More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach.
Who is saying ignore bad defense? All I've been talking about for weeks is the bad defense. But you also have to strike a balance because this is a two-way game.
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:02 am Post subject: Re: PELICANS -at- LAKERS - 12-7-14 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings
DancingBarry wrote:
In his search for D, Scott bored fans to death with no offense. The Staples crowd was deathly quiet, then fell into “boo’s” late in the game as the Lakers lost 104-87.
The Lakers literally put me to sleep. Last I remember the game was in the 2nd qtr and I had a sinking disappointment in how boring the Lakers were.
Thanks DB for letting me know I made the best use of my time...
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
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I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
Lin has no choice. He was told not to push it by Byron Scott. Here's the post game interview by Kobe and he speaks about the Lin and Boozer benching.
Bottom line is that Byron Scott does not think Lin does good clock management as a point guard and is lost on defensive rotations. Easy to blame the guard when your bigs are not helping out on defense. Clock management means running the clock down to 10 seconds before running the play.
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up their game and consistently attack the basket. They have the abilities. It is just that they seem to lack the mental toughness.
Last edited by nshidbaby on Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:36 am; edited 1 time in total
When your team's guards dont slash, bigs dont roll, and coaches dont run plays and your entire offense just free wheeling, isos, or stay still and wait for pops. You are not going to get any assists, and you are not going to get in any momentum. Often time we see Lin goes on a nice run and the momentum just stops and there are no movement when Kobe gets the ball.
Lin should not be on the bench, Ed Davis needs someone to penetrate and create for him, Lin and Davis gives you that synergy, and that would really ease the load off of Kobe.
The starting units you have now you have no offensive threat other than Kobe, you have also messed up spacing since Price doesn't need to be guarded
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up there game and attack the basket. They have the skills. It is just that mental toughness it seems they are lacking.
That's because this is what Byron Scott wants. Not because of what Jeremy Lin wants. If Jeremy got to play the way he wanted, he'd be dribbling down the court, with a high pick and roll and dribbling through the seam to get to the basket. Byron wants this offense to be slow.
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: Re: PELICANS -at- LAKERS - 12-7-14 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings
Lakers#1Team wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
In his search for D, Scott bored fans to death with no offense. The Staples crowd was deathly quiet, then fell into “boo’s” late in the game as the Lakers lost 104-87.
The Lakers literally put me to sleep. Last I remember the game was in the 2nd qtr and I had a sinking disappointment in how boring the Lakers were.
Thanks DB for letting me know I made the best use of my time...
I was noticing just how quiet Staples was, then it was confirmed by the announcers shortly later and then after that you had the boo's. The team was lifeless. No one providing any spark on either end of the court.
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up there game and attack the basket. They have the skills. It is just that mental toughness it seems they are lacking.
That's because this is what Byron Scott wants. Not because of what Jeremy Lin wants. If Jeremy got to play the way he wanted, he'd be dribbling down the court, with a high pick and roll and dribbling through the seam to get to the basket. Byron wants this offense to be slow.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up there game and attack the basket. They have the skills. It is just that mental toughness it seems they are lacking.
That's because this is what Byron Scott wants. Not because of what Jeremy Lin wants. If Jeremy got to play the way he wanted, he'd be dribbling down the court, with a high pick and roll and dribbling through the seam to get to the basket. Byron wants this offense to be slow.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
#realeffortnoexcuses
"I'm from Houston...."
If you know his game, you would know he plays in a high octane, run and gun offense, obvious. So why no Lin with Davis is blatantly stupid. Move Lin to bench but keep Davis there, or vice versa.
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up there game and attack the basket. They have the skills. It is just that mental toughness it seems they are lacking.
That's because this is what Byron Scott wants. Not because of what Jeremy Lin wants. If Jeremy got to play the way he wanted, he'd be dribbling down the court, with a high pick and roll and dribbling through the seam to get to the basket. Byron wants this offense to be slow.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
#realeffortnoexcuses
"I'm from Houston...."
If you know his game, you would know he plays in a high octane, run and gun offense, obvious. So why no Lin with Davis is blatantly stupid. Move Lin to bench but keep Davis there, or vice versa.
I just meant I saw Lin play indecisive multiple times live in person. He even admitted his hesitant and indecisive play back when he was first with the Knicks. This is the same thing that Byron and Kobe spoke of Lin in many post game interviews. It's not a knock on Lin, just one of his weaknesses that needs to be worked on.
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court when we are down as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Lin never took his starting position for granted. What did he do in the Boston game where he played so few minutes. Did he not attack? What did it get him?
When Lin pushes the ball he had to wait for the rest of the team to catch up, you don't think Lin wanted to push it? How much have you seen of Lin with other teams? That's his game.
