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Roon Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | Roon wrote: | governator wrote: | Lakerpark wrote: | If the Lakers are going to play Golden State style ball, they need good 3 pt shooters.
Do you guys consider Jordan Clarkson a good three point shooter?
Do you think he can improve his 3 ball much more?
This past season, he seemed to have improved his 3 from his rookie season but he seemed inconsistent.
there were games where he would get like 3 or 4 3 pointers in a row in the first quarter the cool off the rest of the game. |
yes, he definitely has the potential. The only thing is that out of the 3 young guys (Nance is a back up at this point), Russell is the better PG of the 2 and Randle solidifies himself at the 4. JC then has to play the 2 which he is a little undersized
JC is the most expendable trade chip we have and I won't be surprised if Lakers move him for a vet star |
Why would anyone trade a vet star for JC? |
If you can't trade your star for equal value then you look for potential/promising young player.
ex: K.Love for Wiggins/anthony bennett
Melo for Gallinary + multiple picks |
Both trades included more than one asset. I don't know if the Cavs wanted Bennet or he was a dump, but their was also a 1st included in teh trade. In addition to the picks, the Gallinari trade also consisted of Mosgov, Wilson Chandler, and Felton.
So I have two points I guess. One is that Clarkson isn't as good as Gallinari nor Wiggins, and the second is neither of those players were the only part of the deal. So if we were to trade for a vet star, we would need to include another trade chip, and any of our players not as good as Clarkson wouldn't sweeten the deal enough to get it done.
So if we were to include someone else it wouldn't be Clarkson and DLO, or Clarkson and the pick, or Clarkson and Randle, it would be DLO and Clarkosn, Top 3 pick and Clarkson or Randle and Clarkson.
Although some people here might think Clarkson>Randle, I'd bet Randle would get a better return than Clarkson if both were traded straight up. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Roon wrote: | governator wrote: | Roon wrote: | governator wrote: | Lakerpark wrote: | If the Lakers are going to play Golden State style ball, they need good 3 pt shooters.
Do you guys consider Jordan Clarkson a good three point shooter?
Do you think he can improve his 3 ball much more?
This past season, he seemed to have improved his 3 from his rookie season but he seemed inconsistent.
there were games where he would get like 3 or 4 3 pointers in a row in the first quarter the cool off the rest of the game. |
yes, he definitely has the potential. The only thing is that out of the 3 young guys (Nance is a back up at this point), Russell is the better PG of the 2 and Randle solidifies himself at the 4. JC then has to play the 2 which he is a little undersized
JC is the most expendable trade chip we have and I won't be surprised if Lakers move him for a vet star |
Why would anyone trade a vet star for JC? |
If you can't trade your star for equal value then you look for potential/promising young player.
ex: K.Love for Wiggins/anthony bennett
Melo for Gallinary + multiple picks |
Both trades included more than one asset. I don't know if the Cavs wanted Bennet or he was a dump, but their was also a 1st included in teh trade. In addition to the picks, the Gallinari trade also consisted of Mosgov, Wilson Chandler, and Felton.
So I have two points I guess. One is that Clarkson isn't as good as Gallinari nor Wiggins, and the second is neither of those players were the only part of the deal. So if we were to trade for a vet star, we would need to include another trade chip, and any of our players not as good as Clarkson wouldn't sweeten the deal enough to get it done.
So if we were to include someone else it wouldn't be Clarkson and DLO, or Clarkson and the pick, or Clarkson and Randle, it would be DLO and Clarkosn, Top 3 pick and Clarkson or Randle and Clarkson.
Although some people here might think Clarkson>Randle, I'd bet Randle would get a better return than Clarkson if both were traded straight up. |
Yes, it would be something that the F.O has to negotiate. Whether sending 1 or 2 or even 3 of our young prospects, or taking back salary as a dump or future picks but it doesn't necessarily means that the F.O. can't trade JC with fillers/future picks alone (not involving DLo/Randle).
