly doesn't prove whatever point you were attempting to make about his last Finals appearance 11 1/2 years ago.


At least you admit you have no idea what you are talking about.


I do. You're the one who responded to GT's comment that Byron last made the Finals a dozen years saying "all you know is the Lakers won last night." As if these two things are in anyway related. But like your posts regarding Pau Gasol, you're prone to overreaction and comments that don't make sense.


Some comments are connected differently than you know. I agree with your comment you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you really think GT needs defending, GT is obviously basketball knowlwdgeable. I was having a civil professional conversation with GT. If you cannot be civil then I sure there are many on this site that would love to converse with you.

Gasol plays for the Bulls. There, I'm sure are many Bull blogs, I'm sure they would welcome another Gasol fan. Lakers lounge is suppose to be about Lakers.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:35 pm    Post subject:

Judging by the last two games to answer the OP, I agree.

Maybe it took Swaggy to get them to want to play. The team I've watched the last two games is the team I thought we had. They don't give up. Last night's game is a prime example. They dug in and pulled it out.

Eight games to go before I shelf this team. If they keep playing the way they did these past two I'll be a happy camper.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:13 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Voices wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Voices wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,


To start off, the scheme is poor. And then that poor scheme is run by less talented players. And I agree, I thought from the get go that hiring Scott was a bad idea. I think the FO thought so too, evidenced by all those interviews. But they had to hire someone. It might as well be a former Laker to shut Magic's fat trap.


So Jim and Mitch hire Scott and it's Magic's decision, I wish Magic was running the Lakers


Wow, you really got that from my comment?


You like to be tricky with your words, drawing a conclusion that hiring Scott would satisfy Magic is clear by your own words shut Magic "fat trap" ......by hiring Scott or an an x Laker. Maybe you should explain what shutting Magic's fat trap means?
It's interesting your conclusion what multiple interviews means. One interview should always be enough.
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Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
KBH wrote:
Voices wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
Byron's broken defensive philosophy on full display against the Rockets. Overhelping in the paint while leaving the 3pt shooters wide open. You can tell that it's by design, and it's the reason why they are down at the half against a depleted team.

Second, he doesn't put guys on the bench when they make obvious defensive errors, so there's no accountability. (especially Boozer)

His third error was playing Kobe so many minutes on the first game of a back to back, even with Swaggy back. If he would only bench Kobe whenever he made a bad gamble, then minutes wouldn't be a problem.

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But he made the Finals in the East a dozen years ago...




l think the Lakers won last night, back to back games on the road, on back to back nights.


When's the parade?


Are you belittling back to back wins on the road on back to back nights? It is a major accomplishment for this team, self esteem is important, a little self esteem boost is a good thing, don't you think?


I'm not belittling anything. I just don't think beating an average eastern conference team and a team without its best player is that impressive. And it certainly doesn't prove whatever point you were attempting to make about his last Finals appearance 11 1/2 years ago.


At least you admit you have no idea what you are talking about.


I do. You're the one who responded to GT's comment that Byron last made the Finals a dozen years saying "all you know is the Lakers won last night." As if these two things are in anyway related. But like your posts regarding Pau Gasol, you're prone to overreaction and comments that don't make sense.


Some comments are connected differently than you know. I agree with your comment you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you really think GT needs defending, GT is obviously basketball knowlwdgeable. I was having a civil professional conversation with GT. If you cannot be civil then I sure there are many on this site that would love to converse with you.

Gasol plays for the Bulls. There, I'm sure are many Bull blogs, I'm sure they would welcome another Gasol fan. Lakers lounge is suppose to be about Lakers.


Yet another comment that doesn't make sense referring to things seemingly made up in your head.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:37 pm    Post subject:

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i think rocket shot themselves in the foot at the end going harden ISOs. it made them easy to defend. during the last few mins i still saw rockets player being wide open for 3, in particular Bev. Lin was hanging around the paint trying to double team good thing they were stupid and didn't pass much. we got to stop this leaving 3point shooter wide open defense


there's a reason they were not passing to guys like Beverly in the clutch... because guys like Beverley will probably choke an open 3 anyway.
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anyways, Byron gambled a lot on defense last night. luckily, the Rockets sucked last night missing a good number of OPEN three point shots. and basically had no paint presence or did not attack the paint as much. if we played a team like the GSW, it would have been an easy blowout loss again.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject:

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It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,


To start off, the scheme is poor. And then that poor scheme is run by less talented players. And I agree, I thought from the get go that hiring Scott was a bad idea. I think the FO thought so too, evidenced by all those interviews. But they had to hire someone. It might as well be a former Laker to shut Magic's fat trap.
Are you an NBA coach to make those comments? I guess Phil's triangle offense sucks too because it has failed everywhere that has no superstars? The reason Scott had five interview was just contract negotiations and agreeing on years. Scott wanted to know what the Lakers future plans would be. He knew he was going to be sacrificed with at least 2 years of zero talent.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:03 pm    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
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venturalakersfan wrote:
It makes sense when the defense is one of the worst in the league. That alone will keep us from turning anything around. Byron has failed to face the reality that this is 2014, not 1995.


So who is responsible for the bad defense, the players, Byron or Mitch and Jim?

All of the Lakers problems point in one direction, the top. I'm tired of leaders pawning off problems to others. The poor little shy Jimmy likes to hide behind his sister. Where is Jim Buss,


To start off, the scheme is poor. And then that poor scheme is run by less talented players. And I agree, I thought from the get go that hiring Scott was a bad idea. I think the FO thought so too, evidenced by all those interviews. But they had to hire someone. It might as well be a former Laker to shut Magic's fat trap.
Are you an NBA coach to make those comments? I guess Phil's triangle offense sucks too because it has failed everywhere that has no superstars? The reason Scott had five interview was just contract negotiations and agreeing on years. Scott wanted to know what the Lakers future plans would be. He knew he was going to be sacrificed with at least 2 years of zero talent.


I don't think Scott's offense is just lacking superstars... there's a formula to winning in the NBA. you need superstars to get you over the hump, you need an effective system to get you through the daily grind.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Two wins, yea "big turnaround"

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