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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:03 am    Post subject:

Truth is Kobe is tired and everybody but B.Scott knows it. No player 36 yrs old should be playing 35+ minutes a night. If you're gonna play him that much at least give him a 2nd night of a back2back off here and there. At this rate he'll run kobe into the ground by all star break.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:16 am    Post subject:

If Kobe is tired, then he should stop trying to chuck up nasty shots with no lift while stalling for 5-10 seconds of the shot clock ticks off.

I'd rather have Charmin right now than this cardboard paper towel garbage. 3-15 and killed all the momentum. Funny thing is he is right: we're better than this, but a lot of it has to do with nasty shot selection by him and a few others at times. He commands so much attention at times which can help all our Charmin players (as it did at various parts of the game).

Truth is regardless of paper towel's attention, ball should have went through Charmin down the stretch as it did when we came back. Ellington stepped up which was nice to see both on O and D, J Lin was breaking down the D and pushing the tempo, and Boozer helped despite getting stuffed a couple of times. Kobe on the other hand froze the ball, alienated others, played horrible D tonight and had no lift on his shot. No excuse.

Oh and what kind of horrible questions in post-game? Here's a few better ones - Hey Kobe: Why do you keep referring to 5 rings as your out any time someone calls your current game out? Another one: How do you feel about shooting the most in the entire league despite being really old, having a horrible FG % and playing the 15th most in the league coming off 2 years of injuries?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject:

lakern8 wrote:
If Kobe is tired, then he should stop trying to chuck up nasty shots with no lift while stalling for 5-10 seconds of the shot clock ticks off.

I'd rather have Charmin right now than this cardboard paper towel garbage. 3-15 and killed all the momentum. Funny thing is he is right: we're better than this, but a lot of it has to do with nasty shot selection by him and a few others at times. He commands so much attention at times which can help all our Charmin players (as it did at various parts of the game).

Truth is regardless of paper towel's attention, ball should have went through Charmin down the stretch as it did when we came back. Ellington stepped up which was nice to see both on O and D, J Lin was breaking down the D and pushing the tempo, and Boozer helped despite getting stuffed a couple of times. Kobe on the other hand froze the ball, alienated others, played horrible D tonight and had no lift on his shot. No excuse.

Oh and what kind of horrible questions in post-game? Here's a few better ones - Hey Kobe: Why do you keep referring to 5 rings as your out any time someone calls your current game out? Another one: How do you feel about shooting the most in the entire league despite being really old, having a horrible FG % and playing the 15th most in the league coming off 2 years of injuries?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:07 am    Post subject:

Kobe is just human and aging. Why didn't BS let them play like they played when they turned around the game with the 2nd unit with Lin attacking. Yet BS went back to an aging Kobe on tough iso which is quite predictable to the thunder defender. Kobe could make the final shot easily before but his legs are no longer able to give him the lift at his age near the end of the game. BS should just tell Kobe to work with screen or just dish out to open guys, or better yet let the pg lead the offense. It has been working in the 4th quarter, so why not in the last few possessions? Kobe's chucking so many inefficient shots on a cold night is just not excusable even for a legend. When you age, you play smart ball and conserve energy by efficiency. This game is on BS & Kobe. The other guys mostly played a great game.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:36 am    Post subject:

This game was winnable. Kobe passes to an open man for a high percentage shot and we win the game. B.Scott isn't in control of this team.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:39 am    Post subject:

lakern8 wrote:
If Kobe is tired, then he should stop trying to chuck up nasty shots with no lift while stalling for 5-10 seconds of the shot clock ticks off.

I'd rather have Charmin right now than this cardboard paper towel garbage. 3-15 and killed all the momentum. Funny thing is he is right: we're better than this, but a lot of it has to do with nasty shot selection by him and a few others at times. He commands so much attention at times which can help all our Charmin players (as it did at various parts of the game).

Truth is regardless of paper towel's attention, ball should have went through Charmin down the stretch as it did when we came back. Ellington stepped up which was nice to see both on O and D, J Lin was breaking down the D and pushing the tempo, and Boozer helped despite getting stuffed a couple of times. Kobe on the other hand froze the ball, alienated others, played horrible D tonight and had no lift on his shot. No excuse.