My point is that out of the three guys, DLo and Randle looks like they're the obvious starting PG/PF while JC can be debated if he's gonna start at the SG, 6th man or even PG (i don't think Lakers see him as better PG than Russell) thus the most likely trade chip |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Oh now it's Galinaris turn to
Get overrated lol Mr 50 _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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CaCHooKa_Man Star Player
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Andre2K Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 4:14 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Would the Lakers trade JC for Kevin Love? |
To be fair, the question should be, would the Lakers trade JC and 2013-2014 David Lee for Kevin Love?
Just a reminder, Lee averaged 18/9 that season. |
Also keep in mind that, that was a 24 year old Thompson in his 4th year. JC is 23 going on his 3rd year. Obviously JC is not the player Thompson is, (Thompson was a lottery pick) its still not a fair comparison. _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:27 am Post subject: |
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His work ethic is off the charts. Looking forward to him having a great season next year. |
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Gimme_the_rock Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:30 am Post subject: |
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... in the Laker's practice facility.
Keep up the good work, JC!!!! _________________ We back. |
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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Easily the hardest working laker now that Kobe is gone. He's here for the long haul, I'd like to see the lakers draft Kay fielder to solidify the backcourt for 10 + years. We need someone that can guard the smaller guards, pick up 94 feet and facilitate in order to move dlo off the ball when clarkson sits.
Russell/fielder
Clarkson
Would be a beastly back court |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 8:01 am Post subject: |
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You can't teach work ethic. You either have it or you don't. Clarkson has it and its a big reason he's going to have a great career. |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Dave20 wrote: | You can't teach work ethic. You either have it or you don't. Clarkson has it and its a big reason he's going to have a great career. |
He is a talented and hard work player. Learning some defensive principles and being willing to take some contact to draw fouls may place him among a select group of players. |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Dave20 wrote: | You can't teach work ethic. You either have it or you don't. Clarkson has it and its a big reason he's going to have a great career. |
According to some here his Max is a 6th man on a championship team. _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dave20 wrote: | You can't teach work ethic. You either have it or you don't. Clarkson has it and its a big reason he's going to have a great career. |
Agree, I think that JC has a very good motor and work ethic. Obviously he has worked hard to become a starter after being drafted in second round. However, considering he went through 4 years of college and now 2 years of the NBA, why the heck is not a good defender?
He has a great motor, he can run all day. He should be a very pesky defender. I am completely baffled by this hole in his game and I hope that Luke can get through to him. We need a 2 way player at that position and he can be that guy for us (mainly so we don't have to overpay D-Roz $25 mil per season) PLAY D JC! Please! _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | Dave20 wrote: | You can't teach work ethic. You either have it or you don't. Clarkson has it and its a big reason he's going to have a great career. |
According to some here his Max is a 6th man on a championship team. |
I don't think anybody said his max is a 6th man. There's been debate for next season if he can be a PG, SG, 6th man or if he is the best trade chip we have out of the young guys |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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And yet every trade discussion involves Clarkson, even though he'd have to agree to a sign and trade. Great form on his 3's and great video! Can't wait to see him and the rest of the Lakers next season. Thanks! |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: |
And yet every trade discussion involves Clarkson, even though he'd have to agree to a sign and trade. Great form on his 3's and great video! Can't wait to see him and the rest of the Lakers next season. Thanks! |
most likely a product of their age. JC is the oldest out of JC/Russ/Jules and everybody's got 2 years worth of JC to evaluate vs just 1. All three are not untouchable, there will always be trade scenarios until they've proven to be untouchable |
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:12 am Post subject: |
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What are u guys expecting JC to get in terms of next contract? Perhaps lakers will only offer him the max he can get from other teams? I think it is like 5mil for first 2 years and like 20+ for last 2 years. I'm hoping we can get him for a smooth 10/mil year for 5 years. Is that possible? _________________ Billions Billions Billions |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:16 am Post subject: |
