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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:02 pm    Post subject: PELICANS -at- LAKERS - 12-7-14 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

The Boo’s… True to his word, Byron Scott shook up the starting lineup sending Davis and Price to the first unit and Boozer and Lin to the second unit.

Success in basketball is about two-way ball. You must have balance. In his search for D, Scott bored fans to death with no offense. The Staples crowd was deathly quiet, then fell into “boo’s” late in the game as the Lakers lost 104-87.

“For me it ain’t fun getting booed,” Nick said, mentioning that the Lakers deserved it.

Reducing Boozer’s minutes and moving him to the second unit was much needed. Moving Lin? Now you put Kobe in a lineup with no other offensive threats, only making it more difficult for Kobe and everyone else. The scoring suffered tonight as a result. Looking at the first and third quarters, the Lakers scored a combined 35 points. The second and fourth quarters with the bench heavy minutes, they scored 52.

A lot of how well this change works depends on how Scott distributes those minutes. Will Price see even more court time than before and Lin less? Can he find more minutes for Nick when the first unit is struggling and looking for scoring? While the defense was a little better in this one, the team played disjointed and sluggish.

“Our will was just kind of gone because we weren’t making enough shots,” Scott said.


Kobe -- The changes in the starting lineup will heap even more weight on Kobe’s shoulders. The team needed a way to find more balance offensively, not less. Opponents will also be able to more consistently pack the paint and clog up the works. Let Wes and Price try to beat them, load up defensively more on Kobe. Seems like an easy way to grind things to a halt. Occasionally, you take a lump or two, but more often than not you’ll have success as an opponent. Nothing came easy. He was missing from the perimeter. He led the team in assists with Lin with 4, but it wasn’t super fluid. Kobe will find a way to put the ball in the hoop, but it’s going to take more work, not less. He said they lose Lin’s ability to penetrate and Boozer’s ability to space the floor and post up, which will make things tough. But that they gain speed defensively. He said that ultimately it doesn’t matter what the lineups are guys have to perform. “When things are good it’s very easy to compete and claim to be competitive,” Kobe said. “When things are tough that when you really see who is and isn’t.” Kobe highlighted the pick and roll coverages afterward as being horrible and not sticking with the game plans. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 6-18 shooting (0-5 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 4 assists, 3 turnovers and 2 fouls in 32 minutes. He was a -18. The Action: He sank a long wing jumper on the Lakers first possession. He missed a three wide right from the top of the arc. He kicked out to Price for the open corner three. He got tapped on a three up against the shotclock. He airballed a turnaround expecting a call and didn’t get back in transition to give up a three. He swished a face-up baseline jumper on iso. Quick swing pass to Wes for the open jumper. He attacked in early offense but couldn’t finish a layup. He jab-stepped and missed a decent look at a wing three. He posted up and backed his man down low for the easy bank. He drew a double in the midpost and found Wes for the uncontested dunk under the hoop. He missed after taking contact with no call (yelled at the refs). He attacked in transition after complaining about that no call and drew FTs, he made both. He had 8 points on 3-10 shooting and 3 assists in the half. Second Half: He attacked in transition and scored a layup off a ball fake. He missed a sideline three. He lost his man on a pumpfake and swished the long jumper. Sloppy pass in transition, whipping a pass right out of bounds. He attacked in early offense and hit the pull up from about 7 feet out. He missed a long wing jumper. He slipped on the floor, kept his dribble alive, peeked at the clock (I swear that’s what it looked like) and then found Davis in the lane for the layup. He airballed a pull-up jumper. He up-faked, tried to draw contact but got no whistle and threw it away or airballed. He clanked a wing three. He was called for a push off on the split play.

