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| governator wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | He was due for a few bad shooting games he's been 50% FG most of the year. I'm not concerned he'll bounce back and have some great games. |
I was rooting for Clarkson but the boy has low iq and no defensive mentality.
Just puts his head down and dribble, dribble & be selfish |
You know including this loss, the bench lead by Lou and JC is still the one of the best unit in the league. Where you get low IQ from? |
He probably got that from keeping up with this season so far. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | jamison callin out JC for not contributing anything |
Good. He deserves it. This is not the JC we want.
JC in his rookie year was somehow a much better playmaker than what JC is right now. He has the tools, but he's choosing to just use the hammer. |
JC will only be rookie JC if he is moved back to point and not playing out of position as a scoring punch off the bench. some people think he threw nash's teaching out the window - when nash was teaching him, he was grooming him to play point for the future of this team. though he is not the point anymore and have been regulated as a scoring punch off the bench. when some people think he had a bad game or plays selfish, luke says he had a good game in post game interviews (minus last nights game). his true ability is being limited and he is doing what is asked of him.
if he was to be traded and the team (that he is traded to) doesn't limit him as just a scoring punch, people on the lakers would wonder why he didn't do that for us. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | jamison callin out JC for not contributing anything |
Good. He deserves it. This is not the JC we want.
JC in his rookie year was somehow a much better playmaker than what JC is right now. He has the tools, but he's choosing to just use the hammer. |
JC will only be rookie JC if he is moved back to point and not playing out of position as a scoring punch off the bench. some people think he threw nash's teaching out the window - when nash was teaching him, he was grooming him to play point for the future of this team. though he is not the point anymore and have been regulated as a scoring punch off the bench. when some people think he had a bad game or plays selfish, luke says he had a good game in post game interviews (minus last nights game). his true ability is being limited and he is doing what is asked of him.
if he was to be traded and the team (that he is traded to) doesn't limit him as just a scoring punch, people on the lakers would wonder why he didn't do that for us. |
Making the right basketball play shouldn't be exclusive to point guards. I don't understand that logic. He can look to attack while reading the defense. He seems to think his only role is to either dribble into the teeth of the defense or launch a 3. Passing is always an option for a guard, whether PG or SG.
Luke isn't going to throw his players under the bus, so I take his words in press conferences with a grain of salt. He's just a positive person. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | jamison callin out JC for not contributing anything |
Good. He deserves it. This is not the JC we want.
JC in his rookie year was somehow a much better playmaker than what JC is right now. He has the tools, but he's choosing to just use the hammer. |
JC will only be rookie JC if he is moved back to point and not playing out of position as a scoring punch off the bench. some people think he threw nash's teaching out the window - when nash was teaching him, he was grooming him to play point for the future of this team. though he is not the point anymore and have been regulated as a scoring punch off the bench. when some people think he had a bad game or plays selfish, luke says he had a good game in post game interviews (minus last nights game). his true ability is being limited and he is doing what is asked of him.
if he was to be traded and the team (that he is traded to) doesn't limit him as just a scoring punch, people on the lakers would wonder why he didn't do that for us. |
DLO is the future of our franchise and he is rightfully valued alot higher then Clarkson is. DLO is being molded as a PG not JC, so as long as JC is on this franchise, he's not going to be our PG. Even if JC is traded, how many teams can he start on as a PG? How many of those teams would actually amount to anything? He's not a starting caliber PG in the league and if he's primarily a PG off the bench then his minutes are going to dip.
He doesn't need to be labeled a PG to have a good game, he misses obvious passes. He has the ball in his hands most of the time along with Lou, just because he's a SG doesn't mean he can't make the right pass. He has tunnel vision. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | jamison callin out JC for not contributing anything |
Good. He deserves it. This is not the JC we want.
JC in his rookie year was somehow a much better playmaker than what JC is right now. He has the tools, but he's choosing to just use the hammer. |
JC will only be rookie JC if he is moved back to point and not playing out of position as a scoring punch off the bench. some people think he threw nash's teaching out the window - when nash was teaching him, he was grooming him to play point for the future of this team. though he is not the point anymore and have been regulated as a scoring punch off the bench. when some people think he had a bad game or plays selfish, luke says he had a good game in post game interviews (minus last nights game). his true ability is being limited and he is doing what is asked of him.
if he was to be traded and the team (that he is traded to) doesn't limit him as just a scoring punch, people on the lakers would wonder why he didn't do that for us. |
He played point last night. Nothing changed.
JC don't have a switch where he goes "oh I'm playing point guard now, let me find my open teammates more."
He isn't that type of player.