Oh and what kind of horrible questions in post-game? Here's a few better ones - Hey Kobe: Why do you keep referring to 5 rings as your out any time someone calls your current game out? Another one: How do you feel about shooting the most in the entire league despite being really old, having a horrible FG % and playing the 15th most in the league coming off 2 years of injuries?

Yet he's still better than Lin.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:28 am    Post subject:

Joe Crawford is a clown. He completely changed the game. Flagrant 2? (bleep) you!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:14 am    Post subject:

KLS wrote:
Kobe is just human and aging. Why didn't BS let them play like they played when they turned around the game with the 2nd unit with Lin attacking. Yet BS went back to an aging Kobe on tough iso which is quite predictable to the thunder defender. Kobe could make the final shot easily before but his legs are no longer able to give him the lift at his age near the end of the game. BS should just tell Kobe to work with screen or just dish out to open guys, or better yet let the pg lead the offense. It has been working in the 4th quarter, so why not in the last few possessions? Kobe's chucking so many inefficient shots on a cold night is just not excusable even for a legend. When you age, you play smart ball and conserve energy by efficiency. This game is on BS & Kobe. The other guys mostly played a great game.


Byron Scott's entire system revolves around Kobe. We're starting to see that there is no other plan. Kobe is great but unfortunately still living in the past in terms of his physical limitations.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:19 am    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Joe Crawford is a clown. He completely changed the game. Flagrant 2? (bleep) you!


That was irrelevant--had nothing to do with the loss. Sadly the Lakers were fine until Kobe came back in. On a night in which he clearly doesn't have it it was better of him to draw in defenders and pass. It was working well until BS had them revert to ISO-Hero ball.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject:

Coach BS probably wanted to give Kobe a chance to hit a game winner this season. The game started off with a celebration of his #3 status so had he hit that shot, it would've been the focus rather the 3-15.

In the past everyone knew it was going into Kobe, but pre-injury Kobe could execute the impossible. Now opponents are just waiting for him to get to his spot and hit a bricker.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:53 am    Post subject:

If I were the other team's coach I'd love to see the ball in Kobe's hands with the clock winding down. Stay close enough to the other players so he will not be bailed out and let him chuck. 31% of the time he will hit that long two. I like those odds immensely.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:16 pm    Post subject:

K2 wrote:
Coach BS probably wanted to give Kobe a chance to hit a game winner this season. The game started off with a celebration of his #3 status so had he hit that shot, it would've been the focus rather the 3-15.

In the past everyone knew it was going into Kobe, but pre-injury Kobe could execute the impossible. Now opponents are just waiting for him to get to his spot and hit a bricker.


I think this season is not about winning, because they probably not winning enough game to be relevant. So what else matter? It is about Kobe. What would help BS to keep his job would not be Lin or whoever else on the team hit the game winning shot and win the game. The only thing matter is Kobe hit the game winning shot and become the hero. When Kobe is happy, BS is happy. Nobody else or anything matter.

BS won't be fired if LAL have a bad record because people do not have high expectation with the current roster. But if he makes Kobe upset. He would be in trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:27 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Joe Crawford is a clown. He completely changed the game. Flagrant 2? (bleep) you!

For the 3rd, and hopefully last, time
That call isn't up to Crawford - it's mandated by the league.
Young deliberately swung his elbow back across Adams face, clocking him on the right side of Adams chin. Then, after he brought his arm back down between his body and Adams, he raised his arm and clothes lined Adams across the throat with his forearm

After the Pistons/Artest fight they changed the rules, and then updated them again about 8 years ago. The rules now state that if you deliberately aim to hit another player anywhere above his shoulders that you are automatically ejected. Automatic - in other words, not Crawford's decision.

The league will review that play, and since Young took 2 separate and deliberate shots at Adam's head, I'd bet money that Young will be suspended for extra games.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:47 pm    Post subject:

P.K. wrote:
danzag wrote:
Joe Crawford is a clown. He completely changed the game. Flagrant 2? (bleep) you!