Hill -- -- First-half foul trouble for Hill meant a little more time for Boozer on court. Hill didn’t have any fouls in the second half and cleared that up. He wasn’t effective offensively, clanking away from distance and not dominating the offensive glass. I think we saw just one post up from him, which he scored. With Hill and Davis on the floor, you want guys who can create shots and get in the paint. Even if they miss drives, it’s much easier for these two to clean up on that with the putbacks and garbage points. You can put ball dominant players around them and be successful. So more minutes for Lin or Young out there with them would be better. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 4-11 shooting to go with 7 boards, 1 steal, 2 blocks, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a -11. The Action: He missed a jumper from his usual spot straight away. Way short from the same spot on his next one. He missed a putback. He sank a shorter jumper. He blocked a shot in the paint on one end then tipped in a miss on the other end. He missed a turnaround elbow jumper (don’t why Lin just dumped the ball to him there, call for the screen). He was called for an illegal screen on the handoff and had to sit. He had 4 points and 4 boards in 11 minutes. Second Half: He missed a wing jumper on the inbounds. He attacked across the lane and hit the jumphook. He jab-stepped and swished a wing jumper. He missed a long chuck from about 20 feet, uggh. He attacked, stopped in the lane and missed a fallaway badly.

Davis -- -- The goal for him moving to the starting lineup will be to maintain a defensive presence without getting into foul trouble. The Lakers have to play him as much as possible. It’s not that he dominates, but that we have no shotblockers outside of him in this roster. The more minutes we have that on the floor, the better. Will Davis be able to stay on the floor long enough? It wasn’t an issue tonight as he had no fouls. Will the Lakers be able to stagger substitutions enough to get a nice mix of offense and defense? That remains to be seen. Davis got 30 minutes and could have played more, but you could see shot alterations and blocks that would have been layups or easy scores had Boozer been out there. Would have been nice to see some Lin/Davis action together, but apparently that’s not going to happen much yet. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 5-6 shooting (2-4 from the line) to go with 7 boards, 2 blocks and no fouls in 30 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He dunked off the wrap-around bounce pass from Wes. Great shot alteration of PG penetration to force a brick (would have been a layup with Boozer). He grabbed a board and missed the putback inside. He tried to jam back a missed Johnson jumper but couldn’t. He dunked when Lin found him wide open with a behind-the-back pass under the hoop. Second Half: He dunked off the quick ball movement across court. He rejected a drive on a switch. He cut off of Kobe who had fallen on the wing, took the pass from him while he was still on the ground and scored a layup. He drew FTs off the interior feed from Nick, he made one. He dunked when Wes found him. He drew FTs off the Clarkson feed.

Johnson -- -- Wes was feeling himself a little in the first half, scoring all his points in that half before going 0-3 in the second half and completely disappearing again. Good first half, though. The starters needed it badly. If D’Antoni were coaching, we would likely see Hill, Johnson, Kobe, Ellington with Lin as the starters, going small to spread the floor. Clarkson would see a few minutes and Young would largely backup the 2/3 spots. We saw Wes playing that stretch four a lot last year. Scott has had a few minutes here and there with him. I wouldn’t mind a few to limit Boozer’s time on the court. Of course, D’Antoni over-mixed lineups to a fault and chemistry suffered. Scott went 20 games of getting our mouths smashed before a change. Maybe that’s what he meant about play smashmouth ball. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 5-12 shooting (0-3 from three) to go with 1 board, 3 assists and 2 fouls in 25 minutes. He was a -5. The Action: He worked off the two-man game and wrapped a nice bounce pass around a defender to Davis for the dunk. He missed a pull-up 18-footer. He sank an open sideline jumper standing on the three line and taking the quick swing pass from Kobe. He hit the floor to recover a loose ball on the other end. He missed a long pull-up jumper off a busted sequence. Quick first step past his man baseline for a dunk. Feeling it, he sank a pull-up jumper in the corner in early offense. He dunked when his man left him to help on Kobe and Kobe found him. He missed a sideline, quick-fire jumper. He missed a wide open corner three. Bad foul 35 feet from the hoop to give up FTs. He missed an early offense three. He had 10 points on 5-9 shooting in the half. Second Half: He missed an open three from the top of the arc. He was blocked on a dunk attempt from behind. He missed a wing three.

