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pjiddy
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| fiendishoc wrote: |
Eh, you should know better not to listen to Henry Abbott and Truehoop. Kobe shares the floor with Boozer and Wes Johnson. |
And Kobe is shooting a lower percentage than both of them. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: |
Eh, you should know better not to listen to Henry Abbott and Truehoop. Kobe shares the floor with Boozer and Wes Johnson. |
And Kobe is shooting a lower percentage than both of them. |
Which completely throws the "who do you want him to pass to" argument out the window. |
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lakeshow83
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | I wrote this last week...
The front office is doing a great job. This team is so bad it's almost comical at times. This is an obvious tank job and I can't believe some laker fans have yet to realize it.
Mid range shots are the least efficient in the NBA and everyone knows this. We have no post threat to score inside and Scott tells the team not to take 3's. That doesn't sound fishy to anyone?
The most efficient way to score is on threes and in the paint. We can't defend either. Still don't smell anything?
The lakers have thier eye on a specific prospect this season so let's wait and see who that is. Wouldn't be surprised if we add some talent around all star break, but it will be a piece that will help us compete next season.
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: |
Eh, you should know better not to listen to Henry Abbott and Truehoop. Kobe shares the floor with Boozer and Wes Johnson. |
And Kobe is shooting a lower percentage than both of them. |
Which completely throws the "who do you want him to pass to" argument out the window. |
Not sure why that's relevant. Boozer has the worst defensive efficiency on the team and Wes is terrible on both sides of the ball on most nights. Plus you have Ed Davis being the best two way player on the team coming off the bench, and a team that really does well in garbage time. You really can't tell anything from a +/- stat and it's obvious that Abbott is just using it for his own agenda, as we all know. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: |
Eh, you should know better not to listen to Henry Abbott and Truehoop. Kobe shares the floor with Boozer and Wes Johnson. |
And Kobe is shooting a lower percentage than both of them. |
Which completely throws the "who do you want him to pass to" argument out the window. |
Not sure why that's relevant. Boozer has the worst defensive efficiency on the team and Wes is terrible on both sides of the ball on most nights. Plus you have Ed Davis being the best two way player on the team coming off the bench, and a team that really does well in garbage time. You really can't tell anything from a +/- stat and it's obvious that Abbott is just using it for his own agenda, as we all know. |
It's relevant to the post I responded to which stated that both Boozer and Wes Johnson have higher FG% than Kobe.
A 37% shooter should try to pass the ball to anyone shooting 37.1% or better. |
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loserfinger
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: |
A 37% shooter should try to pass the ball to anyone shooting 37.1% or better. |
Oh yah, Maybe Kobe should stop shooting altogether and let Hill and Johnson take 15+ shots a game, because hey have a better %. Maybe Ed Davis should be our #1 attempt taker
as a matter fact, lets just tell LBJ to stop completely and hand the reigns to Verajo because hey a 40% shooter should stop shooting and look to pass to a 50%.
your kobe hating logic is idiotic as (bleep) and very transparent. 19 years and all you (bleep) can do is hate on the man |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| With the talent level of this team, regardless of who takes shots or who passes, we would still be 3-11 at best. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| loserfinger wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
A 37% shooter should try to pass the ball to anyone shooting 37.1% or better. |
Oh yah, Maybe Kobe should stop shooting altogether and let Hill and Johnson take 15+ shots a game, because hey have a better %. Maybe Ed Davis should be our #1 attempt taker
as a matter fact, lets just tell LBJ to stop completely and hand the reigns to Verajo because hey a 40% shooter should stop shooting and look to pass to a 50%.
your kobe hating logic is idiotic as (bleep) and very transparent. 19 years and all you (bleep) can do is hate on the man |
Not talking about handing the reigns or not taking any shots at all. That's extreme. I'm saying maybe let some of these takes shoulder the scoring load so he can ease himself back in. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| loserfinger wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
A 37% shooter should try to pass the ball to anyone shooting 37.1% or better. |
Oh yah, Maybe Kobe should stop shooting altogether and let Hill and Johnson take 15+ shots a game, because hey have a better %. Maybe Ed Davis should be our #1 attempt taker
as a matter fact, lets just tell LBJ to stop completely and hand the reigns to Verajo because hey a 40% shooter should stop shooting and look to pass to a 50%.
your kobe hating logic is idiotic as (bleep) and very transparent. 19 years and all you (bleep) can do is hate on the man |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| Lol, a lot of fingers these days... |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | Lol, a lot of fingers these days... |
Well, can't see a ring on a finger for a while though. 
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Shaqman55
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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That settles it! All we gotta do is Bench Kobe, Lin and Boozer and we become contenders!!!
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Kobeling
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe is not getting all that money to please the stat geeks. He knows what he is doing. He is teching the young guys how to play chess while all of you think about checkers. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobeling wrote: | | Kobe is not getting all that money to please the stat geeks. He knows what he is doing. He is teching the young guys how to play chess while all of you think about checkers. |
But what exactly is he teaching them? GTFO my way teaching?
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terpski
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobeling wrote: | | Kobe is not getting all that money to please the stat geeks. He knows what he is doing. He is teching the young guys how to play chess while all of you think about checkers. |
I only wish we were playing checkers. Frankly, marbles has more complexity than what he's trying to "teach" the Lakers now. |
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SweetP
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. |
The entire Laker starting 5 is at the bottom. JHill, Boozer, JLin, Johnson and Kobe.
Well, we all knew the Lakers were playing poorly 
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angrypuppy
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It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
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greenfrog
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| angrypuppy wrote: |
It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
but is a much bigger part of the team than those other guys at the bottom. |
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angrypuppy
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| greenfrog wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: |
It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
but is a much bigger part of the team than those other guys at the bottom. |
Which is why he plays the lion's share of the minutes. |
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KBH
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobeling wrote: | | Kobe is not getting all that money to please the stat geeks. He knows what he is doing. He is teching the young guys how to play chess while all of you think about checkers. |
Checkers, chess or otherwise, I don't see who's winning right now. Other than our opponents and our chances at keeping our top-5 pick. |
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terpski
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: |
It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
but is a much bigger part of the team than those other guys at the bottom. |
And he takes most of the shots.
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| terpski wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: |
It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
but is a much bigger part of the team than those other guys at the bottom. |
And he takes a most of the shots. |
Just to be clear, I think he's bringing down those other Lakers at the bottom rather than them bringing him down. |
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KBH
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | terpski wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: |
It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
but is a much bigger part of the team than those other guys at the bottom. |
And he takes a most of the shots. |
Just to be clear, I think he's bringing down those other Lakers at the bottom rather than them bringing him down. |
I think it's more that the team is mostly made up of scraps found at the bottom of the barrel and Kobe's, and the coach's philosophy, approach of working harder not smarter is bringing his own play to the bottom of that barrel. |
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: |
It's a summary stat. Kobe plays the lion's share of minutes on a team that sucks. |
but is a much bigger part of the team than those other guys at the bottom. |
Which is why he plays the lion's share of the minutes. |
He was on a lousy team in 2005 and was still in the top 20 in +/-. Yes, his teammates are lousy now, but people need to accept that a lot of Kobe's poor stats is the result of his (at times) poor play. An entirely midranged-based game is going to produce sub-par results. That's why virtually the entire NBA, save for the Lakers, has moved away from it. Kobe and Byron aren't playing chess. Hell, they're not even playing checkers. They're playing senet.
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