Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:49 am Post subject: The NBA has become a joke
With the new CBA, if a team is not a championship contender, they're blowing up the team and tanking. Every team has realized "middle of the pack" is the worst possible position to be in so you see more and more teams with horrible records with a few teams at the top. Its a joke.
Even teams like the Lakers won't even put a mediocre team out there to preserve cap space to land multiple superstars and most teams are following this model.
Gut the team and rebuild cheap in the draft and have a crappy team all season to preserve cap space while hoping for more ping pong balls.
With all the new restrictions, everyone is going cheap and has turned the NBA into a cheap product all around. I can't stand what the Lakers have become because of it. Its understandable what teams are trying to do, but CBA has turned it into a joke. My loyalty will always be to the Lakers but I've pretty much tuned out of NBA basketball, specially seeing what other teams like the 76ers are doing, its an embarrassment. No effort to even hide the fact they don't want to try to put anything competative out there and Silver condoning it as rebuilding. I'm turned off by so many garbage teams out there, I don't want to waste 2.5 hours of my life repeatedly anymore for no entertainment value.
4 games under .500 gets you into the playoffs in the east.
NBA has to get rid of 6 teams and make the season 65 games.
It's unfortunate that the NBA shot down the proposal to replace the lottery with the wheel. That would have been a genuine long-term solution to the tanking problem. The failure of that proposal tells us that the NBA wants tanking to be an option, though perhaps not to the extreme of the Sixers.
It's unfortunate that the NBA shot down the proposal to replace the lottery with the wheel. That would have been a genuine long-term solution to the tanking problem. The failure of that proposal tells us that the NBA wants tanking to be an option, though perhaps not to the extreme of the Sixers.
The problem with the wheel is that not every number one pick is created equal. Some years you get Anthony Davis. Some years you get Anthony Bennett.
It's unfortunate that the NBA shot down the proposal to replace the lottery with the wheel. That would have been a genuine long-term solution to the tanking problem. The failure of that proposal tells us that the NBA wants tanking to be an option, though perhaps not to the extreme of the Sixers.
The problem with the wheel is that not every number one pick is created equal. Some years you get Anthony Davis. Some years you get Anthony Bennett.
Well thats called bad scouting. If you're given the number 1 pick and you select that guy, then your franchise deserves to be rock bottom.
It's unfortunate that the NBA shot down the proposal to replace the lottery with the wheel. That would have been a genuine long-term solution to the tanking problem. The failure of that proposal tells us that the NBA wants tanking to be an option, though perhaps not to the extreme of the Sixers.
I read somewhere that Sam Presti spearheaded the last minute charge against the proposals. He argued that small market teams could not reload without an ability to tank. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:44 am Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
It's unfortunate that the NBA shot down the proposal to replace the lottery with the wheel. That would have been a genuine long-term solution to the tanking problem. The failure of that proposal tells us that the NBA wants tanking to be an option, though perhaps not to the extreme of the Sixers.
I read somewhere that Sam Presti spearheaded the last minute charge against the proposals. He argued that small market teams could not reload without an ability to tank.
Naturally. His team may very well be doing this in 2 -3 seasons. _________________ We back.
This certainly needs to be fixed, although contracting teams and shortening the season wouldn't do it. This is the slowest era of expansion in NBA history, with the league expanding by just 1 team in nearly the last 20 years, with no plans for expansion on the horizon. The league is brimming with talent more than it ever has. If anything, it needs to expand.
I was very disappointed that the lottery reforms weren't adopted. As a fan of a team in that position, I my fanhood is constantly battling with my pragmatism. Like the other night against Sacramento, for example. I want to be able to cheer like hell when my team does well, without feeling twinges of guilt because it's not what's best for them in the long wrong.
It's unfortunate that the NBA shot down the proposal to replace the lottery with the wheel. That would have been a genuine long-term solution to the tanking problem. The failure of that proposal tells us that the NBA wants tanking to be an option, though perhaps not to the extreme of the Sixers.
The problem with the wheel is that not every number one pick is created equal. Some years you get Anthony Davis. Some years you get Anthony Bennett.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:35 pm Post subject:
Tie the lottery into revenue sharing. If you are in the lottery 3 years, you get 60% of your revenue funds. 4 years, 30%. 5 years, 0. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Tie the lottery into revenue sharing. If you are in the lottery 3 years, you get 60% of your revenue funds. 4 years, 30%. 5 years, 0.
Dude this.
I can't help but think that teams aren't even TRYING at this point because of revenue sharing. No incentive. At least before, mediocrity for the vast majority of the NBA wasn't such a bad thing as the extra revenue from a playoff appearance (even a first round knockout) made it relatively worthwhile.
Now these sons of (bleep) are being paid by us to steal our lottery position.
Draft set up isnt the problem in the NBA. It's undeveloped players coming in that have no fundamentals and need 3 to 4 years to become productive difference makers in the league. The NBA needs to institute the 3 year out of high school set up in the NBA so the players can develop and once they get drafted, they are coming in wrecking shop right away.
