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| watchME wrote: | | whos better lavine or clarkson |
They looked about even in spl but I give the edge to clarkson for mentality. Should be a fun rivalry for some years to come  |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| watchME wrote: | | whos better lavine or clarkson |
Clarkson. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| There may be some bias here because Lavine seems to have his best performances against us. His rookie year wasn't all that great, and I'm not sure what he does when he's not hot from outside. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | There may be some bias here because Lavine seems to have his best performances against us. His rookie year wasn't all that great, and I'm not sure what he does when he's not hot from outside. |
Rich man's Austin Rivers? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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As far as play during actual nba games Clarkson is better, though he is older than Lavine.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| watchME wrote: | | whos better lavine or clarkson |
Clarkson is better and more polished right now, but Lavine has as much or more potential |
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Lavine has not shown the versatility that Clarkson has. He shoots 3s and dunks.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | Lavine has not shown the versatility that Clarkson has. He shoots 3s and dunks. |
Sounds like an analytic guy's dream prospect
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| Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Not a slump per se, but getting lost in terms of role. Now he has Kobe, DLO, Randle, even Lou/Hibbert/Bass to feed. Not sure if he will succeed by trying to score all the time. You may see him in the 16/5/5 territory this year because there are more scoring options and mouths to feed.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Not a slump per se, but getting lost in terms of role. Now he has Kobe, DLO, Randle, even Lou/Hibbert/Bass to feed. Not sure if he will succeed by trying to score all the time. You may see him in the 16/5/5 territory this year because there are more scoring options and mouths to feed. |
Reading about all the work he put in the offseason, and seeing the results over the summer, I'm not really worried about Clarkson. Even if his box score stats are down, he should be a much improved player overall. |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Not a slump per se, but getting lost in terms of role. Now he has Kobe, DLO, Randle, even Lou/Hibbert/Bass to feed. Not sure if he will succeed by trying to score all the time. You may see him in the 16/5/5 territory this year because there are more scoring options and mouths to feed. |
Reading about all the work he put in the offseason, and seeing the results over the summer, I'm not really worried about Clarkson. Even if his box score stats are down, he should be a much improved player overall. |
Exactly. I'm saying he's going to have learn to be a PG/SG this year, and unlike last year, work with other scoring options. He won't have to worry about passing to Wes Johnson or watching Jordan Hill clank mid range shot after mid range shot.
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Not a slump per se, but getting lost in terms of role. Now he has Kobe, DLO, Randle, even Lou/Hibbert/Bass to feed. Not sure if he will succeed by trying to score all the time. You may see him in the 16/5/5 territory this year because there are more scoring options and mouths to feed. |
Reading about all the work he put in the offseason, and seeing the results over the summer, I'm not really worried about Clarkson. Even if his box score stats are down, he should be a much improved player overall. |
I'm going to go out a somewhat of a limb here... he'll be our best player outside Kobe. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Nope.
He will average 20 PPG this year. Book it. 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Nope.
He will average 20 PPG this year. Book it. |
Just guesses:
Kobe: 19 ppg
Clarkson: 16.5 ppg
DLO: 10.5 ppg
Randle: 12.5 ppg
Hibbert: 11 ppg
Bass: 8.5 ppg
Lou: 13.5 ppg
Young: 9.5 ppg
That's 101 ppg right there not including the bench, so I'm overshooting already. I think it'll be tough for Jordan to average 20 ppg unless Kobe is basically out again.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
Nope.
He will average 20 PPG this year. Book it. |
Just guesses:
Kobe: 19 ppg
Clarkson: 16.5 ppg
DLO: 10.5 ppg
Randle: 12.5 ppg
Hibbert: 11 ppg
Bass: 8.5 ppg
Lou: 13.5 ppg
Young: 9.5 ppg
That's 101 ppg right there not including the bench, so I'm overshooting already. I think it'll be tough for Jordan to average 20 ppg unless Kobe is basically out again. |
My guess is Nick Young and Bass don't average that many points. And Hibbert being a 8 PPG kinda guy this year.
Clarkson can do it.
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I think Bass will get solid minutes and Young, well, if he plays, could get more than that a game. I think we will see a more all around game from Clarkson that belies the overall stats.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Anybody else worried about a sophomore slump next year from clarkson? He finished the year great but nobody had seen him play significant minutes until January. I'm worried teams will make adjustments to make things harder for him this year. Hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening. Thoughts? |
It sort of depends on what you mean. Jordan post allstar -
MPG: 32, (36 in April)
FGA: 14, (16 in April)
FG%: 48%
3F%: 31% (@ 21% of his shot selection)
He's not going to get that many shots, but hopefully his efficiency will go up if the reduced shot count is accompanied by good shot selection. Good candidate for the D-Wade "shoot a little, score a lot" title, especially since he doesn't leave any points at the line. And if he improves to a 36% 3FG%, his offensive efficiency is going to be very high.
Reduced minutes, FGAs, PPG, but hopefully increased efficiency. Better ability to fight through screens and general defensive improvement. That's what I'm looking for from Jordan. |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | There may be some bias here because Lavine seems to have his best performances against us. His rookie year wasn't all that great, and I'm not sure what he does when he's not hot from outside. |
If I were Minny, I'd try to sell high with Lavine. To me, he appears to be a chucker that only wants to score from distance or the occasional breakaway dunk. Doesn't really create for anyone else and seems pretty inactive without the ball in his hands. Plus he seems like he thinks he's better than what he is.
I think after watching the way the Minny organization has treated their youngsters (the intrasquad game prior to SPL and the way Sam Mitchell talked about them during their game with the Lakers in Vegas) their team has a chance to implode because they are really big fish in a very small pond being treated like something more than what they've yet to become. And I think Lavine is the one that's got the biggest chance of messing up the chemistry.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I think Bass will get solid minutes |
I think he'll start for the bulk of the season. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Bass is one of those unsexy, highly underrated signings that pay much bigger dividends than expected. |
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| I don't know if Clarkson will have a sophomore slump, but I think his role is gonna be a lot different. He was pretty much "the man" on not just a God awful team, but one with a lot of guys that didn't really have the ball in their hands a ton. Enter Kobe, Russell, Randle, & Williams, and it's gonna a totally different experience for him. I think he'll find his place, but it's gonna look different than last year for sure. |
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| 24 wrote: | | Bass is one of those unsexy, highly underrated signings that pay much bigger dividends than expected. |
Yup. A better rounded version of what Boozer was theoretically supposed to do for Randle. Be a mentor, but not be an overall net negative on both sides of the ball. Wish we had him for more than 1 year (player option year 2).
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| kikanga wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | Lavine has not shown the versatility that Clarkson has. He shoots 3s and dunks. |
Sounds like an analytic guy's dream prospect |
Except he doesn't hit the 3 with any regularity and can only dunk on the break or fed with a lane to the rim. |
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