Price -- -- Kobe surround by Hill, Davis, Johnson and Price. I just think this is a mistake by Scott. You’ve got to have balance on both ends. Price played 26 minutes tonight, Lin 20. They combined for 6 points on 2-9 shooting and 7 assists. In the first game of the switch, we’re getting less from both. Well, probably about the same from Ronnie. Asked about the difference for him, “Just playing earlier. That’s it,” he said. He was happy with the Lakers D, effort and focus on that end of the floor. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-4 shooting (1-2 from three) to go with 1 board, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and 1 foul in 26 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He sank a corner three off the Kobe kickout. He missed a sideline three on a quick pop up off the kickout. He passed up an open three, drove and missed the layup. He rejected his man out of bounds on a nice recovery. Second Half: His layup was rejected out of bounds by his man.

Young -- -- “When players see shots not falling, that plays a role,” Nick said of the Lakers lack of energy. His shots certainly weren't falling. The second unit will get better, but their offense was disjointed. Defensively, they now have to deal with Boozer. Good luck. It will be interesting to see how the Lin/Young combo develops...or doesn't. Scott said he's going to give the team another 10 games or so before mixing things up if he needs to. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 3-13 shooting (2-6 from three, 5-6 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist, 1 block, 1 block, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 24 minutes. He was a -11. The Action: He missed an open three a few seconds after entering the game. He missed a wing three next time down. He missed a layup in transition. He missed an elbow jumper. He drew FTs off a hesitation move in transition, he made both FTs. He missed a three on the sideline going down in the process. He missed a wing jumper on iso. He rejected Anderson at the rim. Second Half: He drained a three off a screen, but gave it right back on the other end. He attacked and couldn’t finish at the rim. He attacked across the lane and hit the floater. He missed a two-for-one chuck from three. He and Boozer were guarding the same man in transition and gave up an open three to the one they weren’t covering. He attacked and was stripped, layup the other way. He sank a three off the handoff on the wing. Strong attack down the middle of the lane and he took contact for FTs, he made both. He missed a turnaround from the top of the key, not great shot selection. He filled the lane on the break and drew FTs, he made one. He hit Ellington backdoor for a dunk. He missed a baseline turnaround.

Lin -- -- Some pretty nice defensive rebounding from Lin in the first half of this game. Small thing, but when our guards are in the boarding and helping the bigs that makes a difference. He was mismatched down there several times but came up with the boards. Offensively, the second unit was very disjointed. Lin and Boozer never had great chemistry, so that’s something that needs to be developed. Nick is often freewheeling, so if you are looking for Lin to dominate the ball, you’ve also got to consider Nick will get his share of chucks up as our sixth man. Of course, the move to the bench comes with Davis leaving to play with the starting unit. Fans wanted to see Scott explore that two-man game between the two since they showed some potential in a few preseason games. So we lose that option and have to search for chemistry elsewhere. On the other side of the coin for the starters, you saw the offense bog down. Price is an awful starter. Probably the worst starting PG in the league. In the last game, Lin and Kobe were sharing the court and both able to do their things offensively. You saw Kobe able to rest a few possessions as a result of Lin being aggressive. That should have been explored more instead of ripping it apart again. Now, we heap more on Kobe by moving Lin to the bench. So the question will be how many minutes will Lin play off the bench and to what extent will he play his game when Kobe’s not on the floor. It didn’t happen in this one. He’ll pick it up and find his spots, but switching gears was clunky tonight. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-5 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-3 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 4 assists, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 20 minutes. He was a -9. The Action: Great board on D to take it away from a man with better position. He attacked off the high screen down the middle of the lane for the And-1 layup ending a long stretch of scoreless Laker ball, he made the FT. Great box out again against a bigger man to secure a defensive board on a rotation, so nice. He missed an open wing jumper working off a screen. He got up high again to take another defensive board away from the Pelicans. Davis subbed in and Lin quickly found him with a behind-the-back pass on the baseline under the hoop for the dunk. He pumped the other Davis in the air and drew FTs on the jumper up against the shotclock, he made one. Second Half: He attacked an open lane and choked the layup. He missed a three at the end of the quarter. He kicked out to Ellington for the three. Nice help D challenge to force a miss. He attacked and missed a short one. He saved a ball to ignite a break. He attacked in transition and coughed up the ball.

