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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:13 am Post subject:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
I saw this name earlier but B.Roy is the player Clarkson most resembles. I'm literally at shock looking at B.Roy and Clarkson's numbers as a starter both as a rookie. They are basically the same and unlike most rookies we compare Clarkson to, Roy was 22 also
Based on what I remember of Roy that isn't a half-bad comparison. Roy had a higher release but they kind of shoot similarly too.
I saw this name earlier but B.Roy is the player Clarkson most resembles. I'm literally at shock looking at B.Roy and Clarkson's numbers as a starter both as a rookie. They are basically the same and unlike most rookies we compare Clarkson to, Roy was 22 also
B Roy wasn't as fast. Russell compares to him. Clarkson is more Parker/Ellis the way he plays.
I don't see the concern about his knees. Dude's 185. I doubt risk of knee damage for an athlete goes up that much as he approaches 200lbs, considering all the large majority of pros who weigh much more than that on basically the same knee size & design. It's not like we're having a Bynum or Shaq-scale conversation here.
Now speed and agility? That's another issue.
Remember that season Kobe bulked up? I think like '02-'03? That's what I don't want.
He can put on a little more muscle to his frame. I just don't want him adding a ton
It was 04-05, the first year post-shaq/phil. He ended up getting injured that year.
Still though, JC is much much lighter than Kobe during those years.
No, it was 02/03 that he first bulked up. He lost all the weight the following off season with the knee surgery and Colorado. He bulked back up in 04/05, but Phil wanted him to be more lean when he returned in 05/06 and he has been roughly the same weight since.
I saw this name earlier but B.Roy is the player Clarkson most resembles. I'm literally at shock looking at B.Roy and Clarkson's numbers as a starter both as a rookie. They are basically the same and unlike most rookies we compare Clarkson to, Roy was 22 also
B Roy wasn't as fast. Russell compares to him. Clarkson is more Parker/Ellis the way he plays.
Agree to a large extent. Clarkson is faster with the ball than most guys without it (a la Parker) so he gets separation by strategically using that advantage. His growth in terms of when and how to use that advantage as well as the decision making once he gets separation was the revelation this season. This year he showed the ability to do that play by play. The next level is to learn to manage that for an entire game, then ultimately, for the season in so far as keeping his teammates involved and managing the team. Nobody, I mean NOBODY better to teach him those things than Nash.
Roy wasn't nearly as fast, but was way more physical and could play shoulder-to-shoulder against defenders. Chris Paul is the perfect example of when a player can use both speed and strength to gain separation. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
It's hard to say he plays like this guy or that guy bcuz a near 6'5 PG with his athleticm is rare. Of course of course right. Game wise, I see a the most Tony parker I think. People say he doesn't have the quickness but the blow by's like at 1:45+ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cu_HOKSj1k8# I see elite quickness. Once his handle tightens up we'll see those type of 1v1 blow by's more; he got Marcus Smart with two of those lol. His mid range game for a PG reminds me of Parker although his jumper resembles Monta's jumper form wise. His floaters remind me of both of those guys.
I do see BRoy reincarnated in the way he pushes off and then shoots the mid range J. BRoy had them pushoffs. Clarkson pushes off so much lmao.
Still amazed at how Clarkson's (as a starter) and Roy's rookie numbers are identical and both were 22 _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
OK so um, am I looking at a "lucky not to be stolen" pass or a laser like pass that had so much zip and accuracy on it that there was no real chance for it to be stolen? Either way, DAMN.
_________________ A key that has the ability to unlock many locks is a master key. But a lock that can be opened with any key is useless.
Rodney Hood won April ROM over Clarkson, Wiggins, and Lavine
Almost forgotten about Hood. Iirc Mike was pretty keen on him. He ended up in Utah or some such right? _________________ A key that has the ability to unlock many locks is a master key. But a lock that can be opened with any key is useless.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:54 pm Post subject:
dmills wrote:
rybee wrote:
Rodney Hood won April ROM over Clarkson, Wiggins, and Lavine
Almost forgotten about Hood. Iirc Mike was pretty keen on him. He ended up in Utah or some such right?
I wanted to trade our 1st and 2nd round pick to land two mid first rounders last draft. I wanted Lavine and Hood.
Love Hood. Shoots well from 3, see's over the defense with his 6'8-6-9' size, and makes smart plays via the pass or shot.