If you're a combo guard and put at the 2, you don't go. "Oh cause I'm a 2 now I no longer have to pass or look for teammates."
No! you take the knowledge you learned from being able to play both positions and you apply them. His ability to pass doesn't get auto turned off cause he's playing the 2. So let's call it what it is. He's playing stupid basketball no matter what position he's stuck at cause his mentality is the same.
That excuse of "Well JC doesn't pass cause he's playing shooting guard" is tiring.
So you're telling me that JC wouldn't dribble out the clock at the point and ignore his wide open teammates cause he thinks he can finish at the basket over everything?
Oh wait.. every time he's played point this year he's done that. Maybe it's not a 'position' thing, but a mentality thing.
The excuse of "oh he'd be a passer if he was stuck at the point guard but because he's at the 2 it's not his job to pass" is stretching tremendously, particularly when he from Mizzou to the NBA has played combo guard that had to attack and pass at the same time. JC knows what the heck to do, he's just refusing to do so cause he thinks he's better than he is. The switch ain't gonna flick magically cause he's playing the 1. He's not that stupid. He knows what he's supposed to be doing. He just thinks his way is better, and that's the problem. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | jamison callin out JC for not contributing anything |
Good. He deserves it. This is not the JC we want.
JC in his rookie year was somehow a much better playmaker than what JC is right now. He has the tools, but he's choosing to just use the hammer. |
JC will only be rookie JC if he is moved back to point and not playing out of position as a scoring punch off the bench. some people think he threw nash's teaching out the window - when nash was teaching him, he was grooming him to play point for the future of this team. though he is not the point anymore and have been regulated as a scoring punch off the bench. when some people think he had a bad game or plays selfish, luke says he had a good game in post game interviews (minus last nights game). his true ability is being limited and he is doing what is asked of him.
if he was to be traded and the team (that he is traded to) doesn't limit him as just a scoring punch, people on the lakers would wonder why he didn't do that for us. |
It's not the position, it's the system. You can't ignore the fact that the offense his rookie year was much simpler. Less reads, less vision needed, and more freedom with the ball than this year. He's a pretty good player but he's not capable of playing point guard on a good team especially in the system Luke is implementing. I would only trade him if we got something great in return but y'all gotta stop acting like his issue is his position or role. He's got clear deficiencies as a basketball player. It doesn't make him a bad player but he can't play PG on a good team period. |
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the points last night were jose, marcelo, lou, and brandon, and randle play made. these are the individuals that luke have said to be play making from the point position, as well as russell. yes, clarkson brought the ball up every now and again, though that is not his position nor asked of him. as luke stated, he's our shooting guard and provides a scoring lift off the bench - there's a reason why when people think JC plays selfish, luke thinks he had a good game. he's doing what is asked of him.
when nash taught him and was teaching him, he was the actual point, he wasn't just a scoring punch off the bench. he had a really good all around season and then was regulated to just scoring. now he has been regulated to a scoring punch off the bench.
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| Dave20 wrote: | | He was due for a few bad shooting games he's been 50% FG most of the year. I'm not concerned he'll bounce back and have some great games. |
Which defines inconsistency.
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
Yeah. We are a bunch of ingrates. Team playing out of their minds and exceeding expectations and we are complaining after losing a back to back with 2 starters and a key bench player missing.
Sometimes I wonder if we are ready for nice things. |
True. I didn't expect more than 34-35 wins before the season started, so it's all good to me. The one thing I'm concerned about is that a lot of our success is due more to old vets who may be gone in a couple years (Lou and Swaggy) than our young prospects. Might be a little bit of fool's gold in the long run. |
Or it might be young players learning the game by playing along with seasoned vets. Kind of how the FO built this team?
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | He was due for a few bad shooting games he's been 50% FG most of the year. I'm not concerned he'll bounce back and have some great games. |
I was rooting for Clarkson but the boy has low iq and no defensive mentality.
Just puts his head down and dribble, dribble & be selfish |
It does seem he has a pre-determined outcome when he gets the ball, not much of what he does is based on feel or reaction.
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| Outspoken wrote: | the points last night were jose, marcelo, lou, and brandon, and randle play made. these are the individuals that luke have said to be play making from the point position, as well as russell. yes, clarkson brought the ball up every now and again, though that is not his position nor asked of him. as luke stated, he's our shooting guard and provides a scoring lift off the bench - there's a reason why when people think JC plays selfish, luke thinks he had a good game. he's doing what is asked of him.
when nash taught him and was teaching him, he was the actual point, he wasn't just a scoring punch off the bench. he had a really good all around season and then was regulated to just scoring. now he has been regulated to a scoring punch off the bench. |
What a load of BS. Ingram and Randle are nowhere near being PGs, whatever you think that is in today's game. They are other position players that look to create for others as well as get their own, the exact same thing that is asked of Clarkson. The difference is that they actually do that.
