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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:45 am    Post subject:

Get rid of BS and rebuild with Lin
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:20 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:55 am    Post subject:

Great analysis as always DB.

Kobe got a great look, I still have confidence he will bury that shot more times than not in that situation.

I of course am torn as one of the LG Tank Commanders, but it is strange to see him scoring 9 pts in a game.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:10 am    Post subject:

LakerEric wrote:
$23,500,000


and another $23,000,000 on Lin and Hill, money well spent.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:17 am    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
Great analysis as always DB.

Kobe got a great look, I still have confidence he will bury that shot more times than not in that situation.

I of course am torn as one of the LG Tank Commanders, but it is strange to see him scoring 9 pts in a game.


Kobe seemed to have tired legs. His shots were short.

I think he played too many minutes and paid a toll for that.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:21 pm    Post subject:

catman2u wrote:
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You gotta love BS...qualifies Lin's game with "couple of dumb mistakes".. Really coach? Can we go through the laundry list of "dumb" mistakes by the rest of your team...
Great overall game by the Lakers that they just couldn't close out. One or 2 plays at the end (the Boozer shove on a MUCH smaller Jackson )

Excellent analysis DB and thanks for taking the time to do this!!!


Really. BS couldn't just say Lin played a good game, pushed the ball up the court, attacked the rim and pulled up for high percentage 2s. Took the ball to the rim and kicked it out. No he has to bring up dumb mistakes. Sheesh.



And he said he's a Jeremy Lin fan before he became the coach, how ironic lol
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:16 pm    Post subject:

Thanks so much for your continued efforts with this even with loss after loss.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:17 am    Post subject:



Start at 14:07 , the last possesion, Kobe got the ball and push up, and before he was fouled, notice Ellington was in front of all the defenders under the basket, if only Kobe pass the ball........

However, it is funny that all Thunder players pretty much knew Kobe is going to shoot it and they were all facing Kobe and pay no attention to Ellington.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:11 am    Post subject:

TTNN4 wrote:
http://youtu.be/B3XGkO1a300

Start at 14:07 , the last possesion, Kobe got the ball and push up, and before he was fouled, notice Ellington was in front of all the defenders under the basket, if only Kobe pass the ball........

However, it is funny that all Thunder players pretty much knew Kobe is going to shoot it and they were all facing Kobe and pay no attention to Ellington.

He wasn't that open, it would've been a risky pass I reckon.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:11 am    Post subject:

I think I know why they picked Byron for coach. Cuz they know Byron will be kobe's lapdog and play him for hard and then take all the hard clutch shots and lose for the team. Tank for the win.

There's no way how any capable coach would actually let kobe take all the shots. Byron's nuts are held in kobe,s vice grip.

Kobe is his own worst enemy when it comes to winning his ego gets in the way
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject:

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Kobe seemed to have tired legs. His shots were short.

I think he played too many minutes and paid a toll for that.


THis has been the case in so many fourth quarters this season.
And a major cause of Kobe's poor shooting in these quarters.

He has been better lately. But he would be more effective if he played less minutes. Two years of no play have their influence. OH, and the age of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:04 am    Post subject:

I wrote this in the Lin thread and since this team isn't bound for the playoffs with the awful start and not being able to win close game with hero play coming from Kobe down the stretch, why not try to develop some players?

I'd like to see what the most athletic lineup can do for stretches that is Lin, Ellington, Clarkson, Wes and Davis. Byron keeps droning on about defense, defense, defense, this isn't a defensive, grinding team. But there are some athletic guys who may be able to go on runs if a lineup like that is used strategically. And this isn't a terrible defensive lineup at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:08 am    Post subject:

blueice wrote:
catman2u wrote:
Richmond wrote:
You gotta love BS...qualifies Lin's game with "couple of dumb mistakes".. Really coach? Can we go through the laundry list of "dumb" mistakes by the rest of your team...
Great overall game by the Lakers that they just couldn't close out. One or 2 plays at the end (the Boozer shove on a MUCH smaller Jackson )

Excellent analysis DB and thanks for taking the time to do this!!!
Really. BS couldn't just say Lin played a good game, pushed the ball up the court, attacked the rim and pulled up for high percentage 2s. Took the ball to the rim and kicked it out. No he has to bring up dumb mistakes. Sheesh.
And he said he's a Jeremy Lin fan before he became the coach, how ironic lol
BScott did say he has a good game

Winning coaches/players are always focused on being better

Why was CP3 successful in the same system that JLin is having problems?