Draft set up isnt the problem in the NBA. It's undeveloped players coming in that have no fundamentals and need 3 to 4 years to become productive difference makers in the league. The NBA needs to institute the 3 year out of high school set up in the NBA so the players can develop and once they get drafted, they are coming in wrecking shop right away.
Eh. This gets into the whole college debate. Set up a bona fide minor league system that pays kids a decent salary, and I'm interested. Tell kids that they have to play for free in college instead of making the money that the NBA teams would willingly pay them, and I'm not on board. More importantly, the union isn't on board.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:31 pm Post subject:
jonnybravo wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Tie the lottery into revenue sharing. If you are in the lottery 3 years, you get 60% of your revenue funds. 4 years, 30%. 5 years, 0.
Dude this.
I can't help but think that teams aren't even TRYING at this point because of revenue sharing. No incentive. At least before, mediocrity for the vast majority of the NBA wasn't such a bad thing as the extra revenue from a playoff appearance (even a first round knockout) made it relatively worthwhile.
Now these sons of (bleep) are being paid by us to steal our lottery position.
Tie the lottery into revenue sharing. If you are in the lottery 3 years, you get 60% of your revenue funds. 4 years, 30%. 5 years, 0.
Dude this.
I can't help but think that teams aren't even TRYING at this point because of revenue sharing. No incentive. At least before, mediocrity for the vast majority of the NBA wasn't such a bad thing as the extra revenue from a playoff appearance (even a first round knockout) made it relatively worthwhile.
Now these sons of (bleep) are being paid by us to steal our lottery position.
It amazes me that Philly has fans attend their games.
Draft set up isnt the problem in the NBA. It's undeveloped players coming in that have no fundamentals and need 3 to 4 years to become productive difference makers in the league. The NBA needs to institute the 3 year out of high school set up in the NBA so the players can develop and once they get drafted, they are coming in wrecking shop right away.
How does creating more NBA ready players de-incentivize tanking?
Draft set up isnt the problem in the NBA. It's undeveloped players coming in that have no fundamentals and need 3 to 4 years to become productive difference makers in the league. The NBA needs to institute the 3 year out of high school set up in the NBA so the players can develop and once they get drafted, they are coming in wrecking shop right away.
How does creating more NBA ready players de-incentivize tanking?
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:54 pm Post subject:
I love how they whined so much about parity and how they wanted every team in the league to be competitive, yet, every year since, there have only been 3-4 teams that have had a realistic shot at winning the title, "tanking" has been rampant, the Eastern Conference has been as abysmal as it's ever been, and we've had to sit through 4 straight finals with Lebron in it.
I love how they whined so much about parity and how they wanted every team in the league to be competitive, yet, every year since, there have only been 3-4 teams that have had a realistic shot at winning the title, "tanking" has been rampant, the Eastern Conference has been as abysmal as it's ever been, and we've had to sit through 4 straight finals with Lebron in it.
They're making a ton of money, and about to make a ton more. They're undoubtedly pleased with how things are going.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject:
GoldenThroat wrote:
Lakers95 wrote:
I love how they whined so much about parity and how they wanted every team in the league to be competitive, yet, every year since, there have only been 3-4 teams that have had a realistic shot at winning the title, "tanking" has been rampant, the Eastern Conference has been as abysmal as it's ever been, and we've had to sit through 4 straight finals with Lebron in it.
They're making a ton of money, and about to make a ton more. They're undoubtedly pleased with how things are going.
Absolutely. It's just frustrating how it comes at the cost of a balanced league.
Teams tank because they can have a cheap salary while the owners make millions. Donald Sterling may be the smartest owner in NBA history. He made millions each year, by putting a garbage product out there, then sold the team for billions. So there's that carrot for owners too.
But really, tanking in order to get a superstar is pretty dumb. It either takes 5+ years to build a team around them or they end up bolting to another team just when they're hitting their prime.
Draft set up isnt the problem in the NBA. It's undeveloped players coming in that have no fundamentals and need 3 to 4 years to become productive difference makers in the league. The NBA needs to institute the 3 year out of high school set up in the NBA so the players can develop and once they get drafted, they are coming in wrecking shop right away.
How does creating more NBA ready players de-incentivize tanking?
Yeah that has nothing to do with tanking.
Yes it does. If you have have 5-6 players that are seasoned, ready to make an impact players in each year in the draft, you dont have to tank to try and get into the top 2 or 3.
The reason why tanking happens isnt that the nba or draft incentivizes tanking, the nba draft is the least tank friendly of the drafting systems (the nhl has adopted it in the same structure), it's that basketball does it.
The nba more than any other sport has the needle shifted by individual players, so teams aim to maximize their chance at said players, and realistically any attempt at completely removing it would hurt the overall league more than help it.
The issue the nba is having with philly isn't that it's happening, it's that they're blatantly waving it in everyone's face, and at the same time, by doing it so overtly will generally mean you will do it better than anyone trying to stealth tank because they can make decisions the others can't to stack their odds _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong
Yes it does. If you have have 5-6 players that are seasoned, ready to make an impact players in each year in the draft, you dont have to tank to try and get into the top 2 or 3.
If that was true, then the top picks in the draft would be the NBA ready players, not the projects like Wiggins and Parker.
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