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PhoenixForce
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| Team sucks. Just enjoy the tanking |
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Will2Win
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| I hate to say it, but whether we play fast or slow it won't matter. We really are what we are. Boozer is terrible defensively, as much as i hate to say it since i love kobe, Kobe's defense is just sad right now he is just slacking hard and doesn't even help out when Lin gets screened, and other teams know that. This team is really just playing how it plays, we really don't have the talent to be anything more than what we really are. Also Kobe's legs are starting to show he is struggling to just lift the weight of the offensive end. |
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misterioso
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This one has been talked about to death. This team couldn't run if it wanted to.
You need defensive stops to play a speed game. The Lakers are the worst defensive team in the league. You can't run when you're starting a play with an inbounds pass from under the basket.
The Lakers can't rebound. Can't run in transition when you're near the bottom of the league in defensive rebounding. Nobody talks about it, but Pau's rebounding and outlet passes is sorely missed.
The Lakers have no perimeter shooters. You need perimeter spot up shooters in order to play fast. See Golden State. They have 5 guys who can shake defenders and drop shots from all over the floor. The Lakers have only 3 (Kobe, Swaggy, and Lin). The only way the Lakers can play effectively is in a half court set.
The Lakers ran plenty last year, but couldn't play a lick of defense in both transition and half court. This year, you can see they have a defensive scheme, but the personnel isn't good enough to execute it. Also this team is worse offensively and is constantly getting beat back down the floor in transition - again a personnel problem, too many slow footed players. |
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lakersken80
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Doesn't matter if they run or not this team stinks....
To be honest the biggest beneficiery would be Wes Johnson since he can utilize his only offensive skill set, the dunk...  |
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numero-ocho
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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"Get rid of Boozer" should be at least a partial answer to any question on how to improve the team.
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tonman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| misterioso wrote: | This one has been talked about to death. This team couldn't run if it wanted to.
You need defensive stops to play a speed game. The Lakers are the worst defensive team in the league. You can't run when you're starting a play with an inbounds pass from under the basket.
The Lakers can't rebound. Can't run in transition when you're near the bottom of the league in defensive rebounding. Nobody talks about it, but Pau's rebounding and outlet passes is sorely missed.
The Lakers have no perimeter shooters. You need perimeter spot up shooters in order to play fast. See Golden State. They have 5 guys who can shake defenders and drop shots from all over the floor. The Lakers have only 3 (Kobe, Swaggy, and Lin). The only way the Lakers can play effectively is in a half court set.
The Lakers ran plenty last year, but couldn't play a lick of defense in both transition and half court. This year, you can see they have a defensive scheme, but the personnel isn't good enough to execute it. Also this team is worse offensively and is constantly getting beat back down the floor in transition - again a personnel problem, too many slow footed players. |
and the lakers will be hard pressed to reach their win total from last year, a team that didn't feature Kobe.
the lakers do not have the beef to play half-court basketball. they don't have the size to secure the defensive rebound. Hill has 4.3 offensive rebounds to 5.5 defensive rebounds.
so you slow down the offense and play half-court. you have ONE post player in Boozer who prefers the slow 15 foot turnaround jump shot. Both Boozer and Hill roles to the elbow on PNR so they shoot 15-20 foot jump shots all game. Davis does not create his own shots and we don't go to him down in the post. so what offense are you going to run? that's why the ISOs. the opposing team does not care about Boozer or Hill beating them.
running does NOT mean gunning. running means putting pressure on the defense during the entire 24 seconds you have the ball. you push the ball up the court and then if the initial break doesn't yield anything you always have a secondary break as long as your bigs run the court. there may be mismatches right off the bat due to transition defense. you only go ISO if you are looking to take a shot as the clock goes down.
the lakers cannot play slow offense. the lakers can simply play zone. let them shoot threes and make them. some teams are better shooters than others. you can rest some playing zone and then push the ball. rebounding becomes an issue though but it wasn't a strong suit in the first place. |
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Kobeling
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo.
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
Don't feed the troll. |
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Kobeling
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
All of them are past their prime. Tony Parker probably still have some good years ahead of him but Ginoboli is close to retirement. Kobe can still score like the NBA finest.
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Kobeling
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
Don't feed the troll. |
So now I'm a troll for stating the obvious? When was the last time you heard someone saying that Ginoboli or Parker should be the MVP? Kobe was the better player in the past, he is the better player right now and will be the better player in the future. Kobe is timeless.