Boozer -- -- Sitting Boozer made sense. He was horrible defensively. Teams were picking on him and exposing him again and again. He was horrible in transition and never erased mistakes for anyone defensively. It’s easy to look at an opposing PG and blame our PGs for poor defense, but you have to look at how your team defends as a whole. We weren’t supporting our PGs well defensively. If we’re not giving up straight-line drives for scores (PG’s fault), then look at the help D and see what they are doing or not doing. Boozer was constantly caught in bad positions and erased nothing. I couldn’t wait to see him subbed out. In the first half of this he was again giving up dumb scores and led the team with the -10. The hope is, however, that he won’t get picked on quite as long giving up quite as much now that he’s on the bench. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 6-12 shooting to go with 6 boards, 1 assist and 3 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a -15. The Action: He missed a point-blank putback in transition. He missed a 17-footer off the split play. He missed a turnaround in the post. He dunked off the Ellington two-man game to start the quarter. Sad D and he gave up an open three to Anderson on iso, got to take that away from him first, don’t sag off. He iso’d on the other end and swished the pull-up from 14 feet. Another Pelican score attacking Boozer. He missed an elbow pull-up jumper. He bullied his way to a layup in the paint. Anderson scored another three and we called a timeout, sigh. Bad angle, then he fouled on a turnaround jumper on a shove and had to sit. Back in with Hill’s foul trouble and he was blocked from behind on the break. He missed an open baseline jumper. He had 6 points on 3-9 shooting and 5 boards (he led the team with a -10). Second Half: He backed his man down and scored easily in the paint. Uggh, horrible two-man D looking like he was switching, then vacating and leaving a wide open lane. He faced up and hit the wing jumper. He swished an elbow jumper.

Clarkson -- -- Hey some garbage minutes for Clarkson. They let him be the PG for a few sets. Hopefully, he’s developing in practice because we’re not finding him any time on court. The Stats: He didn’t shoot or score, had 1 board, 1 assist and 1 turnover in 2 minutes. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: He threw a pass out of bounds. He found Ellington open for the wing three. He attacked and hit Davis for FTs.

Ellington -- -- I was hoping to see the Ellington/Boozer two-man game with frequency. I think they had just one sequence of that and it led to a dunk. These two will have chemistry if we milk that more. Good minutes from Wayne, sinking both the threes he took and hustling. He’s kind of giving us that production Meeks gave us in his first year before elevating his game. He was hitting well from around the perimeter. We have these set plays for him that don’t require a playing making PG. Hopefully, we also see some creativity to get him some looks with Lin now on that second unit. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-7 shooting (2-2 from three) to go with 1 board, 1 assist and no fouls in 16 minutes. He was a +1. The Action: He hit Boozer for a dunk working the two-man game to start the quarter (more please). He missed a turnaround jumper coming off the pindown. He tucked the ball under his arm and missed the floater on the drive. Second Half: He swished a wing three on a kickout from Lin. He sank a wing pull-up on his next look to force a timeout. He cut backdoor, took the pass, hung around a help defender for a beat and dunked. He swished a wide open wing three coming off the screens. He missed a wing jumper.

Sacre -- -- After his brickfest the previous game, Sacre reeled it in tonight. Very few notes for him, which is typically not a great thing…but he had a lot of negative notes in the last one, so maybe this is improvement. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 2 boards, 1 steal and no fouls in 17 minutes. He was a -1. The Action: He missed an open 16-footer straight away. Second Half: He iso’d, attacked, spun, up-faked and dunked.

