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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:22 pm    Post subject:

J.C. Smith wrote:
Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.

The teams Per 36 minute stats:

Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER


Now here is his numbers compared to a number of all-star or potential all-star guards (all numbers per/36)

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Player             PTS    TRB   AST   FG%     2P%     3P%     FT%     STL   BLK   TOV
D'Angelo Russell   27.1   6.1   7.4   0.463   0.535   0.295   0.683   1.3   0.2   5.2
Devin Booker       25.7   4.8   4.3   0.453   0.490   0.383   0.870   1.0   0.3   3.3
Damian Lillard     25.4   5.0   6.1   0.424   0.477   0.350   0.928   0.9   0.5   3.0
Victor Oladipo     25.4   5.7   4.2   0.482   0.503   0.439   0.766   2.0   1.2   3.6
Bradley Beal       24.6   4.1   3.4   0.462   0.511   0.366   0.797   1.1   0.5   2.6
DeMar DeRozan      24.5   4.8   5.1   0.475   0.512   0.267   0.826   1.4   0.2   2.8
Jordan Clarkson    24.1   4.6   4.7   0.485   0.533   0.371   0.776   1.1   0.0   3.0
Kemba Walker       23.1   3.7   6.2   0.434   0.489   0.353   0.870   0.8   0.3   2.0
Russell Westbrook  22.8   9.3   9.9   0.393   0.429   0.309   0.714   2.0   0.1   4.8
Jimmy Butler       18.4   5.3   4.6   0.453   0.477   0.365   0.843   1.8   0.3   2.0
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject:

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Jordan?

I'm on the "No-Cousins" wagon.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject:

Jordan Clarkson continues to produce off the bench

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"Clarkson, who hasn’t started a game this season, has nevertheless scored at least 15 points in 16 games, the highest total as a sub in the NBA. Tyreke Evans ranks second with 13 games of 15 or more points off the bench."


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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Jordan?

I'm on the "No-Cousins" wagon.


right here next to you


For better or worse I think Magic and the FO like their big men and he’s the best FA center warts and all.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:00 pm    Post subject:

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For better or worse I think Magic and the FO like their big men


based on?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
For better or worse I think Magic and the FO like their big men


based on?


My own opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject:

ok, thought you were saying it was the opinion or preference of Magic and the FO
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject:

J.C. Smith wrote:
Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.

The teams Per 36 minute stats:

Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER
Someone needs to show this to that Chowder head (Luke).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject:

warrenpeace wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.

The teams Per 36 minute stats:

Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER
Someone needs to show this to that Chowder head (Luke).


Like its going to change anything
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:13 pm    Post subject:

Andre2K wrote:
warrenpeace wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.

The teams Per 36 minute stats:

Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER
Someone needs to show this to that Chowder head (Luke).


Like its going to change anything


Yea. Let's run pick and roll all game long. Fun times
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:00 am    Post subject:

10scott10 wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.

The teams Per 36 minute stats:

Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER


Now here is his numbers compared to a number of all-star or potential all-star guards (all numbers per/36)

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Player             PTS    TRB   AST   FG%     2P%     3P%     FT%     STL   BLK   TOV
D'Angelo Russell   27.1   6.1   7.4   0.463   0.535   0.295   0.683   1.3   0.2   5.2
Devin Booker       25.7   4.8   4.3   0.453   0.490   0.383   0.870   1.0   0.3   3.3
Damian Lillard     25.4   5.0   6.1   0.424   0.477   0.350   0.928   0.9   0.5   3.0
Victor Oladipo     25.4   5.7   4.2   0.482   0.503   0.439   0.766   2.0   1.2   3.6
Bradley Beal       24.6   4.1   3.4   0.462   0.511   0.366   0.797   1.1   0.5   2.6
DeMar DeRozan      24.5   4.8   5.1   0.475   0.512   0.267   0.826   1.4   0.2   2.8
Jordan Clarkson    24.1   4.6   4.7   0.485   0.533   0.371   0.776   1.1   0.0   3.0
Kemba Walker       23.1   3.7   6.2   0.434   0.489   0.353   0.870   0.8   0.3   2.0
Russell Westbrook  22.8   9.3   9.9   0.393   0.429   0.309   0.714   2.0   0.1   4.8
Jimmy Butler       18.4   5.3   4.6   0.453   0.477   0.365   0.843   1.8   0.3   2.0


You have to be careful with 36 minute projections. There are a lot of guys who played limited numbers, had great projections, but the projections didn't hold up when they played more minutes. Sometimes less is more.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:32 am    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
10scott10 wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
Yeah both of those guys need more minutes. Randle has started to get more but would like to see them find some more minutes for Clarkson.