Didn't watch him much this year. I had my eye on him to start the season. He was buried on the bench. Maybe that Kanter trade opened up time for him in the rotation. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Rodney Hood won April ROM over Clarkson, Wiggins, and Lavine
Almost forgotten about Hood. Iirc Mike was pretty keen on him. He ended up in Utah or some such right?
I wanted to trade our 1st and 2nd round pick to land two mid first rounders last draft. I wanted Lavine and Hood.
Love Hood. Shoots well from 3, see's over the defense with his 6'8-6-9' size, and makes smart plays via the pass or shot.
Didn't watch him much this year. I had my eye on him to start the season. He was buried on the bench. Maybe that Kanter trade opened up time for him in the rotation.
He was underrated skill wise last year. He really was pretty good off the dribble, and a good shooter. Decent vision/passer. At 6-8 !Obviously better player than James Young and Gary Harris, I was shocked they were taken before him. MikeLG was first in his corner last year.
people have compared jordan clarkson to tony parker, russell westbrook, monta ellis, and now brandon roy; that should tell you that he is jordan clarkson and people are reaching for a comparison, rather than seeing him as his own player.
can we stop these comparison's?
I mean, in the words of jordan clarkson "that's a great compliment, but I kinda wanna be my own player."
OK so um, am I looking at a "lucky not to be stolen" pass or a laser like pass that had so much zip and accuracy on it that there was no real chance for it to be stolen? Either way, DAMN.
Heh. Lucky not to be stolen. He had some great passes that game, right on the mark, perfectly placed to teammates, but that was lucky it wasn't a dunk the other way.
OK so um, am I looking at a "lucky not to be stolen" pass or a laser like pass that had so much zip and accuracy on it that there was no real chance for it to be stolen? Either way, DAMN.
Heh. Lucky not to be stolen. He had some great passes that game, right on the mark, perfectly placed to teammates, but that was lucky it wasn't a dunk the other way.
I don't know DB. Looking at it repeatedly, the player tried to get after it but his anticipation was off by a split second lol. I don't think he had a real chance at it.
Here it is in slow motion. It was almost like a curve ball lol.
_________________ A key that has the ability to unlock many locks is a master key. But a lock that can be opened with any key is useless.
I think LaVine half committed, then lunged. Had he not hesitated, that should have been his. Still cracks me up that it even got over there and past him. I almost wanted to subtract that assist from Clarkson's total, lol. I do think he adjusted that kickout some because of the D, though, all his others were spot on.
people have compared jordan clarkson to tony parker, russell westbrook, monta ellis, and now brandon roy; that should tell you that he is jordan clarkson and people are reaching for a comparison, rather than seeing him as his own player.
can we stop these comparison's?
I mean, in the words of jordan clarkson "that's a great compliment, but I kinda wanna be my own player."
I hate this self-righteous speech.. you act as if comparing him to great players is some sort of insult to him. People compare him because they want to see how he will pan out.
Monta Ellis with a better court vision, passing ability and a jumper. Finishes around the rim like Tony Parker though. Wouldn't be shocked he flirts with a few 50/40/90 seasons. _________________ A key that has the ability to unlock many locks is a master key. But a lock that can be opened with any key is useless.
Monta Ellis with a better court vision, passing ability and a jumper. Finishes around the rim like Tony Parker though. Wouldn't be shocked he flirts with a few 50/40/90 seasons.
That's Steph Curry/Steve Nash good. I like him a lot, but I'm not sure he's a pure enough shooter to flirt with those numbers.
people have compared jordan clarkson to tony parker, russell westbrook, monta ellis, and now brandon roy; that should tell you that he is jordan clarkson and people are reaching for a comparison, rather than seeing him as his own player.
can we stop these comparison's?
I mean, in the words of jordan clarkson "that's a great compliment, but I kinda wanna be my own player."
I hate this self-righteous speech.. you act as if comparing him to great players is some sort of insult to him. People compare him because they want to see how he will pan out.
1st of all, it's not a speech. 2ndly it's not being self righteous. 3rd, I'm not "acting" like anything. You're letting your assumptions get the best of you. Did you not read the quote from Jordan Clarkson I posted? If so, I don't get how you feel I would think the comparisons are an insult. Next time ask me any question you want and I may or may not answer it, but don't assume.
Do you have any other ignorant (by definition) statements you would like to make or would you like to have a more productive conversation?
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