It is good that JLin actually closed on his various opportunities and being decisive
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
blueice wrote:
catman2u wrote:
Richmond wrote:
You gotta love BS...qualifies Lin's game with "couple of dumb mistakes".. Really coach? Can we go through the laundry list of "dumb" mistakes by the rest of your team...
Great overall game by the Lakers that they just couldn't close out. One or 2 plays at the end (the Boozer shove on a MUCH smaller Jackson )

Excellent analysis DB and thanks for taking the time to do this!!!
Really. BS couldn't just say Lin played a good game, pushed the ball up the court, attacked the rim and pulled up for high percentage 2s. Took the ball to the rim and kicked it out. No he has to bring up dumb mistakes. Sheesh.
And he said he's a Jeremy Lin fan before he became the coach, how ironic lol
BScott did say he has a good game

Winning coaches/players are always focused on being better

Why was CP3 successful in the same system that JLin is having problems?

It is good that JLin actually closed on his various opportunities and being decisive


Scott said he was solid but made dumb plays in the 1st half. He didn't say Lin was the guy that spearheaded the 4th quarter run or made that big bucket in the 4th, the Lakers last FG. He didn't say he stepped up. So I'm no fan of Scott, give Lin credit there and maybe he'll get going more.

CP3 is a star player, he didn't have to conform to any other star player. And he's better than Lin and has way more playing experience. That doesn't mean Scott is taking advantage of his players' talents and making the team better by incorporating their talents. That is the mark of a good coach, not one that is so rigid that he shackles one of his better players. Not one that has a woefully outdated offensive system and doesn't seem to practice it near enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject:

bws94 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
blueice wrote:
catman2u wrote:
Richmond wrote:
You gotta love BS...qualifies Lin's game with "couple of dumb mistakes".. Really coach? Can we go through the laundry list of "dumb" mistakes by the rest of your team...
Great overall game by the Lakers that they just couldn't close out. One or 2 plays at the end (the Boozer shove on a MUCH smaller Jackson )

Excellent analysis DB and thanks for taking the time to do this!!!
Really. BS couldn't just say Lin played a good game, pushed the ball up the court, attacked the rim and pulled up for high percentage 2s. Took the ball to the rim and kicked it out. No he has to bring up dumb mistakes. Sheesh.
And he said he's a Jeremy Lin fan before he became the coach, how ironic lol
BScott did say he has a good game

Winning coaches/players are always focused on being better

Why was CP3 successful in the same system that JLin is having problems?

It is good that JLin actually closed on his various opportunities and being decisive
Scott said he was solid but made dumb plays in the 1st half. He didn't say Lin was the guy that spearheaded the 4th quarter run or made that big bucket in the 4th, the Lakers last FG. He didn't say he stepped up. So I'm no fan of Scott, give Lin credit there and maybe he'll get going more.

CP3 is a star player, he didn't have to conform to any other star player. And he's better than Lin and has way more playing experience. That doesn't mean Scott is taking advantage of his players' talents and making the team better by incorporating their talents. That is the mark of a good coach, not one that is so rigid that he shackles one of his better players. Not one that has a woefully outdated offensive system and doesn't seem to practice it near enough.
One is assuming that JLin needs to be cajoled/cuddled/comforted with compliments devoid of what he needs to improve on. BScott did not do that to any of his players, like other old school coaches like Lionel Hollins (read the latest NBA article on his assessment of his team and their Big Three.

BScott was CP3's coach in his first years in the NBA. One of the things that differs between between the two players is the level of confidence. When Kobe played with Nash, the transition was seamless.

How can one "shackle" the PG who handles the ball a great amount of time. Push the ball and if one cannot finish, bring the ball out to set up the offense. As Coach Dave have stated, if JLin's play resulted in 8 straight scores and he plays decent offense - BScott will not take him out. If he is not finishing, the differences between Price and himself are slim

JLin needs to TAKE the rein, not ask permission.