Scott -- -- The Lakers offense with this new lineup predictably fails them out of the gates and they trailed 14-7 midway through the quarter. No offensive punch… With 4:35 left, down 3 he brought in Boozer and Young for Hill and Johnson… He brought in Lin for Price and Sacre for Davis a minute later, the Lakers trailing 18-13... Kobe out, Ellington in in the final minute… The Lakers trailed 22-16 after the first quarter, shooting just 25%... Sacre, Boozer, Young, Ellington and Lin. Boozer horrible defensively and we fall back by 10 as his man hits two threes and they attack him to collapse the D for another easy score… Boozer finally picked up two fouls and Scott sat him for Davis down 9 with 7:45 left… He sat Lin, Ellington and Young for Kobe, Price and Johnson to bring the starters back in midway through the quarter… Boozer out with fouls… Hill picks up his third and Boozer had to come back in with the Lakers down 7 with just under 5 minutes left… The Lakers trailed 50-40 at the half. No offense with the lineup changes so far in the half. Lakers shot 33% in the first half… Offense sputtering again and Kobe is looking a little irked and starting to get more aggressive with so-so results… He brought in Young for Johnson… The Lakers trailed by 11 with 3:17 when a timeout came. He brought in Lin and Boozer out of that… Deathly quiet in Staples right now… Shortly later Boo’s… The Lakers trailed 79-59 heading into the fourth quarter… He started the Sacre, Boozer, Young, Ellington, Lin lineup… A 10-0 run for the Lakers to cut the lead to 83-69 and force a timeout… Out of that timeout, the Pelicans tried to iso on Boozer and we got a stop. (Good job, but you can see an opponent’s intention)… Down 94-78 with 5 minutes left Scott called timeout to get some starters back in… Wholesale change, sitting everyone but Young to bring the starters back in… Wes back in a few seconds later. Lakers down 15… Lakers down by 19 with 3 minutes left. Bring in Clarkson, please… Clarkson, Sacre, Davis, Wes and Ellington in for the rest of the game a minute later… Rather than infuse some life in the team with the changes, the life looks a little sucked out of them… The Lakers shot 40% for the night, the Pelicans 52%...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:04 pm    Post subject:

“Our will was just kind of gone because we weren’t making enough shots,” Scott said.

Who did he think was going to make those shots?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:06 pm    Post subject:

SweetP wrote:
“Our will was just kind of gone because we weren’t making enough shots,” Scott said.


Who did he think was going to make those shots?


his ronnie price of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:08 pm    Post subject: Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!

Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:11 pm    Post subject:

SweetP wrote:
“Our will was just kind of gone because we weren’t making enough shots,” Scott said.

Who did he think was going to make those shots?


When you made more shots, you got benched!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject:

Has a coach ever gotten a LOL as their rating before? Ahhhh...goodness...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!

xiaozhugong wrote:
Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!



Thanks for the video. I'm glad I wasn't the only one saying Lin played pretty good D this game.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Moving Lin to bench is not a smart move! Agree with DB that the offense will sucks much more. With Swaggy in the second unit Lin is not playing to his strength either. Lin+Davis have very nice chemistry in offense and defend pnr much better than Lin+Boozer. Playing Lin and Davis together more will help reduce Kobe's load and be more efficient. With this current change, however, Kobe will be play more/work harder and Lin < 20 minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject:

too bad Scott is sticking with the new starting lineup for the next 10-15 games. Maybe he's seeing if he can top his 26 game losing streak with the Cavs.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject:

the defense is marginally better because of davis (not price), but now your offense is god awful...going be ugly watching price start for 15-20 games. lol!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject:

TDRock wrote:
Has a coach ever gotten a LOL as their rating before? Ahhhh...goodness...


It's either that or

I'm glad he got Boozer out of the starting unit, though. So I probably should have thrown a in there. Mission accomplished in that front.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject:

i_am_luv_sic wrote:
the defense is marginally better because of davis (not price), but now your offense is god awful...going be ugly watching price start for 15-20 games. lol!


We get addition by subtraction by losing Boozer...but we get subtraction by addition by adding Price.

The D should be better because of Davis. He will erase or alter a few shots that would have been easier scores around Boozer. But now we're asking Kobe to shoulder even more load for the offense and if he doesn't who on that starting unit is going to fill the void?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
i_am_luv_sic wrote:
the defense is marginally better because of davis (not price), but now your offense is god awful...going be ugly watching price start for 15-20 games. lol!


We get addition by subtraction by losing Boozer...but we get subtraction by addition by adding Price.

The D should be better because of Davis. He will erase or alter a few shots that would have been easier scores around Boozer. But now we're asking Kobe to shoulder even more load for the offense and if he doesn't who on that starting unit is going to fill the void?


