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Dr. Laker
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| Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DimesnD wrote: | all players love max money.
Butler, Monroe, Rondo
Jim Buss' new mantra. Come to LA. We'll pay the best even if you're no where close to being the best. Use all our cap to be mediocre. |
Except that has never happened, so I am not sure what you are talking about. |
Exactly. We could have paid someone the max to someone who doesn't deserve it this past summer. |
We did. Oh, wait. That was in November 2013.
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mambamafia
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DimesnD wrote: | all players love max money.
Butler, Monroe, Rondo
Jim Buss' new mantra. Come to LA. We'll pay the best even if you're no where close to being the best. Use all our cap to be mediocre. |
Except that has never happened, so I am not sure what you are talking about. |
Exactly. We could have paid someone the max to someone who doesn't deserve it this past summer. |
We did. Oh, wait. That was in November 2013. |
ya, lets just compare giving Kobe a short term max deal to giving guys like Bledsoe and Lance full max deals |
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venturalakersfan
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Danny Green without an effective drive and kick PG is worthless IMO. He is a great product of the Spurs' system. Here, he would be less valuable and more limited. |
So you are concluding that we will never have a drive and kick PG? How about a drive and kick PF? What we don't have is someone who can hit those shots on drives.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Danny Green without an effective drive and kick PG is worthless IMO. He is a great product of the Spurs' system. Here, he would be less valuable and more limited. |
So you are concluding that we will never have a drive and kick PG? How about a drive and kick PF? What we don't have is someone who can hit those shots on drives. |
Don't you want the right system (and playmakers) before you get a guy like Green? He is the antithesis of Scott's system.
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| Spurs system makes players look better then what they really are. Green wouldn't be nearly as good in Byron's offense and especially without a great PG. Players that are consistent from mid range would be great in Byron's system, those are the players we should be targeting. |
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[quote="PICKnPOP"] | M2K wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I guess most people on LG have inside information that I don't have because I have yet to see Jim buss make one mistake to warrant any of the comments made about him. I guess espn really does control what people think. Since Jim took over he's done a great job as far as I'm concerned. He's taken chances when the opportunities were present and he's been patient when there were none.
Just a few years ago we had a team that looked like an all-time great on paper. We went out and got a so-called "offensive genius" to bring all the parts together in mike d'antoni. That was a great move.
I'm tired of hearing about how he passed on Phil when that was never the case. Phil is doing exactly what he wanted to do in LA. Once again a smart decision by buss. Just because Phil can coach doesn't make him a GM. We have a great GM in kupcheck and I'm glad he's there instead of Phil.
Jim buss couldn't control all of the injuries and he couldn't stop Dwight Howard from leaving. That's not his fault. It's better than paying Bynum to be Injured. Steve Nash was a bad move in hindsight but at the time we thought it was a steal.
idk why laker fans are so he'll bent on blaming Jim buss but I suppose they need to point the finger at someone. I'm glad Jim hasn't sunken down to the level of Phil and Jeanie by trying to pursued the media. He's honestly been a class act.
I'm also glad he stayed patient this offseason instead of spending money on third tier stars just to appease Los angeles cry baby fans. Right now the lakers are in a great situation and nobody can see the forest through the trees. Once we land our new franchise player we will have all the assets in the world and cap room to build around them. Durants agent is salivating at 2016.
Jim buss isn't the owner that la wants, but he's the owner you need. He's not gonna fold and do something stupid just so you like him like Cuban or be cheap like sterling. He's going to wait patiently and be ready when opportunity knocks. |
The above post has been nominated for "JOKE OF THE YEAR".
The Lakers had: Phil Jackson, Kobe, Pau, Bynum and Odom
Jim Buss is put in charge... and his moves / decisions slowly decimate the Lakers:
1) Mike D'Antoni instead of Phil Jackson
2) Signs Kobe to a ridiculous contract
3) Gives away draft picks like its free candy to get a washed up Steve Nash.
4) Trades their most valuable trading commodity (Bynum) to get an injured, lackadaisical Dwight Howard (who never wanted to be in LA and couldn't wait to get out of LA).
5) Jim Buss then backs up Mike D'Antoni (coach with ZERO Championships) who does nothing but misuse Pau (player with TWO Championships) basically telling Pau to F OFF all year. Pau (like Howard) couldn't wait to leave Jim Buss, Mike D'Antoni, etc and bolts to another team for (like Dwight Howard) less money.
6) Despite all the money, none of the top tier free agents sign with LA because they see a broken roster with Jim Buss still in charge.
7) After a string of pathetic coaching hires Rudy T, Mike B, Mike D... Jim Buss hires one of the worst coaches in the league in Byron Scott.
Where does this all leave us? A team lacking draft picks, an incompetent coach, a frustrated, overpaid aging player and a roster full of D-League talent.
And someone has the balls to say Jim Buss isn't the problem. LOL[/quote
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Seriously, just come out of the closet and admit you take Jim's picture into the bathroom with you.
