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jonnybravo Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I guess Kobe was a bust too in his rookie season by the OP's reasoning. |
Sorry dude, that was all Delbert. The eye test to everyone that saw him from Summer league and on was that he had it. |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I guess Kobe was a bust too in his rookie season by the OP's reasoning. |
Sorry dude, that was all Delbert. The eye test to everyone that saw him from Summer league and on was that he had it. |
He also had the swag that he was going to be somebody. I admire his Utah air-balls, but thinking back... what a terrible coach and bunch of sissies. Thinking back, I cannot believe, they agreed to give the 18 year old the ball. LOL! It was not as if Kobe had a spectacular rookie season. So that shows how scared Eddie Jones was. As for Nick, I don't think he's scared of anything, but wondering why he didn't demand the ball. I'd have to watch the series again. |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 22734 Location: La Jolla, San Diego
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Are Wiggins and Exum busts? |
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CandyCanes wrote: | Both have hugely underperformed considering all the hype they received. I think Embiid will be a bust too, but I bet T-Wolves fans are wishing they'd picked him instead.
Too bad we didn't get to see Randle have a better season than Exum and possibly Wiggins. That would have been satisfying. |
It may turn out that Zach Lavine is better than Wiggins. He already has better handles. I said it before the draft, Wiggins is a longer version of Jerry Stackhouse.
The interesting progression to watch is between Lavine and Exum. Lavine had the game of his life against us, but it made me wonder why Exum was so much higher than him. |
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Janggoon8 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt he'll ever be like Kobe, but in their respective age at 19, they've put up similar stats. You could put T-mac in there too. Wiggins definitely has the tools to be a beast. |
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Lamar's Bud Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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CandyCanes wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I guess Kobe was a bust too in his rookie season by the OP's reasoning. |
Kobe at 19 was averaging 15.4 points off the bench. |
With a full year of NBA experience under his belt. Who's to say that any of these guys can't average 15 PPG next season? The fact that Kobe was coming off the bench doesn't mean anything when he was playing nearly starter minutes (much like Ginobili ended up doing). |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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this past draft class was all hype. even the most readied rookie Jabari Parker is also mediocre at best at this point. |
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non-player zealot Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Is CC a bust? |
I don't know how you could call him a bust. He didn't go high in the Ivy League draft. |
The expectations surrounding him were way too high. People were projecting him as Harvard material. Ridiculous. His ceiling is Cornell. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | this past draft class was all hype. even the most readied rookie Jabari Parker is also mediocre at best at this point. |
As long as you realize that this point is about a dozen games into their careers. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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non-player zealot wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Is CC a bust? |
I don't know how you could call him a bust. He didn't go high in the Ivy League draft. |
The expectations surrounding him were way too high. People were projecting him as Harvard material. Ridiculous. His ceiling is Cornell. |
_________________ “It took many years of vomiting up all the filth I’d been taught about myself, and half-believed, before I was able to walk on the earth as though I had a right to be here.”
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Potato-Mania Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Should have said Wiggins and Parker. |
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ringsandthings Rookie
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Are Wiggins and Exum busts? |
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CandyCanes wrote: | Both have hugely underperformed considering all the hype they received. I think Embiid will be a bust too, but I bet T-Wolves fans are wishing they'd picked him instead.
Too bad we didn't get to see Randle have a better season than Exum and possibly Wiggins. That would have been satisfying. | pretty please take a look at tracy mcgrady's early stats. |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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First year players rarely do much. Parker, Exum, and Wiggins are all putting up numbers similar to what current NBA stars did at the same age. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Here is an ESPN piece comparing Wiggins and Parker. It's an Insider piece, so here are some quotes about Wiggins for those who don't have access:
Quote: | Scoring
Wiggins: After Wiggins broke out for 29 points on Saturday, he leads all rookies in points per game (12.5). This is a terrific sign for the Wolves because Wiggins doesn't even have great scoring instincts yet; that he's having success despite understanding little about scoring shows why he's the clear No. 1 prospect in this class.