I think Boozer is just a bad defender, he tried on offense but he is just a poor defender. And Ronnie simply is not the defender Byron thinks he is. He does some good things in small spurts but put him out there for a good amount of minutes and he's exposed.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up there game and attack the basket. They have the skills. It is just that mental toughness it seems they are lacking.
That's because this is what Byron Scott wants. Not because of what Jeremy Lin wants. If Jeremy got to play the way he wanted, he'd be dribbling down the court, with a high pick and roll and dribbling through the seam to get to the basket. Byron wants this offense to be slow.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
#realeffortnoexcuses
"I'm from Houston...."
If you know his game, you would know he plays in a high octane, run and gun offense, obvious. So why no Lin with Davis is blatantly stupid. Move Lin to bench but keep Davis there, or vice versa.
I just meant I saw Lin play indecisive multiple times live in person. He even admitted his hesitant and indecisive play back when he was first with the Knicks. This is the same thing that Byron and Kobe spoke of Lin in many post game interviews. It's not a knock on Lin, just one of his weaknesses that needs to be worked on.
I can agree he is indecisive at times. But we're not particularly speaking of him, but the team as a whole and how they all fit in. Boggles the mind on the coach's decisions, really.
This is about playing hard and with intensity. Lin slows down the game to a pace he can handle at times and ends up wasting the shot clock. Don't get me wrong, he does have game and can score. But the mistakes he and Boozer makes offensively and defensively comes more from apprehension and the lack of focus and/or desire to win.
Ronnie just came back from a suspension from playing a little too hard for crying out loud. He is out there for his toughness, and so is Ed Davis. This is something you can build on...you can't build on consistently weak play from Boozer and Lin. Both Boozer and Lin need to speed up there game and attack the basket. They have the skills. It is just that mental toughness it seems they are lacking.
That's because this is what Byron Scott wants. Not because of what Jeremy Lin wants. If Jeremy got to play the way he wanted, he'd be dribbling down the court, with a high pick and roll and dribbling through the seam to get to the basket. Byron wants this offense to be slow.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
#realeffortnoexcuses
yeah, I've got to jump in here. I'm not usually one to defend Lin "come what may," but he started 82 games for Houston that first year after leaving the Knicks, and that was a fun, fast-paced, playoffs-bound team all season long. In contrast, the moment Dwight Howard showed up, the offense slowed to allow for Dwight's post play, and Lin had difficulty adapting. The Rockets team in 2012-13 was much more fun to watch than that of 2013-14. So I'd have to imagine that the pressure here to similarly slow down the offense is not something exclusively of his doing. Whether it's to protect Kobe's legs or whatever, it's the coaching staff who implements the overall game plan. All else being equal, I think Lin would prefer a faster tempo and more of a run and gun style of play.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
#realeffortnoexcuses
I've seen all of Lin's games in NY, HOU, and LA, and Lin in general tries to push the pace to a high speed offense. In LA, I've noticed that he slows the offense down if the opponent's defense is already back and set. This is probably because there's no point in pushing the pace when the defense is set and also because you can't turn Boozer, Hill, and Kobe into a fast-paced offense.
Byron has KILLED the Lakers by not reeling Kobe in (i.e., not lowering his minutes and his crazy chuck mode), starting Boozer, and not letting Lin play more minutes. Benching Boozer was a good move but starting Price at the expense of Lin's minutes is a step back. When Kobe was in distribution mode, the Lakers played better.
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: PELICANS -at- LAKERS - 12-7-14 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings
DancingBarry wrote:
Lakers#1Team wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
In his search for D, Scott bored fans to death with no offense. The Staples crowd was deathly quiet, then fell into “boo’s” late in the game as the Lakers lost 104-87.
The Lakers literally put me to sleep. Last I remember the game was in the 2nd qtr and I had a sinking disappointment in how boring the Lakers were.
Thanks DB for letting me know I made the best use of my time...
I was noticing just how quiet Staples was, then it was confirmed by the announcers shortly later and then after that you had the boo's. The team was lifeless. No one providing any spark on either end of the court.
If the whole team is lifeless, does that not reflect something wrong the coach is doing? That's my theory.
I'm from Houston, seen Jeremy Lin play in Houston and in New York. I've consistently watched Boozer play in Chicago. This is about focus and energy. Lin is the only one of our guard that walks the ball down the court so slowly. Kobe had to take the ball out of his hands at times because of his indecisiveness and slow play.
BS is not stopping Boozer or Lin or anyone else on this team from giving effort. Boozer's lack of defense was masked when he played on a great defensive team in Chicago. Lin's effectiveness was masked in a shoot friendly D'Antoni offense in New York and stacked team in Houston. Stop making excuses for lack of effort. No one is stopping Lin or Boozer from shining. This is in fact a great time to shine if you are either one of them.