The teams Per 36 minute stats:

Clarkson: 24.1 points (48.5% fg, 37.1% 3p), 4.7 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1.1 steals, -1.1 Net Rating, 19.1 PER
Lopez: 20.8 points (44.6% fg, 30.7% 3p), 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.6 blocks, -2 Net Rating, 17.1 PER
Randle: 19.9 points (55.1% fg, 20.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, +1.7 Net Rating, 17 PER
Kuzma: 18.9 points (49.2% fg, 36.5% 3p), 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks, -2.4 Net Rating, 15.2 PER
Ingram: 17.3 points (45.3% fg, 31.7% 3p), 5.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, -4.7 Net Rating, 12.5 PER
KCP: 14.4 points (41.8% fg, 36.8% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.8 stelas, 0.3 blocks, -2.5 Net Rating, 12.4 PER
Nance: 14.2 points (58.3% fg, 0% 3p), 10.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 0.9 blocks, -8.6 Net Rating, 18 PER
Lonzo: 9.4 points (32.1% fg, 24.6% 3p), 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks, -4.3 Net Rating, 10.5 PER


Now here is his numbers compared to a number of all-star or potential all-star guards (all numbers per/36)

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Player             PTS    TRB   AST   FG%     2P%     3P%     FT%     STL   BLK   TOV
D'Angelo Russell   27.1   6.1   7.4   0.463   0.535   0.295   0.683   1.3   0.2   5.2
Devin Booker       25.7   4.8   4.3   0.453   0.490   0.383   0.870   1.0   0.3   3.3
Damian Lillard     25.4   5.0   6.1   0.424   0.477   0.350   0.928   0.9   0.5   3.0
Victor Oladipo     25.4   5.7   4.2   0.482   0.503   0.439   0.766   2.0   1.2   3.6
Bradley Beal       24.6   4.1   3.4   0.462   0.511   0.366   0.797   1.1   0.5   2.6
DeMar DeRozan      24.5   4.8   5.1   0.475   0.512   0.267   0.826   1.4   0.2   2.8
Jordan Clarkson    24.1   4.6   4.7   0.485   0.533   0.371   0.776   1.1   0.0   3.0
Kemba Walker       23.1   3.7   6.2   0.434   0.489   0.353   0.870   0.8   0.3   2.0
Russell Westbrook  22.8   9.3   9.9   0.393   0.429   0.309   0.714   2.0   0.1   4.8
Jimmy Butler       18.4   5.3   4.6   0.453   0.477   0.365   0.843   1.8   0.3   2.0


You have to be careful with 36 minute projections. There are a lot of guys who played limited numbers, had great projections, but the projections didn't hold up when they played more minutes. Sometimes less is more.


And sometimes more is more.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:14 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Jordan?

I'm on the "No-Cousins" wagon.


Mike - Is it more his game, or his (potential) character issues?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:12 am    Post subject:

I think a bump in minutes for JC is fine. I don't think his effectiveness is the same when he plays 35+ mpg. I really do think he is more focused in more limited minutes. The problem is his minutes are a bit too limited.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:51 pm    Post subject:

Loved that unselfish pass by JC to Jules in transition.
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Loved that unselfish pass by JC to Jules in transition.
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I love his buckets.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject:

Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject:

JC should've closed out the game in OT. We desperately needed his offense down the stretch.

JC has grown on me this year. He's playing way better than I thought he would. His efficiency scoring the ball has been tremendous. Give him more minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject:

LakerLogic wrote:
Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time.


who sitting out tho, KCP? BI? Kuzma? Randle?
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governator wrote:
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Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time.


who sitting out tho, KCP? BI? Kuzma? Randle?


well last night it should have been BI no question
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:19 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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Should play him next to Lonzo in crunch time.


who sitting out tho, KCP? BI? Kuzma? Randle?


Whoever isn’t performing that night. Kuzma against Philly, Ingram against NY. #coaching #rotations
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I’ve come back around to the idea that the first round picks currently at the Lakers’ disposal should be enough to offload Deng, thus trading Clarkson for an additional pick won’t be necessary, IMO.
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I’ve come back around to the idea that the first round picks currently at the Lakers’ disposal should be enough to offload Deng, thus trading Clarkson for an additional pick won’t be necessary, IMO.


I'm hoping 1st+Nance+Zu should be enough to dump Deng *if needed* (2 max guys agree to come)
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dcarter4kobe wrote:
I'm hoping 1st+Nance+Zu should be enough to dump Deng *if needed* (2 max guys agree to come)


Billy King is no longer in control...and I do not even think Billy King picks up the phone for that call.
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