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10scott10 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.
The teams Per 36 minute stats:
Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER |
Now here is his numbers compared to a number of all-star or potential all-star guards (all numbers per/36)
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Player PTS TRB AST FG% 2P% 3P% FT% STL BLK TOV
D'Angelo Russell 27.1 6.1 7.4 0.463 0.535 0.295 0.683 1.3 0.2 5.2
Devin Booker 25.7 4.8 4.3 0.453 0.490 0.383 0.870 1.0 0.3 3.3
Damian Lillard 25.4 5.0 6.1 0.424 0.477 0.350 0.928 0.9 0.5 3.0
Victor Oladipo 25.4 5.7 4.2 0.482 0.503 0.439 0.766 2.0 1.2 3.6
Bradley Beal 24.6 4.1 3.4 0.462 0.511 0.366 0.797 1.1 0.5 2.6
DeMar DeRozan 24.5 4.8 5.1 0.475 0.512 0.267 0.826 1.4 0.2 2.8
Jordan Clarkson 24.1 4.6 4.7 0.485 0.533 0.371 0.776 1.1 0.0 3.0
Kemba Walker 23.1 3.7 6.2 0.434 0.489 0.353 0.870 0.8 0.3 2.0
Russell Westbrook 22.8 9.3 9.9 0.393 0.429 0.309 0.714 2.0 0.1 4.8
Jimmy Butler 18.4 5.3 4.6 0.453 0.477 0.365 0.843 1.8 0.3 2.0
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Jordan?
I'm on the "No-Cousins" wagon. |
right here next to you |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Jordan Clarkson continues to produce off the bench
Quote: | "Clarkson, who hasn’t started a game this season, has nevertheless scored at least 15 points in 16 games, the highest total as a sub in the NBA. Tyreke Evans ranks second with 13 games of 15 or more points off the bench." |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | Jordan?
I'm on the "No-Cousins" wagon. |
right here next to you |
For better or worse I think Magic and the FO like their big men and he’s the best FA center warts and all. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | For better or worse I think Magic and the FO like their big men |
based on? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | For better or worse I think Magic and the FO like their big men |
based on? |
My own opinion. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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ok, thought you were saying it was the opinion or preference of Magic and the FO |
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warrenpeace Sixth Man
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.
The teams Per 36 minute stats:
Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER | Someone needs to show this to that Chowder head (Luke). |
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Andre2K Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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warrenpeace wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.
The teams Per 36 minute stats:
Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER | Someone needs to show this to that Chowder head (Luke). |
Like its going to change anything _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Pg Lonzo
Sg Kawhi
Sf Ingram
Pf Lebron
C Dedmon
Bench: Caruso, Hart, Bullock, Kuzma, McGee etc |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Andre2K wrote: | warrenpeace wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.
The teams Per 36 minute stats:
Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER | Someone needs to show this to that Chowder head (Luke). |
Like its going to change anything |
Yea. Let's run pick and roll all game long. Fun times
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:00 am Post subject: |
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10scott10 wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.
The teams Per 36 minute stats:
Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER |
Now here is his numbers compared to a number of all-star or potential all-star guards (all numbers per/36)
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Player PTS TRB AST FG% 2P% 3P% FT% STL BLK TOV
D'Angelo Russell 27.1 6.1 7.4 0.463 0.535 0.295 0.683 1.3 0.2 5.2
Devin Booker 25.7 4.8 4.3 0.453 0.490 0.383 0.870 1.0 0.3 3.3
Damian Lillard 25.4 5.0 6.1 0.424 0.477 0.350 0.928 0.9 0.5 3.0
Victor Oladipo 25.4 5.7 4.2 0.482 0.503 0.439 0.766 2.0 1.2 3.6
Bradley Beal 24.6 4.1 3.4 0.462 0.511 0.366 0.797 1.1 0.5 2.6
DeMar DeRozan 24.5 4.8 5.1 0.475 0.512 0.267 0.826 1.4 0.2 2.8
Jordan Clarkson 24.1 4.6 4.7 0.485 0.533 0.371 0.776 1.1 0.0 3.0
Kemba Walker 23.1 3.7 6.2 0.434 0.489 0.353 0.870 0.8 0.3 2.0
Russell Westbrook 22.8 9.3 9.9 0.393 0.429 0.309 0.714 2.0 0.1 4.8
Jimmy Butler 18.4 5.3 4.6 0.453 0.477 0.365 0.843 1.8 0.3 2.0
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You have to be careful with 36 minute projections. There are a lot of guys who played limited numbers, had great projections, but the projections didn't hold up when they played more minutes. Sometimes less is more. |
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cooleggs Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:32 am Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | 10scott10 wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.
