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A Mad Chinaman
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BScott said it would take about 10 games to have any kind of reading on what this team is made of - I think he has his answers
Maybe soon we will have a version of Nellie Ball - mismatches don't kill you, so shared by Coach Dave - that will always hustle |
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Thanks!
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Is this the rock bottom? Or we have to wait until Kobe scores more than MJ? Someone has to step up and tell Kobe: pass to the open shooters, pass when you are doubled, pass when you feel tired or sick, pass, pass, pass...
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| j-wolf wrote: | | Is this the rock bottom? Or we have to wait until Kobe scores more than MJ? Someone has to step up and tell Kobe: pass to the open shooters, pass when you are doubled, pass when you feel tired or sick, pass, pass, pass... |
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| Thanks DB. Now is the time for B Scott to change things up. Swaggy P coming back causes juggling anyway. Time to rethink playing time and starter/bench assignments. |
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| j-wolf wrote: | | Is this the rock bottom? Or we have to wait until Kobe scores more than MJ? Someone has to step up and tell Kobe: pass to the open shooters, pass when you are doubled, pass when you feel tired or sick, pass, pass, pass... |
Kobe has to be a bit more patient and guage the team's rhythm before trying to bring them back by his lonesome. I hear clearly from Boozer, Ed Davis and a more frustrated than usual Lin that the team could not get in rhythm. Sometimes I think Kobe doesn't sense rhythm where he could be instrumental in setting it along with Lin. But Lin didn't really show up yesterday so we move on where I hope Kobe gets more in rhythm and Lin establishes one moving forward. |
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Thanks DB
This game was depressing because it felt like a regression. It seemed like we has losses where they were starting to play well together and the team was starting to find a rhythm with one another, etc. This was just...I don't even know what that was... |
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| Honeybadger81 wrote: | “Things go good, it’s us. Things go bad, it’s on me,” Kobe said, taking blame for the team’s troubles
was it really taking the blame?? |
Absolutely. That quote was in the context of a larger one where he was talking about his responsibility as the leader of the team. |
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| kray28_ wrote: | | Painful game to watch. I think the Lakers offense is partly at fault for their terrible defense. Our bigs are terrible and can't get anything close to the rim. Everything is a jumpshot, and they aren't all that good at jumpshots. Those missed Js turn into easy transition scores for teams like the Warriors. |
I said recently that the long shots are part of the problem. But I think you have to take that out of the equation tonight when we give up quick layups or easy scores after made baskets again and again. It sad when we battle all possession and maybe get a putback score and then a couple seconds later the Warriors have a layup on us. There's just no excuse for that as a team. |
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| Lakerbull wrote: | thanks db!
i agree when Young comes back Lin should return to the bench. not as demotion but i think it will better for him to play with Young than Kobe who is obviously another Harden/Melo to him.
hopefully we replace Wesley with another player a defensive SF. Beasley or even Panda or anybody who is avail who could defend and shoot an open 3.
Price/Kobe/SF/Boozer/Jordan
Lin/Young/Henry/Davis/C
trade Sacre/Wesley for that SF. |
I think Lin and Young should be a decent combo (although our sets are a mess at times). I didn't like that Lin had the second unit to run with Kelly and Davis in the last one and disappeared. He can't do that. I don't think that was at all a reason they lost this game. When we have as big an advantage as we did in field goals and free throws and still get blown out...yikes. The D was that pathetic. |
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| PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time.
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | “Things go good, it’s us. Things go bad, it’s on me,” Kobe said, taking blame for the team’s troubles
was it really taking the blame?? |
Absolutely. That quote was in the context of a larger one where he was talking about his responsibility as the leader of the team. |
It's okay and good to take responsibility, but actions speak louder than words. After the game ends, nothing said really matters, as the game is already done with. It's all about the next one to see if changes are made. Love Kobe's hustle, he's always the hardest working one on the court - but he needs to transfer that into involving the team. Teamwork is contagious - it spreads and everyone plays better.
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| Thanks DB. I am at a loss for words so much props to you! |
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| meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
I hate players that must get touches to play good D. We didn't play D right out of the gates in this game. This comes on the heels of a game where Kobe was passing and passing and no one was stepping up. A game where he needed his guys to play big offensively. So no one should have felt that way coming out of the gates in this one. They should have had the mindset that they needed to fill the void offensively.