For the 3rd, and hopefully last, time
That call isn't up to Crawford - it's mandated by the league.
Young deliberately swung his elbow back across Adams face, clocking him on the right side of Adams chin. Then, after he brought his arm back down between his body and Adams, he raised his arm and clothes lined Adams across the throat with his forearm

After the Pistons/Artest fight they changed the rules, and then updated them again about 8 years ago. The rules now state that if you deliberately aim to hit another player anywhere above his shoulders that you are automatically ejected. Automatic - in other words, not Crawford's decision.

The league will review that play, and since Young took 2 separate and deliberate shots at Adam's head, I'd bet money that Young will be suspended for extra games.

Too bad the league can't review all the phantom calls Westbrook got to keep the game close in the first half
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:45 pm    Post subject:

altho jlin's stat line looked good, he looks so (bleep) awkward when he shoots/passes, like them connecting is a fluke.

and for those saying "omg why did kobe shoot lin was open", please stop. i would still trust kobe over lin every day, and all you fans would've had pitchfork and torches ready for b.scott if jlin shot it and missed, "omg why did you let a bench player attempt the game winning shot worst coach everrrr".
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject:

ClutchJedi wrote:
altho jlin's stat line looked good, he looks so (bleep) awkward when he shoots/passes, like them connecting is a fluke.

and for those saying "omg why did kobe shoot lin was open", please stop. i would still trust kobe over lin every day, and all you fans would've had pitchfork and torches ready for b.scott if jlin shot it and missed, "omg why did you let a bench player attempt the game winning shot worst coach everrrr".


Congratz on your first post. Makes so much sense. People forget that one gets points for style in bball.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:45 pm    Post subject:

Kobe 'Charmin' Legs Byrant please rest well a
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Avada wrote:
lakern8 wrote:
If Kobe is tired, then he should stop trying to chuck up nasty shots with no lift while stalling for 5-10 seconds of the shot clock ticks off.

I'd rather have Charmin right now than this cardboard paper towel garbage. 3-15 and killed all the momentum. Funny thing is he is right: we're better than this, but a lot of it has to do with nasty shot selection by him and a few others at times. He commands so much attention at times which can help all our Charmin players (as it did at various parts of the game).

Truth is regardless of paper towel's attention, ball should have went through Charmin down the stretch as it did when we came back. Ellington stepped up which was nice to see both on O and D, J Lin was breaking down the D and pushing the tempo, and Boozer helped despite getting stuffed a couple of times. Kobe on the other hand froze the ball, alienated others, played horrible D tonight and had no lift on his shot. No excuse.

Oh and what kind of horrible questions in post-game? Here's a few better ones - Hey Kobe: Why do you keep referring to 5 rings as your out any time someone calls your current game out? Another one: How do you feel about shooting the most in the entire league despite being really old, having a horrible FG % and playing the 15th most in the league coming off 2 years of injuries?

Yet he's still better than Lin.


I'd still prefer Lin with an open medium range 2 or driving lane to the basket than Kobe with a contested long range fallaway jumper. It is and has been a losing formula. One just needs look at stats. Lin is more clutch this year than Bryant and after a 1/4 of the season gone I don't see it changing.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject:

Ossim wrote:
I don't have an issue with Kobe taking the shot, but Scott hasn't event attempted to keep opposing teams honest all season long. They flat out know he is taking the shot and it makes it that much easier to execute the defensive set.


Jerry Rice was arguably the greatest offensive weapon in NFL history. But when the chips were down in that Super Bowl, the 49ers didn't go to him for the final score. They didn't force it to him.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:38 am    Post subject:

Lin made the last FG and was kind of open on the last Kobe shot however I think Lin would not have been ready to take the shot unless Kobe said to Lin, you may get it back, be prepared to knock it down. But, Kobe as decoy or part of the play, even a busted one like when Swaggy made the 3pointer against the Spurs, sometimes is a better option than Kobe taking the shot.
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