But Wiggins has shown the ability to shoot, drive, make plays on the offensive glass and earn free throw opportunities (including 9-for-10 on Saturday). His free throw numbers are worth watching as he develops as a scorer. He's currently attempting 3.8 free throws per game. For comparison's sake, LeBron averaged 5.8 free throw attempts during his rookie season and eight attempts in his second season. |
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Wiggins: This is an incredibly exciting aspect of Wiggins' game. A case can be made that he is the best rookie shooter among the elite athletes (Russell Westbrook, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, John Wall, Derrick Rose) who have come into the league recently. Wiggins is easily outshooting them all relative to their rookie seasons. Although the sample size is small, his form and overall mechanics are strong. |
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Wiggins: This is where anyone making the argument that Wiggins will not be an elite player will begin that discussion. He shows his motor on defense but nowhere else. Consider that he may indeed be the fastest sprinter in the league today, yet highlights of him beating everyone down the court to catch a lob are almost nonexistent. His instinct is to trail the ball, which stands in stark contrast to teammate and fellow elite sprinter Corey Brewer.
Wiggins also stands around often on offense in general, which is one reason his offensive rebound rate is so low -- it's hard to get boards when floating around the 3-point line. There are moments where we see big-time effort, but he's nowhere near consistent here. |
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11939180/andrew-wiggins-vs-jabari-parker |
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Peoples Hernandez Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:13 am Post subject: |
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LakersMD wrote: | No to Wiggins. Jury's still out on Exum. |
It's not even january... in their rookie seasons no less.
Threads like this are a result of the social media-knee jerk reaction age. _________________ Whenever the Lakers benefit all of a sudden rules need to be changed and trades need to be blocked.
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DimesnD Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: |
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If anything Wiggins is on pace to be a superstar. parker is steady but hasn't put up huge numbers yet. Exum was always a project, slowed by having 2 guards playing ahead of him and no mentor. Had the Lakers gotten him Exum would be on a faster track - Kobe would mold this guy to be a great #$@hole.
By the OP's standard, Randle is the biggest bust of them all. |
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Laker_Town Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Is 2.0 a bust or is he becoming the next CC? |
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City_Dawg Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Laker_Town wrote: | Is 2.0 a bust or is he becoming the next CC? |
Actually, 2.0 was around before CC, so............
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:49 am Post subject: |
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CandyCanes wrote: | lakersken80 wrote: | You speak with certainty after 15 games.......a rookie in the NBA typically takes 2-3 years to develop. After 3 years, if the player is still a non-factor you can say with certainty they are a bust. |
Guys like LeBron/Durant/Rose were instant impact players. Wiggins doesn't seem like he'll be on their level at this rate. |
Durant was not that impressive in his rookie season IIRC. In fact, I remember thinking, what a low percentage chucker! Guy did put up 20 PPG, but on poor percentages from the field and 3pt.
Some guys are instant impact like you mentioned. But some take time, especially when they are young. You know, like that Kobe guy =) |
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LuciusAllen Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Topics like these drive me crazy. But I guess it's a product of the 24-hour news cycle, and the need to fill that time by overanalyzing, predicting, and hyping. People get caught up in that stuff pretty easily.
I'd wait about 3-4 seasons before asking or answering this question. |
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Fan0Bynum17 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:41 am Post subject: |
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This isn't the 80's where the star picks come in and are immediately ready to go, these are predominantly 19/20 year old freshmen being drafted. Judging them not only on their first season, but their first 20 games, is stupid. |
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nashftw Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think the upside for Wiggins is Kevin Garnett. The length and close out ability is there especially on D. As KG matured, he became more efficient offensively with his movements and refined in shot making. I think that's where Wiggins is headed.
Hard to get a gauge yet on Exum until he plays a lot more, but Parker seems like a less athletic version of Grant Hill but with the same effectiveness and steadiness. Parker just needs to develop his floor game a bit more, getting his teammates involved and being more of a facilitator |
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Tark the Shark Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Wiggins is starting to look pretty good. |
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Oliver Reed Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:14 am Post subject: |
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CandyCanes wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I guess Kobe was a bust too in his rookie season by the OP's reasoning. |
Kobe at 19 was averaging 15.4 points off the bench. |
still cant believe he didnt win 6th man that year. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Oliver Reed wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I guess Kobe was a bust too in his rookie season by the OP's reasoning. |
Kobe at 19 was averaging 15.4 points off the bench. |
still cant believe he didnt win 6th man that year. |
Kobe came in a close second.
He put up 15-3-3 on 43% shooting.
Manning, the winner, put up 14-6-2 on 52% shooting.
Dale Ellis was 12-2-1 on 50% shooting (and leading the league in 3-point shooting at 46%).
I think you could make a decent case for any of the three of them that year. |
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