But what do we see? Lazy D from the first several possessions. We were down by double digits when Kobe throttled it up (see his purse snatcher quote). The team, Kobe included, has been horrible defensively. It's just way too easy to score on us. I think focusing on Kobe or Lin offensively sometimes is just smoke and mirrors for a fundamental lack of team D and defensive players. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
I hate players that must get touches to play good D. We didn't play D right out of the gates in this game. This comes on the heels of a game where Kobe was passing and passing and no one was stepping up. A game where he needed his guys to play big offensively. So no one should have felt that way coming out of the gates in this one. They should have had the mindset that they needed to fill the void offensively.
But what do we see? Lazy D from the first several possessions. We were down by double digits when Kobe throttled it up (see his purse snatcher quote). The team, Kobe included, has been horrible defensively. It's just way too easy to score on us. I think focusing on Kobe or Lin offensively sometimes is just smoke and mirrors for a fundamental lack of team D and defensive players. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
If the team is giving up lay ups on the first plays of the game and one is losing by 10+ points in the first half while displaying no energy - the alternative is to set up others for shots they were missing and teammates that didn't histle on defense.
Kobe was showing the effort that is demanded to win in the NBA.
With Kenneth Faried on the outs on a bad Nuggets team, could this be a mutually beneficial trade for both teams to shake things up. A Boozer/Hill for Faried on the table?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/11/17/7235589/kenneth-faried-nuggets-free-agent-extension |
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| bws94 wrote: | | j-wolf wrote: | | Is this the rock bottom? Or we have to wait until Kobe scores more than MJ? Someone has to step up and tell Kobe: pass to the open shooters, pass when you are doubled, pass when you feel tired or sick, pass, pass, pass... |
Kobe has to be a bit more patient and guage the team's rhythm before trying to bring them back by his lonesome. I hear clearly from Boozer, Ed Davis and a more frustrated than usual Lin that the team could not get in rhythm. Sometimes I think Kobe doesn't sense rhythm where he could be instrumental in setting it along with Lin. But Lin didn't really show up yesterday so we move on where I hope Kobe gets more in rhythm and Lin establishes one moving forward. |
They were 2 for 11 with like 3 min to play in the first quarter. HOw much more does kobe stay patient? IF he didnt score, we would have came out with like 8 points in that first quarter. We have NO jumpshooters on this team outside of Kobe. There is no offensive talent. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
I hate players that must get touches to play good D. We didn't play D right out of the gates in this game. This comes on the heels of a game where Kobe was passing and passing and no one was stepping up. A game where he needed his guys to play big offensively. So no one should have felt that way coming out of the gates in this one. They should have had the mindset that they needed to fill the void offensively.
But what do we see? Lazy D from the first several possessions. We were down by double digits when Kobe throttled it up (see his purse snatcher quote). The team, Kobe included, has been horrible defensively. It's just way too easy to score on us. I think focusing on Kobe or Lin offensively sometimes is just smoke and mirrors for a fundamental lack of team D and defensive players. |
Thanks DB and well said!
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| j-wolf wrote: | | Is this the rock bottom? Or we have to wait until Kobe scores more than MJ? Someone has to step up and tell Kobe: pass to the open shooters, pass when you are doubled, pass when you feel tired or sick, pass, pass, pass... |
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| cheesysapien wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
I hate players that must get touches to play good D. We didn't play D right out of the gates in this game. This comes on the heels of a game where Kobe was passing and passing and no one was stepping up. A game where he needed his guys to play big offensively. So no one should have felt that way coming out of the gates in this one. They should have had the mindset that they needed to fill the void offensively.
But what do we see? Lazy D from the first several possessions. We were down by double digits when Kobe throttled it up (see his purse snatcher quote). The team, Kobe included, has been horrible defensively. It's just way too easy to score on us. I think focusing on Kobe or Lin offensively sometimes is just smoke and mirrors for a fundamental lack of team D and defensive players. |
Thanks DB and well said! |
I also agree with your assessment.
The next move should be made by BScott in giving PT to others that want to go to war with him.
The most dangerous element/danger is keeping players that are used to losing and unable/unwilling/incapable of doing what it takes to be champions. If they are scared of playing with Kobe, they belong to play with the majority of other NBA teams that are 2nd tier to the Lakers |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | cheesysapien wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
I hate players that must get touches to play good D. We didn't play D right out of the gates in this game. This comes on the heels of a game where Kobe was passing and passing and no one was stepping up. A game where he needed his guys to play big offensively. So no one should have felt that way coming out of the gates in this one. They should have had the mindset that they needed to fill the void offensively.