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| Outspoken wrote: | the points last night were jose, marcelo, lou, and brandon, and randle play made. these are the individuals that luke have said to be play making from the point position, as well as russell. yes, brought the ball up every now and again, though that is not is position nor asked of him. as luke stated, he's there shooting guard and provides a scoring lift off the bench - there's a reason why when people think JC plays selfish, luke thinks he had a good game. he's doing what is asked of him.
when nash taught him and was teaching him, he was the actual point, he wasn't just a scoring punch off the bench. he had a really good all around season and then was regulated to just scoring. now he has been regulated to a scoring punch off the bench. |
Or maybe Luke says the right things in public and talks to Clarkson differently in private. You don't win over a team by trashing them in press conferences. hey Byron
Luke sees him as a shooting guard. I think the logical reason for that is because of his inability to see the floor and move the ball effectively. I highly doubt he made him a shooting guard and doesn't want him to move the ball. You're entire argument is ridiculous to me. There's no way Luke wants him to put his head down and try to score every time he gets the ball. That makes no sense. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | the points last night were jose, marcelo, lou, and brandon, and randle play made. these are the individuals that luke have said to be play making from the point position, as well as russell. yes, clarkson brought the ball up every now and again, though that is not his position nor asked of him. as luke stated, he's our shooting guard and provides a scoring lift off the bench - there's a reason why when people think JC plays selfish, luke thinks he had a good game. he's doing what is asked of him.
when nash taught him and was teaching him, he was the actual point, he wasn't just a scoring punch off the bench. he had a really good all around season and then was regulated to just scoring. now he has been regulated to a scoring punch off the bench. |
What a load of BS. Ingram and Randle are nowhere near being PGs, whatever you think that is in today's game. They are other position players that look to create for others as well as get their own, the exact same thing that is asked of Clarkson. The difference is that they actually do that. |
Ingram actually has played some point this year. Randle is a good example of the point you are making though. He's not a point and is probably the second best passer in the everyday rotation. |
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| the actual points are jose, russell, and marcelo; luke has even said lou for the 2nd unit, but I said luke said they (brandon and randle) are players that were gonna playmake from the point position, not actual point guards. luke has said this in multiple interviews and shows randle tapes of draymond. |
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| It's not Luke who forces JC to shoot the ball when 2 teammates are open. This is not a position issue, you don't have to be a PG to play team ball and make unselfish, winning plays. |
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| Afrosho wrote: | | It's not Luke who forces JC to shoot the ball when 2 teammates are open. This is not a position issue, you don't have to be a PG to play team ball and make unselfish, winning plays. |
Luke's whole mantra is "make the right play". There was one play where Clarkson drove and forced a shot and the camera cut to Luke telling him "you drew two, pass". |
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| Yeah I saw that scene too. |
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | DLO is the future of our franchise and he is rightfully valued alot higher then Clarkson is. DLO is being molded as a PG not JC. |
Yes, he is a higher pick, younger and has all the priority.
16.7 PTS
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16.1 PTS
4.8 AST
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The rookie numbers of the first is showing us he is clearly best suited to be a perennial 6th man while the second is the heart and soul of this team and there is no doubt he is going to be a franchise player.
When we talk about a blatant double standard it is the first example that comes into my mind. Time will tell if asking him to focus on score and play of off the ball was a good decision, but Clarkson was a very good all round prospect early in his career. |
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Any chance that Outspoken is Dave20? I'm honestly not joking, either. Striking similarities in the art of compartmentalization, the inability to meaningfully engage counter-arguments, and even grammar/writing style.
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| The Lebrons wrote: | | Afrosho wrote: | | It's not Luke who forces JC to shoot the ball when 2 teammates are open. This is not a position issue, you don't have to be a PG to play team ball and make unselfish, winning plays. |
Luke's whole mantra is "make the right play". There was one play where Clarkson drove and forced a shot and the camera cut to Luke telling him "you drew two, pass". |
Lets just say this season is about development, they have went above my expectations for this season so I'm giving these players another year or so before I request to trade them away everyone except DLO/Ingram/Nance those guys play more unselfish than the rest. |
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| nash wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | DLO is the future of our franchise and he is rightfully valued alot higher then Clarkson is. DLO is being molded as a PG not JC. |
Yes, he is a higher pick, younger and has all the priority.
16.7 PTS
5.4 AST
2.4 TO
4.6 REB
16.1 PTS
4.8 AST
3.0 TO
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The rookie numbers of the first is showing us he is clearly best suited to be a perennial 6th man while the second is the heart and soul of this team and there is no doubt he is going to be a franchise player.