#realeffortnoexcuses
I've seen all of Lin's games in NY, HOU, and LA, and Lin in general tries to push the pace to a high speed offense. In LA, I've noticed that he slows the offense down if the opponent's defense is already back and set. This is probably because there's no point in pushing the pace when the defense is set and also because you can't turn Boozer, Hill, and Kobe into a fast-paced offense.
Byron has KILLED the Lakers by not reeling Kobe in (i.e., not lowering his minutes and his crazy chuck mode), starting Boozer, and not letting Lin play more minutes. Benching Boozer was a good move but starting Price at the expense of Lin's minutes is a step back. When Kobe was in distribution mode, the Lakers played better.
Both Lin and Kobe played well in the Clippers and Minnesota games (both didn't finish so well in the Minnesota game, Lin before the benching the final minutes). Whatever combination of shots, facilitation sharing, offensive schemes they did in those two games, and plus their shots were falling pretty well, should have been a base going forward imo.
I hate to break it to a lot of ppl but Byron is taking the right approach. One of the biggest problems with this Laker team is chemistry and defense. The defense is not so much related to chemistry but with a lack of individual effort and commitment. This is what Kobe was talking about in the post game. This predicament will reveal which players have what it takes to lead this team. Leading takes real effort on the defensive end, not just offensively. This is not a knock on Lin or Boozer, but only by shaking up this lineup early in the season will you find out who are truly the leaders of this team.
A great example of a winner is MWP. He gave great effort game after game even when he was struggling offensively, starting or coming off the bench. More than anything needed in this game was defensive stops and points off turnovers. Trying to outscore teams and ignoring the lack of defense is more ignorant than calling BS a bad coach. People forgot about him turning around a bad Nets team years ago and making multiple Finals appearances. The only fault on BS is that he has been taking jobs where it was expected for him to turn around bad teams without better player personnel.
We need winners on this team...and those who want to win will do what it takes to win...and those players should get the starting gig. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.
Who's calling for outscoring teams? Who's ignoring the lack of defense? Why did you ignore all the posts to set up your own strawman? What Byron did was put in a starting lineup of mostly players that don't play good defense and told them that their jobs were safe for 20 games. And then now he's doing it again. He should have benched Boozer for Davis starting from the first game or preseason.
BS told everyone weeks ago that he would shake up the lineups because some players thought that they deserved to be in the starting lineup without justification. Yes the Lakers would have fared better offensively against Pels with Lin and Boozer in the starting lineup, but this is about going forward, not just about one game. This is what everyone is complaining about in this thread, us scoring.
It would be smarter for BS to shake up the lineup now and find better defensive squads. If Lin and Boozer want the starting spot, pick up their D and offensive attack, and they will get them back no problem.
Some players in this starting lineup are missing shots, yes, but their will to win is much higher than others. Boozer is just out there. Both Lin and Boozer can score, but a lot of times they don't give consistent offensive or defensive effort to change the outcome of the game. Lin literally walks the ball down the court as if we are up by 30 points. Boozer can ball but just seems lazy throughout the game.
Benching should bring out the competitive nature in great players. If not, then...
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!
xiaozhugong wrote:
Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!
thanks for sharing.
when price starts, kobe doesnt have any offensive threts to pass to so all players can load up on him. wes ronnie..those guys cant do anything. so i think it was a bad choice to have him there. at least put nick with kobe and wesley ont eh 2nd unit and keep eddavis tehre too
i dunno - it goes to show how bad that line up is too...lol i like it more when kobe is a facilitator and runs 1-2 pnr with lin to open up the floor. man i think BS is really just wanting to tank, or is he really this bad of a coach. _________________ “We do have a lot in common.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: PELICANS -at- LAKERS - 12-7-14 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings
bws94 wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
Lakers#1Team wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
In his search for D, Scott bored fans to death with no offense. The Staples crowd was deathly quiet, then fell into “boo’s” late in the game as the Lakers lost 104-87.
The Lakers literally put me to sleep. Last I remember the game was in the 2nd qtr and I had a sinking disappointment in how boring the Lakers were.
Thanks DB for letting me know I made the best use of my time...
I was noticing just how quiet Staples was, then it was confirmed by the announcers shortly later and then after that you had the boo's. The team was lifeless. No one providing any spark on either end of the court.
If the whole team is lifeless, does that not reflect something wrong the coach is doing? That's my theory.
I think you could pick any reason and probably right. From management, coaches, team leaders, players.
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in there. Mission accomplished in that front.
