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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject:

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I'm going to sound like a hater, but he didn't play any differently than he has played in a bad game.

What I mean by this is the only difference was he made tough shots this game, compared to a game where most would crucify him for being "bad."

There were plenty of sequences where he overdribbled and iso'd into a difficult shot, but the only difference today was that he made them. I want him to be a bit more dynamic.


I assume you have went through and been critical of all of our players that played like they were the 5th or 6th best at their position in the MAC Conference before being critical of one of only two players that performed well today?


The point of the post was to show that in my opinion, Clarkson didn't really play a different game than he usually does.

The main difference was his tough shots were falling today.

So sometimes, people glance at the box score after the game and go, "bad game" or "good game" but it was just a matter of shots going in or not, not the way the player played the game.


I agree. His offense is a similar to a lot of the 6th men out there, they just create a shot for themselves when nothing else is going. When the shots are going in, it's great, but when they miss, they look like bad shots that are outside of the offense.

There have been a bunch of games where he is out there throwing up crazy shots and making them while the other teams second unit is running plays and can't get anything to fall. Times like that, a player like JC looks like a godsend.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Some ole defense tonight but a couple of nice passes for buckets.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject:

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Very efficient game by JC. Hurt his ankle in the 4th. He's getting fouled a lot but not getting the calls.


had one really dumb turnover, and when he hurt his ankle after the no foul call....it was not a smart foul....shooter was already releasing ball.....besides that 16 points on 12 shots (should have been 18 points on 11 shots) is pretty good for only 24 minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject:

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Some ole defense tonight but a couple of nice passes for buckets.


thought his defense was ok tonight....not great, but ok.....and probably better than anyone else on the roster.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject:

JC does well when his job is to score and has the greenlight and tunnel vision.

However, asking anything more is the problem. Hence, why he can't be a starter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

There was no tunnel vision tonight
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject:

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There was no tunnel vision tonight


you expect too much....actually watch and provide an honest original evaluation. Why do that when you can repeat the same boring comments about the guys you dont like?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject:

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JC does well when his job is to score and has the greenlight and tunnel vision.

However, asking anything more is the problem. Hence, why he can't be a starter.


FO made is huge mistake in signing a player like Lou. Its what JC now strives to be. Its a joke talking about development and winning and the best model of that is to sign some chucker who doesn't play much defense. Who skates by exploiting weak ass refs in these regular season games.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject:

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There was no tunnel vision tonight


you expect too much....actually watch and provide an honest original evaluation. Why do that when you can repeat the same boring comments about the guys you dont like?


Saying JC didn't have tunnel vision tonight is not liking him?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject:

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JC does well when his job is to score and has the greenlight and tunnel vision.

However, asking anything more is the problem. Hence, why he can't be a starter.


Totally disagree.

I'd argue that in January, he played with full green light a couple times and his FG% completely suffered.

But, when he spends a second to read the defense, or even use a hesitation dribble before blindly attacking, FG% skyrockets.

Same happened tonight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject:

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JC does well when his job is to score and has the greenlight and tunnel vision.

However, asking anything more is the problem. Hence, why he can't be a starter.


Totally disagree.

I'd argue that in January, he played with full green light a couple times and his FG% completely suffered.

But, when he spends a second to read the defense, or even use a hesitation dribble before blindly attacking, FG% skyrockets.

Same happened tonight.


JC had 2 assists today. I'm sure that cop out to LouWill for the long 3 counted as an assist for Jordan Clarkson. So, essentially he had 1 today.

He was looking for his own shot all day today.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject:

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There was no tunnel vision tonight


you expect too much....actually watch and provide an honest original evaluation. Why do that when you can repeat the same boring comments about the guys you dont like?


Saying JC didn't have tunnel vision tonight is not liking him?


not what I said....was saying you pointing that out is asking too much of others who just go with the common theme....tunnel vision/ball hog/etc. claim not matter what actually happens on the court that night
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject:

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JC had 2 assists today. I'm sure that cop out to LouWill for the long 3 counted as an assist for Jordan Clarkson. So, essentially he had 1 today.

He was looking for his own shot all day today.


This isn't about playmaking.

This is just reading the defense properly and taking better percentage shots.

Except for a pull up 3 in transition and maybe one other shot, I'm good with the rest of his shot selection for the rest of the night.

I don't think you're seeing what I'm seeing on the floor. He's not even using his full jets. He's just under control and the shot selection is SO MUCH better.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:40 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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There was no tunnel vision tonight


you expect too much....actually watch and provide an honest original evaluation. Why do that when you can repeat the same boring comments about the guys you dont like?


Saying JC didn't have tunnel vision tonight is not liking him?


not what I said....was saying you pointing that out is asking too much of others who just go with the common theme....tunnel vision/ball hog/etc. claim not matter what actually happens on the court that night


Maybe re-read what I posted, you seem to have misunderstood. And I was a fan of JC at Mizzou and very excited when we drafted him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject:

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adkindo wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
There was no tunnel vision tonight


you expect too much....actually watch and provide an honest original evaluation. Why do that when you can repeat the same boring comments about the guys you dont like?