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| mambamafia wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DimesnD wrote: | all players love max money.
Butler, Monroe, Rondo
Jim Buss' new mantra. Come to LA. We'll pay the best even if you're no where close to being the best. Use all our cap to be mediocre. |
Except that has never happened, so I am not sure what you are talking about. |
Exactly. We could have paid someone the max to someone who doesn't deserve it this past summer. |
We did. Oh, wait. That was in November 2013. |
ya, lets just compare giving Kobe a short term max deal to giving guys like Bledsoe and Lance full max deals |
How about the fact that Kobe didn't sign a max contract for starters. People just make up (bleep) to fit their agenda.
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[quote="M2K"] | PICKnPOP wrote: | | M2K wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I guess most people on LG have inside information that I don't have because I have yet to see Jim buss make one mistake to warrant any of the comments made about him. I guess espn really does control what people think. Since Jim took over he's done a great job as far as I'm concerned. He's taken chances when the opportunities were present and he's been patient when there were none.
Just a few years ago we had a team that looked like an all-time great on paper. We went out and got a so-called "offensive genius" to bring all the parts together in mike d'antoni. That was a great move.
I'm tired of hearing about how he passed on Phil when that was never the case. Phil is doing exactly what he wanted to do in LA. Once again a smart decision by buss. Just because Phil can coach doesn't make him a GM. We have a great GM in kupcheck and I'm glad he's there instead of Phil.
Jim buss couldn't control all of the injuries and he couldn't stop Dwight Howard from leaving. That's not his fault. It's better than paying Bynum to be Injured. Steve Nash was a bad move in hindsight but at the time we thought it was a steal.
idk why laker fans are so he'll bent on blaming Jim buss but I suppose they need to point the finger at someone. I'm glad Jim hasn't sunken down to the level of Phil and Jeanie by trying to pursued the media. He's honestly been a class act.
I'm also glad he stayed patient this offseason instead of spending money on third tier stars just to appease Los angeles cry baby fans. Right now the lakers are in a great situation and nobody can see the forest through the trees. Once we land our new franchise player we will have all the assets in the world and cap room to build around them. Durants agent is salivating at 2016.
Jim buss isn't the owner that la wants, but he's the owner you need. He's not gonna fold and do something stupid just so you like him like Cuban or be cheap like sterling. He's going to wait patiently and be ready when opportunity knocks. |
The above post has been nominated for "JOKE OF THE YEAR".
The Lakers had: Phil Jackson, Kobe, Pau, Bynum and Odom
Jim Buss is put in charge... and his moves / decisions slowly decimate the Lakers:
1) Mike D'Antoni instead of Phil Jackson
2) Signs Kobe to a ridiculous contract
3) Gives away draft picks like its free candy to get a washed up Steve Nash.
4) Trades their most valuable trading commodity (Bynum) to get an injured, lackadaisical Dwight Howard (who never wanted to be in LA and couldn't wait to get out of LA).
5) Jim Buss then backs up Mike D'Antoni (coach with ZERO Championships) who does nothing but misuse Pau (player with TWO Championships) basically telling Pau to F OFF all year. Pau (like Howard) couldn't wait to leave Jim Buss, Mike D'Antoni, etc and bolts to another team for (like Dwight Howard) less money.
6) Despite all the money, none of the top tier free agents sign with LA because they see a broken roster with Jim Buss still in charge.
7) After a string of pathetic coaching hires Rudy T, Mike B, Mike D... Jim Buss hires one of the worst coaches in the league in Byron Scott.
Where does this all leave us? A team lacking draft picks, an incompetent coach, a frustrated, overpaid aging player and a roster full of D-League talent.
And someone has the balls to say Jim Buss isn't the problem. LOL[/quote
"I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won" -Huey Freeman
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Seriously, just come out of the closet and admit you take Jim's picture into the bathroom with you. |
im really not sure how a mod hasn't warned you yet. You attribute nothing to a conversation besides petty insults and half ass evaluations. Please tell me why Jim buss has anything to do with Rudy tomjonovoch. Please tell me what star said he doesn't want to come to LA because of jim buss.
You clearly lack the cognitive ability to think critically? |
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AY2043
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DimesnD wrote: | all players love max money.
Butler, Monroe, Rondo
Jim Buss' new mantra. Come to LA. We'll pay the best even if you're no where close to being the best. Use all our cap to be mediocre. |
Except that has never happened, so I am not sure what you are talking about. |
Exactly. We could have paid someone the max to someone who doesn't deserve it this past summer. |
There was a litany of other teams who seemed pretty willing to do the same last off-season, including the one run by the guy many wish was running our team.. |
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I still don't think Jim himself is the problem, but the perception people around the league have of him is. He doesn't talk to the media much, and seems pretty reclusive, so the media naturally labels him as an idiot that has no idea what he's doing and perpetuates the "spoiled rich kid, Tommy boy" image of him. So that's really the only image of him that a lot of fans an players alike get of him.