How many excuses do we need to state on why JLin is not producing at a level that everybody expected and seen flashes of - usually not during the fourth quarters

I am a JLin fan and hopes that he will step up his game
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject:

One can shackle a player by limiting his minutes, very simple. One can also shackle him by designing a game plan around his weaknesses. That is what is being done to Lin, coaching has given him a losing hand.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject:

Phillycheese wrote:
One can shackle a player by limiting his minutes, very simple. One can also shackle him by designing a game plan around his weaknesses. That is what is being done to Lin, coaching has given him a losing hand.
He is always getting 20+ MPG. The

As shared, he is the PG that has been allowed to push the ball.

What weakness are we talking about, trying hard to get beyond your hating on BScott and trying to get some actual facts

Why is it that Nash and CP3 can be successful, yet not JLin. As Coach Dave stated many times on TV, it is time for no excuses.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:36 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
bws94 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
blueice wrote:
catman2u wrote:
Richmond wrote:
You gotta love BS...qualifies Lin's game with "couple of dumb mistakes".. Really coach? Can we go through the laundry list of "dumb" mistakes by the rest of your team...
Great overall game by the Lakers that they just couldn't close out. One or 2 plays at the end (the Boozer shove on a MUCH smaller Jackson )

Excellent analysis DB and thanks for taking the time to do this!!!
Really. BS couldn't just say Lin played a good game, pushed the ball up the court, attacked the rim and pulled up for high percentage 2s. Took the ball to the rim and kicked it out. No he has to bring up dumb mistakes. Sheesh.
And he said he's a Jeremy Lin fan before he became the coach, how ironic lol
BScott did say he has a good game

Winning coaches/players are always focused on being better

Why was CP3 successful in the same system that JLin is having problems?

It is good that JLin actually closed on his various opportunities and being decisive
Scott said he was solid but made dumb plays in the 1st half. He didn't say Lin was the guy that spearheaded the 4th quarter run or made that big bucket in the 4th, the Lakers last FG. He didn't say he stepped up. So I'm no fan of Scott, give Lin credit there and maybe he'll get going more.

CP3 is a star player, he didn't have to conform to any other star player. And he's better than Lin and has way more playing experience. That doesn't mean Scott is taking advantage of his players' talents and making the team better by incorporating their talents. That is the mark of a good coach, not one that is so rigid that he shackles one of his better players. Not one that has a woefully outdated offensive system and doesn't seem to practice it near enough.
One is assuming that JLin needs to be cajoled/cuddled/comforted with compliments devoid of what he needs to improve on. BScott did not do that to any of his players, like other old school coaches like Lionel Hollins (read the latest NBA article on his assessment of his team and their Big Three.

BScott was CP3's coach in his first years in the NBA. One of the things that differs between between the two players is the level of confidence. When Kobe played with Nash, the transition was seamless.

How can one "shackle" the PG who handles the ball a great amount of time. Push the ball and if one cannot finish, bring the ball out to set up the offense. As Coach Dave have stated, if JLin's play resulted in 8 straight scores and he plays decent offense - BScott will not take him out. If he is not finishing, the differences between Price and himself are slim

JLin needs to TAKE the rein, not ask permission.

How many excuses do we need to state on why JLin is not producing at a level that everybody expected and seen flashes of - usually not during the fourth quarters

I am a JLin fan and hopes that he will step up his game


Fan or no fan, oh please. Lin had an 18/11 game against and Byron complained that he wasn't looking for team mates enough. He had a game against Boston where he scored 14 points in 19 minutes and was ultra aggressive yet Lin didn't get the minutes the next game. Shackled is telling him to do something counter to his natural game, not having him on the court with Davis for significant minutes. Guys aren't always going to score, they get in good stretches and bad stretches, we see that all of the time. Give Lin enough minutes and he usually produces.

Scott has not handled Lin well. And it isn't cajoling someone to say he had a big impact on the game. It is giving credit where credit is due. And, yes, he sure does say other guys play well when they do well without the backhanded compliment he gave Jeremy. It wasn't necessary. Lin was a big factor in the game and it is called acknowledgement when a coach said so. His saying the stuff about bonehead plays was completely unnecessary.
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