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MJST
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| PhoenixForce wrote: | | Team sucks. Just enjoy the tanking |
if you call what they're doing tanking then you don't know the definition of the word. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | PhoenixForce wrote: | | Team sucks. Just enjoy the tanking |
if you call what they're doing tanking then you don't know the definition of the word. |
Lakers aren't tanking but the end result is the same...
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silkwilkes
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Playing fast = more possessions for both the Lakers and the opponents = Lakers have to play more defense. Add to that, you play fast and you need to play good transition defense.
The less the Lakers have to play defense, the better imo. So i'd play as slow as possible lol. |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Lakers already play at the 7th fastest pace in the league. The sets are stagnant because usually they don't call for more than 2 people to move more than 5 feet. |
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SGV-Laker fan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| this has been the issue with Kobe for years now. why can't there be a middle ground? first unit plays half court sets more, and 2nd unit plays uptempo. why the need to predetermine everything? |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Whichever style of play that gets us a top 5 pick this year is what I will endorse.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| Kobeling wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
Don't feed the troll. |
So now I'm a troll for stating the obvious? When was the last time you heard someone saying that Ginoboli or Parker should be the MVP? Kobe was the better player in the past, he is the better player right now and will be the better player in the future. Kobe is timeless. |
Kobe is the better player right now?!
I'd much rather have Kobe scoring 17 PPG on 51% shooting than what he is doing right now. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
Don't feed the troll. |
So now I'm a troll for stating the obvious? When was the last time you heard someone saying that Ginoboli or Parker should be the MVP? Kobe was the better player in the past, he is the better player right now and will be the better player in the future. Kobe is timeless. |
Kobe is the better player right now?!
I'd much rather have Kobe scoring 17 PPG on 51% shooting than what he is doing right now. |
Swap out Kobe w/ Gino or TP and guaranteed his efficiency would be much better on the Spurs w/ Pop running the show and gobs more talent. He's still a better individual play than those 2, but I wouldn't fight you if you said TP was. W/o question he's better than Gino. Just not as efficient due to circumstances |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Kobeling wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Kobeling wrote: | | Enough with the Spurs this, Spurs that... the Lakers don't need to play like the Spurs. Kobe is at least twice the athlete that Ginobili or Parker ever were. The team needs to pay attention to their captain and keep up with his tempo. |
right now? omigod |
Don't feed the troll. |
So now I'm a troll for stating the obvious? When was the last time you heard someone saying that Ginoboli or Parker should be the MVP? Kobe was the better player in the past, he is the better player right now and will be the better player in the future. Kobe is timeless. |
Last season we heard that Parker should be in the MVP chase. Kobe can score with the best, it just takes him more shots to do so. Parker is the best of those 3 right now.
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Kobe2Clark
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lin trying to push the ball up 8 tonight led to 2 turnovers and got him benched. Even Nick Young said we were playing too fast at the end
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Kobe2Clark
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Fast tempo worked great vs. GS. They just weren't ready for it.
Thing is, I don't think Kobe likes to play this way but it would improve his efficiency since he'd theoretically get more shots at the rim and open transition 3s.
Again, what to do about this? Reading this board lately, kicking Kobe off the the team is the solution lol
Any thoughts besides that?
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Will2Win
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Kobe2Clark wrote: | Fast tempo worked great vs. GS. They just weren't ready for it.
Thing is, I don't think Kobe likes to play this way but it would improve his efficiency since he'd theoretically get more shots at the rim and open transition 3s.
Again, what to do about this? Reading this board lately, kicking Kobe off the the team is the solution lol
Any thoughts besides that? |
I think Kobe can play it, but he can't do it having to play 35mins. If his minutes are shortened then he can definitely do a running game, heck if Pierce can do a running game in Washington then Kobe can do running too. |
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MJST
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Kobe and Boozer prefer slower tempo. Pretty much everyone else wants to play fast. What to do? |
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| Kobe2Clark wrote: | | I feel that is the reason for the stagnant offense at times. How can Byron balance this out? |
Starting Price, Kobe, Wes, Boozer and Hill and run the slower pace
bringing Lin, Young, Ellington, Davis off the bench and run the faster one
Simple solution.
Pull out Kobe somewhere between the 4-2 minute marks of the 1st and the 3rd so the bench can start pushing tempo sooner and Kobe gets less minutes and more energy to close games.
Simple imo, just up to Scott to do it. |
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