Saying JC didn't have tunnel vision tonight is not liking him?


not what I said....was saying you pointing that out is asking too much of others who just go with the common theme....tunnel vision/ball hog/etc. claim not matter what actually happens on the court that night


Maybe re-read what I posted, you seem to have misunderstood. And I was a fan of JC at Mizzou and very excited when we drafted him.


I think we are talking past each other....you pointed out to someone that JC did not have tunnel vision tonight.....and I said you expect too much of people if you expect them to recognize when he does and does not....I was agreeing with you?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:45 pm    Post subject:

Now it is clear, I see where you were going, it was me who misunderstood. I love me some JC, but you are right, some here do not for whatever reason.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:46 pm    Post subject:

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JC does well when his job is to score and has the greenlight and tunnel vision.

However, asking anything more is the problem. Hence, why he can't be a starter.


Totally disagree.

I'd argue that in January, he played with full green light a couple times and his FG% completely suffered.

But, when he spends a second to read the defense, or even use a hesitation dribble before blindly attacking, FG% skyrockets.

Same happened tonight.


JC had 2 assists today. I'm sure that cop out to LouWill for the long 3 counted as an assist for Jordan Clarkson. So, essentially he had 1 today.

He was looking for his own shot all day today.


so just your honest evaluation? nothing against JC?

your first post on LG

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How would you guys rate our guards this year?

For me, it's Louwill., Nick Young, Russell and Jordan clarkson last. (Based on this season).


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Think we can get back a mid first round pick for jc
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
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JC does well when his job is to score and has the greenlight and tunnel vision.

However, asking anything more is the problem. Hence, why he can't be a starter.


Totally disagree.

I'd argue that in January, he played with full green light a couple times and his FG% completely suffered.

But, when he spends a second to read the defense, or even use a hesitation dribble before blindly attacking, FG% skyrockets.

Same happened tonight.


JC had 2 assists today. I'm sure that cop out to LouWill for the long 3 counted as an assist for Jordan Clarkson. So, essentially he had 1 today.

He was looking for his own shot all day today.


so just your honest evaluation? nothing against JC?

your first post on LG

Quote:
How would you guys rate our guards this year?

For me, it's Louwill., Nick Young, Russell and Jordan clarkson last. (Based on this season).


and the 2nd

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Think we can get back a mid first round pick for jc


YEAP. DLO is my favorite player, SO IF I WAS BIAS like some of you guys, I would of rated him first....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:55 pm    Post subject:



2:20 - Goes to open space. 15'
2:29 - Gets the pass, uses half speed, gets the layup And 1.
4:07 - Pushes in transition, slows down when he absorbs the contact, gets the layup



2:04 - Uses the screen for an open J
2:30 - Sets up Zubac for the assist
3:00 - Reject screen, sees opening, attacks
3:30 - Overdribbling, has forced issue in past, but gave it up and passed.
4:08 - Just goes straight to the rim on the offensive rebound
4:18 - Uses a second, doesn't use a screen, attacks


These aren't the blind quick attacks of two months ago. Yes, he hurt his ankle in the 2nd half, but these aren't full jet JC on drives either. Under MUCH MUCH more control.

Result? 7/12 from the field.

In fact, look after his Christmas day. The assists don't necessarily go up, but the changes in FG% are directly affected.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkjo01/gamelog/2017

Right after Christmas too. You even see his hiccup games of gross FG%, when he's been attacking blindly. Notice how his total shot volume has dropped dramatically in contrast to November/December.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject:

Jordan Clarkson, Tarik Black both sprain ankles


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As if Sunday night’s loss to the Detroit Pistons wasn’t painful enough, the Los Angeles Lakers now have a pair of guys with two healthy ankles between them. Jordan Clarkson and Tarik Black both sprained their ankles in the action, though both did sound hopeful about their chances at playing when the Lakers face the Denver Nuggets Tuesday night.


http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/1/16/14283666/la-lakers-injury-news-jordan-clarkson-tarik-black-sprain-ankles-larry-nance-jr
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject:

Great game by JC and finally got 35 minutes. 19/3/2 and was +10. I also like how he got Zubac involved offensively. He has great chemistry with Ingram and Zubac.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject:

One thing I noticed from the last two games (DET & DEN) is that Clarkson and Zubac appear to have good P&R chemistry. Zu's screens get JC good separation, and JC finds Zu when the defense over-commits to him freeing Zu for the cut. It probably helps that Zu's mid range shot looks solid too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject:

Dave20 wrote:
Great game by JC and finally got 35 minutes. 19/3/2 and was +10. I also like how he got Zubac involved offensively. He has great chemistry with Ingram and Zubac.


Lol. He did okay. Not great. How about his horrible defense and shot selection?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject:

JC was good tonight, he was below average defensively but with that limp I think he just couldn't move laterally very well. And already some P&R chemistry with Zubac.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:32 pm    Post subject:

Hey, he stepped up tonight! Still not a huge fan of his shot selection and made some dummy mistakes, but he was big for the team regardless.
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