When we talk about a blatant double standard it is the first example that comes into my mind. Time will tell if asking him to focus on score and play of off the ball was a good decision, but Clarkson was a very good all round prospect early in his career. |
lmao
1. Jordan Clarkson's rookie numbers are from when he was 22 years old, DLO currently is 20 years old. At the same time Clarkson was not even in the league. Age matters, I don't know why you like to conveniently ignore that.
2.DLO has improved his numbers from every angle since last year while Clarkson is going backwards in literally every catagory despite getting more minutes then DLO
It's cool that you like Clarkson, but DLO is going to be favored by the FO and coaching staff because he is the more valuable prospect and his ceiling is much higher then Clarksons. DLO in 4 years will be the same age Clarkson is right now, and DLO already has better stats and a bigger impact on the game. That's the reality. |
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| nash wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | DLO is the future of our franchise and he is rightfully valued alot higher then Clarkson is. DLO is being molded as a PG not JC. |
Yes, he is a higher pick, younger and has all the priority.
16.7 PTS
5.4 AST
2.4 TO
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4.8 AST
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The rookie numbers of the first is showing us he is clearly best suited to be a perennial 6th man while the second is the heart and soul of this team and there is no doubt he is going to be a franchise player.
When we talk about a blatant double standard it is the first example that comes into my mind. Time will tell if asking him to focus on score and play of off the ball was a good decision, but Clarkson was a very good all round prospect early in his career. |
Sigh.
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | nash wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | DLO is the future of our franchise and he is rightfully valued alot higher then Clarkson is. DLO is being molded as a PG not JC. |
Yes, he is a higher pick, younger and has all the priority.
16.7 PTS
5.4 AST
2.4 TO
4.6 REB
16.1 PTS
4.8 AST
3.0 TO
3.4 REB
The rookie numbers of the first is showing us he is clearly best suited to be a perennial 6th man while the second is the heart and soul of this team and there is no doubt he is going to be a franchise player.
When we talk about a blatant double standard it is the first example that comes into my mind. Time will tell if asking him to focus on score and play of off the ball was a good decision, but Clarkson was a very good all round prospect early in his career. |
lmao
1. Jordan Clarkson's rookie numbers are from when he was 22 years old, DLO currently is 20 years old. At the same time Clarkson was not even in the league. Age matters, I don't know why you like to conveniently ignore that.
2.DLO has improved his numbers from every angle since last year while Clarkson is going backwards in literally every catagory despite getting more minutes then DLO
It's cool that you like Clarkson, but DLO is going to be favored by the FO and coaching staff because he is the more valuable prospect and his ceiling is much higher then Clarksons. DLO in 4 years will be the same age Clarkson is right now, and DLO already has better stats and a bigger impact on the game. That's the reality. |
DLO got ice in his viens he has bad games but never loses confidence. Clarkson confidence has dipped big time it's at an all time low. He either has to pick himself up or ship out. No excuses! He has to man up and play hard and smarter. No excuses! |
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| nash wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | DLO is the future of our franchise and he is rightfully valued alot higher then Clarkson is. DLO is being molded as a PG not JC. |
Yes, he is a higher pick, younger and has all the priority.
16.7 PTS
5.4 AST
2.4 TO
4.6 REB
16.1 PTS
4.8 AST
3.0 TO
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The rookie numbers of the first is showing us he is clearly best suited to be a perennial 6th man while the second is the heart and soul of this team and there is no doubt he is going to be a franchise player.
When we talk about a blatant double standard it is the first example that comes into my mind. Time will tell if asking him to focus on score and play of off the ball was a good decision, but Clarkson was a very good all round prospect early in his career. |
This post shows that you don't understand the complaints people are sharing in this thread. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | jamison callin out JC for not contributing anything |
Good. He deserves it. This is not the JC we want.
JC in his rookie year was somehow a much better playmaker than what JC is right now. He has the tools, but he's choosing to just use the hammer. |
JC will only be rookie JC if he is moved back to point and not playing out of position as a scoring punch off the bench. some people think he threw nash's teaching out the window - when nash was teaching him, he was grooming him to play point for the future of this team. though he is not the point anymore and have been regulated as a scoring punch off the bench. when some people think he had a bad game or plays selfish, luke says he had a good game in post game interviews (minus last nights game). his true ability is being limited and he is doing what is asked of him.
if he was to be traded and the team (that he is traded to) doesn't limit him as just a scoring punch, people on the lakers would wonder why he didn't do that for us. |
I don't see how you can think Luke wants a player to just score and not move the ball. |
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