The only area that I think the Jim hater's arguments are really substantiated is coaching hires. Mike Brown, MDA, and Byron (so far) have all been pretty massive failures. But to his credit, he's realized his mistakes and fired them all pretty quickly; he hasn't been stubborn about it and seems to be holding himself accountable, which I respect.
As far as roster moves, I really can't count anything against him. First he put together a team including Kobe and Chris Paul while actually saving cap space, and then he put together a team of Kobe/Nash/Pau/Howard. Granted Nash hasn't worked out at all, but no one saw that coming. He was coming off a fantastic season at the time. And as far as the Howard trade, I thought it worked out great. Bynum's not even in the league anymore and we got a top 10 player for him. Jim had no control over Dwight not wanting to play with Kobe, plus no matter what anyone's said Houston was a much more attractive situation than we were after Kobe's achilles.
We suck now, yes. But every championship team has to break up at some point, and every team has to go through a re-building phase. With the CBA the way it is, we can't just go out and grab up every star player in sight anymore like we used to. We need to build through the draft, and save cap space and that is exactly what we are doing right now. People just need to have some patience. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | Spurs system makes players look better then what they really are. Green wouldn't be nearly as good in Byron's offense and especially without a great PG. Players that are consistent from mid range would be great in Byron's system, those are the players we should be targeting. |
Signing FAs to fit with Byron's system is similar to signing FAs to fit with Kobe. One more season for both.
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| KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | | mambamafia wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DimesnD wrote: | all players love max money.
Butler, Monroe, Rondo
Jim Buss' new mantra. Come to LA. We'll pay the best even if you're no where close to being the best. Use all our cap to be mediocre. |
Except that has never happened, so I am not sure what you are talking about. |
Exactly. We could have paid someone the max to someone who doesn't deserve it this past summer. |
We did. Oh, wait. That was in November 2013. |
ya, lets just compare giving Kobe a short term max deal to giving guys like Bledsoe and Lance full max deals |
How about the fact that Kobe didn't sign a max contract for starters. People just make up (bleep) to fit their agenda. |
Yep, same old crying. Tell them that Kobe left $10 mil on the table for this season and the response is, who else would have given that to him? Like that has anything to do with it.
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Danny Green, before playing with the big 3 and Pop, was in the d league...
So the Lakers are gonna start signing spot up shooters with their coveted cap space? Yikes |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | | mambamafia wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DimesnD wrote: | all players love max money.
Butler, Monroe, Rondo
Jim Buss' new mantra. Come to LA. We'll pay the best even if you're no where close to being the best. Use all our cap to be mediocre. |
Except that has never happened, so I am not sure what you are talking about. |
Exactly. We could have paid someone the max to someone who doesn't deserve it this past summer. |
We did. Oh, wait. That was in November 2013. |
ya, lets just compare giving Kobe a short term max deal to giving guys like Bledsoe and Lance full max deals |
How about the fact that Kobe didn't sign a max contract for starters. People just make up (bleep) to fit their agenda. |
Yep, same old crying. Tell them that Kobe left $10 mil on the table for this season and the response is, who else would have given that to him? Like that has anything to do with it. |
Few people care about that. What they care about how much cap space his deal absorbs.
No one would care about him getting $25M in a league with no cap. |
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| Did Heisler indicate who the targets might be? |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Did Heisler indicate who the targets might be? |
I'm hoping it's Robin Lopez
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| Chronicle wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Did Heisler indicate who the targets might be? |
I'm hoping it's Robin Lopez |
Serious? |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Did Heisler indicate who the targets might be? |
I'm hoping it's Robin Lopez |
Serious? |
He's a good defensive anchor. Depends on how much he commands. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Did Heisler indicate who the targets might be? |
I'm hoping it's Robin Lopez |
Serious? |
For the right price, yes.
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i call (bleep), when you speak about someone will take our money but you dont have ANY name. Its just speculation.
Its like throwing crap on the wall, eventually something is going to stick. |
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| kcxiv wrote: | i call (bleep), when you speak about someone will take our money but you dont have ANY name. Its just speculation.
Its like throwing crap on the wall, eventually something is going to stick. |
Well, considering we don't even know who will be FAs next offseason, kind of hard to give names, wouldn't you agree. So let me ask, do you think that the Lakers will be unable to sign any FAs next offseason?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | kcxiv wrote: | i call (bleep), when you speak about someone will take our money but you dont have ANY name. Its just speculation.
Its like throwing crap on the wall, eventually something is going to stick. |
Well, considering we don't even know who will be FAs next offseason, kind of hard to give names, wouldn't you agree. So let me ask, do you think that the Lakers will be unable to sign any FAs next offseason? |
lol, of course they will sign someone, but will they sign someone that will make this team better? i dont think so.
For a good vet, there is no reason to play for the Lakers right now. The only time to play for the Lakers, is when they been really bad for a while and acquired some legit young talent. Until then, a good vet wants a chance at the play offs, not middle of the pack.
Its going to be worse since we might not even get a damned draft pick if they dont suck bad enough this year. |
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