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15 wrote: | What are u guys expecting JC to get in terms of next contract? Perhaps lakers will only offer him the max he can get from other teams? I think it is like 5mil for first 2 years and like 20+ for last 2 years. I'm hoping we can get him for a smooth 10/mil year for 5 years. Is that possible? |
there's so much money aka seller's market right now, someone will offer him that 'max' but that $20mil wont hurt as much as it sounds in 2018/19. We should def match |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Clarkson under normal circumstances would be eligible for a maximum-salary deal that starts at a projected $20.4MM next season. Offer sheets in such a circumstance could cover four years with 4.5% raises, so the total value of the contract would be $87.108MM, based on that $20.4MM projection. However, the Arenas provision reduces the total value an offer sheet could cover to $56,893,260, again based on that $20.4MM max projection. Clarkson couldn’t make more than the mid-level in the first season and a 4.5% raise on the mid-level in the second season, and he’d be limited in year three — the year that the Arenas provision allows a massive raise — to no more than he could make in year three on a standard offer sheet. Here’s how the maximum Arenas provision offer sheet to Clarkson would break down:
Year 1 — $5,628,000
Year 2 — $5,881,260
Year 3 — $22,236,000
Year 4 — $23,148,000
Total — $56,893,260
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/12/glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision.html _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:21 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | Clarkson under normal circumstances would be eligible for a maximum-salary deal that starts at a projected $20.4MM next season. Offer sheets in such a circumstance could cover four years with 4.5% raises, so the total value of the contract would be $87.108MM, based on that $20.4MM projection. However, the Arenas provision reduces the total value an offer sheet could cover to $56,893,260, again based on that $20.4MM max projection. Clarkson couldn’t make more than the mid-level in the first season and a 4.5% raise on the mid-level in the second season, and he’d be limited in year three — the year that the Arenas provision allows a massive raise — to no more than he could make in year three on a standard offer sheet. Here’s how the maximum Arenas provision offer sheet to Clarkson would break down:
Year 1 — $5,628,000
Year 2 — $5,881,260
Year 3 — $22,236,000
Year 4 — $23,148,000
Total — $56,893,260
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/12/glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision.html |
mods, can you sticky this and all other pertinent salary facts |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I don't see a team offering a max deal to JC.
Most teams realize that JC is an asset to the Lakers that would be matched under the Arenas provision. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:27 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't see a team offering a max deal to JC.
Most teams realize that JC is an asset to the Lakers that would be matched under the Arenas provision. |
i don't know man, it's like Barnes, some team will gamble (maybe even us). JC is an even cheaper gamble |
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:29 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't see a team offering a max deal to JC.
Most teams realize that JC is an asset to the Lakers that would be matched under the Arenas provision. |
i don't know man, it's like Barnes, some team will gamble (maybe even us). JC is an even cheaper gamble | nah, no one is going to offer him max. It doesn't make sense as mentioned a million times. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:29 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't see a team offering a max deal to JC.
Most teams realize that JC is an asset to the Lakers that would be matched under the Arenas provision. |
i don't know man, it's like Barnes, some team will gamble (maybe even us). JC is an even cheaper gamble |
And he's a less proven player who hasn't played in the playoffs. Plus Barnes is a traditional RFA and if the Warriors get KD, may actually be attainable (though if we draft Ingram I don't see why we break the bank for a SF). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't see a team offering a max deal to JC.
Most teams realize that JC is an asset to the Lakers that would be matched under the Arenas provision. |
i don't know man, it's like Barnes, some team will gamble (maybe even us). JC is an even cheaper gamble | nah, no one is going to offer him max. It doesn't make sense as mentioned a million times. |
yeah, you're prob right (i'm hoping smooth signing with JC). Just thinking that all the teams (especially the bad ones) will have enough money to max JC and not that many stars FA this summer |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:34 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't see a team offering a max deal to JC.
Most teams realize that JC is an asset to the Lakers that would be matched under the Arenas provision. |
i don't know man, it's like Barnes, some team will gamble (maybe even us). JC is an even cheaper gamble |
And he's a less proven player who hasn't played in the playoffs. Plus Barnes is a traditional RFA and if the Warriors get KD, may actually be attainable (though if we draft Ingram I don't see why we break the bank for a SF). |
true, Ingram can play 3/4 like Barnes. Once we strike out on superstars, focus will be a C and prob still Droz to be featured |
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