But what do we see? Lazy D from the first several possessions. We were down by double digits when Kobe throttled it up (see his purse snatcher quote). The team, Kobe included, has been horrible defensively. It's just way too easy to score on us. I think focusing on Kobe or Lin offensively sometimes is just smoke and mirrors for a fundamental lack of team D and defensive players. |
Thanks DB and well said! |
I also agree with your assessment.
The next move should be made by BScott in giving PT to others that want to go to war with him.
The most dangerous element/danger is keeping players that are used to losing and unable/unwilling/incapable of doing what it takes to be champions. If they are scared of playing with Kobe, they belong to play with the majority of other NBA teams that are 2nd tier to the Lakers |
It is not about Kobe being the hero here. Kobe should be taking as much blame for the weak D as anybody in this team right now (at least last games).
But I agree on the mentality issue. This is a losing-adjusted bunch. Winning is a mentality. We have too little of that in these Lakers.
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| s_habe wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | cheesysapien wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | meows a lot wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | Lin is starting to remind me of Pau. Says all the right things after the game, right after he plays like a complete wuss. Just keeping me on the edge of fully disliking him. |
Kobe can do that to players - the Kobe effect.
I blame Byron for not being able to reign in Kobe a bit, and Kobe really needs to be a leader and make plays for his teammates instead of just freezing out his teammates. as soon as kobe did that, other players started to follow suit, gotta got mine too or I won't have a chance to 'contribute.' You can see that everyone didn't feel like playing any D, wasn't a team out there. it was 1 on 5 every time. |
I hate players that must get touches to play good D. We didn't play D right out of the gates in this game. This comes on the heels of a game where Kobe was passing and passing and no one was stepping up. A game where he needed his guys to play big offensively. So no one should have felt that way coming out of the gates in this one. They should have had the mindset that they needed to fill the void offensively.
But what do we see? Lazy D from the first several possessions. We were down by double digits when Kobe throttled it up (see his purse snatcher quote). The team, Kobe included, has been horrible defensively. It's just way too easy to score on us. I think focusing on Kobe or Lin offensively sometimes is just smoke and mirrors for a fundamental lack of team D and defensive players. |
Thanks DB and well said! |
I also agree with your assessment.
The next move should be made by BScott in giving PT to others that want to go to war with him.
The most dangerous element/danger is keeping players that are used to losing and unable/unwilling/incapable of doing what it takes to be champions. If they are scared of playing with Kobe, they belong to play with the majority of other NBA teams that are 2nd tier to the Lakers |
It is not about Kobe being the hero here. Kobe should be taking as much blame for the weak D as anybody in this team right now (at least last games).
But I agree on the mentality issue. This is a losing-adjusted bunch. Winning is a mentality. We have too little of that in these Lakers. |
Kobe is not trying to be a hero, he is being The Example on how to win in the NBA. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | | Painful game to watch. I think the Lakers offense is partly at fault for their terrible defense. Our bigs are terrible and can't get anything close to the rim. Everything is a jumpshot, and they aren't all that good at jumpshots. Those missed Js turn into easy transition scores for teams like the Warriors. |
I said recently that the long shots are part of the problem. But I think you have to take that out of the equation tonight when we give up quick layups or easy scores after made baskets again and again. It sad when we battle all possession and maybe get a putback score and then a couple seconds later the Warriors have a layup on us. There's just no excuse for that as a team. |
Agree DB. Too many bad Help-defense on transition and quick PNR. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | | Painful game to watch. I think the Lakers offense is partly at fault for their terrible defense. Our bigs are terrible and can't get anything close to the rim. Everything is a jumpshot, and they aren't all that good at jumpshots. Those missed Js turn into easy transition scores for teams like the Warriors. |
I said recently that the long shots are part of the problem. But I think you have to take that out of the equation tonight when we give up quick layups or easy scores after made baskets again and again. It sad when we battle all possession and maybe get a putback score and then a couple seconds later the Warriors have a layup on us. There's just no excuse for that as a team. |
DB, totally agreed. It was a painful game night experience! |
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DB, thanks for enduring that.
Bye.
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