Is Price really a better defense player than Lin? I couldn't tell.
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lakerpr wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
i_am_luv_sic wrote:
the defense is marginally better because of davis (not price), but now your offense is god awful...going be ugly watching price start for 15-20 games. lol!


We get addition by subtraction by losing Boozer...but we get subtraction by addition by adding Price.

The D should be better because of Davis. He will erase or alter a few shots that would have been easier scores around Boozer. But now we're asking Kobe to shoulder even more load for the offense and if he doesn't who on that starting unit is going to fill the void?


Is Price really a better defense player than Lin? I couldn't tell.


only in the eyes of Scott...and unfortunately that's all that matters.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject:

thanks, DB... really appreciate your work...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:41 pm    Post subject:

SweetP wrote:
“Our will was just kind of gone because we weren’t making enough shots,” Scott said.

Who did he think was going to make those shots?


Everybody on this forum knew this new starting lineup was going to suck on offense before the game started. Is Byron really this obtuse?

Byron is the one who should be getting all the boo's. He had no idea how to run this team and for someone who told the world that he was going to emphasize defense, Byron is looking like an idiot.

I couldn't remember the last time Lakers had an interior defense as bad as this one. This is just frustrating to watch.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:42 pm    Post subject:

THX DB. GO LAKERS
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:08 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB, feel sorry that you had to write your thoughts & rating after a game like that. If you didn't feel like writing one we'd understand.

This game was pretty unwatchable. We used to have bad defense, now we have bad offense too. It was a winnable game, the Pelicans were bad but we were worse
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:13 pm    Post subject:

It'so only game. As BS says, give it 10 games. 5-26
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:16 pm    Post subject:

Phillycheese wrote:
It'so only game. As BS says, give it 10 games. 5-26


Imo he will probably change it up when its 6-70.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:18 pm    Post subject:

Yes, DB, I agree with your assessment about the moves.

Scott has to abandon his idea of a PG and accept a lot of PGs are combo guards now. Lin is one of them. All he needed to do was move Boozer to the bench, not Lin. Price is a barely acceptable backup, more of an emergency 3rd PG and he's starting. Yeah Lin isn't the best for the system but he was improving up to the Minny game, had 18/11 with 4 steals and Byron started complaining about him and then Kobe plays point in the Raptors game. After that he was confused because actually looking for his shot is what improved his PG play. He wasn't shooting enough and looking to involve his team mates too much, forcing passes or passing up shots that presented themselves.

Davis had a nice game and it is very encouraging that he picked up no fouls. If he can keep his fouls down, he's a truly missing piece.

But the jump shot clank-fest, lack of ball movement has to go. The offense is terrible. The defense with Ed there gives up much less in the paint but the 3-ball defense is still horrible. It's a closer game if Lin started but still an L because Kobe plays too long, there are too many jump shots and not enough easy baskets, and the defense still isn't great at PnR defense. Also Davis is really great. He didn't have a monster game but Lakers will still beat soundly.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject:

Hurrican wrote:
Phillycheese wrote:
It'so only game. As BS says, give it 10 games. 5-26


Imo he will probably change it up when its 6-70.


Just wondering, how many games can change the coach?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject:

fafan wrote:
Hurrican wrote:
Phillycheese wrote:
It'so only game. As BS says, give it 10 games. 5-26


Imo he will probably change it up when its 6-70.


Just wondering, how many games can change the coach?


5 games
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:37 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:10 am    Post subject:

lakerpr wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
i_am_luv_sic wrote:
the defense is marginally better because of davis (not price), but now your offense is god awful...going be ugly watching price start for 15-20 games. lol!


We get addition by subtraction by losing Boozer...but we get subtraction by addition by adding Price.

The D should be better because of Davis. He will erase or alter a few shots that would have been easier scores around Boozer. But now we're asking Kobe to shoulder even more load for the offense and if he doesn't who on that starting unit is going to fill the void?


Is Price really a better defense player than Lin? I couldn't tell.


I think at most, Price is only marginally better than Lin at D. Lin is actually arguably better, at least on par.
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