The teams Per 36 minute stats:
Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER |
Now here is his numbers compared to a number of all-star or potential all-star guards (all numbers per/36)
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Player PTS TRB AST FG% 2P% 3P% FT% STL BLK TOV
D'Angelo Russell 27.1 6.1 7.4 0.463 0.535 0.295 0.683 1.3 0.2 5.2
Devin Booker 25.7 4.8 4.3 0.453 0.490 0.383 0.870 1.0 0.3 3.3
Damian Lillard 25.4 5.0 6.1 0.424 0.477 0.350 0.928 0.9 0.5 3.0
Victor Oladipo 25.4 5.7 4.2 0.482 0.503 0.439 0.766 2.0 1.2 3.6
Bradley Beal 24.6 4.1 3.4 0.462 0.511 0.366 0.797 1.1 0.5 2.6
DeMar DeRozan 24.5 4.8 5.1 0.475 0.512 0.267 0.826 1.4 0.2 2.8
Jordan Clarkson 24.1 4.6 4.7 0.485 0.533 0.371 0.776 1.1 0.0 3.0
Kemba Walker 23.1 3.7 6.2 0.434 0.489 0.353 0.870 0.8 0.3 2.0
Russell Westbrook 22.8 9.3 9.9 0.393 0.429 0.309 0.714 2.0 0.1 4.8
Jimmy Butler 18.4 5.3 4.6 0.453 0.477 0.365 0.843 1.8 0.3 2.0
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You have to be careful with 36 minute projections. There are a lot of guys who played limited numbers, had great projections, but the projections didn't hold up when they played more minutes. Sometimes less is more. |
And sometimes more is more. |
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Daphanabe Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Jordan?
I'm on the "No-Cousins" wagon. |
Mike - Is it more his game, or his (potential) character issues? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I think a bump in minutes for JC is fine. I don't think his effectiveness is the same when he plays 35+ mpg. I really do think he is more focused in more limited minutes. The problem is his minutes are a bit too limited. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Loved that unselfish pass by JC to Jules in transition. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Loved that unselfish pass by JC to Jules in transition. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I love his buckets. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time. |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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JC should've closed out the game in OT. We desperately needed his offense down the stretch.
JC has grown on me this year. He's playing way better than I thought he would. His efficiency scoring the ball has been tremendous. Give him more minutes. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:45 am Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time. |
who sitting out tho, KCP? BI? Kuzma? Randle? |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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governator wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time. |
who sitting out tho, KCP? BI? Kuzma? Randle? |
well last night it should have been BI no question _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:19 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time. |
who sitting out tho, KCP? BI? Kuzma? Randle? |
Whoever isn’t performing that night. Kuzma against Philly, Ingram against NY. #coaching #rotations |
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I’ve come back around to the idea that the first round picks currently at the Lakers’ disposal should be enough to offload Deng, thus trading Clarkson for an additional pick won’t be necessary, IMO. |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | I’ve come back around to the idea that the first round picks currently at the Lakers’ disposal should be enough to offload Deng, thus trading Clarkson for an additional pick won’t be necessary, IMO. |
I'm hoping 1st+Nance+Zu should be enough to dump Deng *if needed* (2 max guys agree to come) _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm hoping 1st+Nance+Zu should be enough to dump Deng *if needed* (2 max guys agree to come) |
Billy King is no longer in control...and I do not even think Billy King picks up the phone for that call. |
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