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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:09 pm    Post subject:

BRICK wrote:
scott needs to stop playing jeremy lin so many minutes, we lost by 2 possessions and jeremy lin has 2 t.o, seriously stunted coach


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject:

This team at least playing hard. Don't have the horses, but at least showing well. Hopefully a top 5 pick with Randle, and Kelly coming back. That will be at least exciting
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject:

[quote="lakersken80"]Management knew what they had in store....most of these guys are 1 year contracts and Lakers have no obligation to resign them.

The players on 1-year deals are doing a good job raising there stock-value.... if you aren't gonna keep them you can trade them...... I don't understand how the Lakers expect the fans to re-up the season tickets.... with no vision or plan in place.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject:

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People overhype Lin. A player that would get 13-15 mins off the bench on a contending team, and they gripe when he plays 21 mins. Alright.

Has he proven to be as effective off the bench as Young? No...? Then he shouldn't play 28 mins. And Youing gets yanked too, like against Chicago.

Amazing that's missed.



Anyway, this loss wasn't on the amoun of minits Lin got.

People that only focus on that aspect are missing the entire point of why this team loses.


Wrong. He's played better defense than Young and Lin is a point guard and facilitator and he does produce points for Sacre, Boozer, sometimes Ellington. He should play more minutes because he produces better throughout his career at around 30 minutes up.

Lin is a Laker meaning can he do more to help the team win? That's the only thing that should matter. People overly concerned about hype are just frustrating themselves. He isn't that hyped anyway. He's just a guy trying to play for a coach and team and he goes out there and plays hard. He's a good team mate. And he and Davis have chemistry that isn't being exploited. As for Price, he's playing OK. But he is a 3rd string PG that the coach and sometimes Stu in the announcing is over-hyping.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:11 pm    Post subject:

There is a logic to all these actions!

If we lose we might as well lose badly!

I think Magic is 100% right!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:11 pm    Post subject:

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MJST wrote:
People overhype Lin. A player that would get 13-15 mins off the bench on a contending team, and they gripe when he plays 21 mins. Alright.

Has he proven to be as effective off the bench as Young? No...? Then he shouldn't play 28 mins. And Youing gets yanked too, like against Chicago.

Amazing that's missed.



Anyway, this loss wasn't on the amoun of minits Lin got.

People that only focus on that aspect are missing the entire point of why this team loses.


Team loss to bad coaching


Do you think Popovich can change any outcome for this team? This team sucks. All the fans of certain players who are new to this team needs to get a grip. Laker fans can't wait for that (bleep) to be off the team and you guys go along with him.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:12 pm    Post subject:

Lakers 4 eva wrote:
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I just can't wait until Lin isn't on our team anymore, and I'm not just talking about that last shot. Average player that gets hyped up way too much.


And you are more worried about overhyping Lin rather than the coaching or the teams play or the teams offensive or defensive schemes.
Yeah, because it's annoying when the majority of the talk on game threads is how Lin is being used wrong or not getting enough minutes when that wouldn't make a difference at all.


Have you been following game threads? Majority of the talk is about how dumb and sucky our head coach is. Talk about confirmation bias. People saying Davis works well with Lin and Byron not giving them enough minutes = only talking about Lin. So you mean we didn't talk about Davis and Byron? You know what they say, you only see what you want to see.


I'm sorry to inform you but Lin or Ed Davis will not save this team. They are both scrubs. Stop the delusion.


It's just an example regarding his idea that majority of the talk is about Lin. I can quote another example of Kobe being run into the ground and being asked to do too much, ie mismanagement of Kobe by BYRON SCOTT. Does this example make you feel better?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:14 pm    Post subject:

People that are natural starters or even a bit better, tear up second units consistently and get high minutes because of it off the bench. Example, Boozer and Young.

Lin doesn't separate himself from the pack like those two. That's why. He had Barea guarding him tonight, didn't take him to the basket or look to score over him. That's a problem.

The biggest one is that aside of one or two good games and career statistics he can't seperate himself from Price..despite the fact Price plays against Starters and Lin plays against 2nd units.

What Lin was doing 3-4 weeks ago doesn't matter, he isn't tearing apart 2nd inits and showing why he should be starting. Boozer has done it, Young does it but prefers his bench role cause he accepts what he is. Lin can't seem to do that on a consistent basis even against bench competittion, that's a problem. I guarantee you if Lin put up 13/6 off the bench consistently it'd be much better than what he currently does.

But alas. It doesn't come down to him.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:14 pm    Post subject:

Lakers 4 eva wrote:
Shaqtin wrote:
MJST wrote:
People overhype Lin. A player that would get 13-15 mins off the bench on a contending team, and they gripe when he plays 21 mins. Alright.

Has he proven to be as effective off the bench as Young? No...? Then he shouldn't play 28 mins. And Youing gets yanked too, like against Chicago.

Amazing that's missed.



Anyway, this loss wasn't on the amoun of minits Lin got.

People that only focus on that aspect are missing the entire point of why this team loses.


Team loss to bad coaching


Do you think Popovich can change any outcome for this team? This team sucks. All the fans of certain players who are new to this team needs to get a grip. Laker fans can't wait for that (bleep) to be off the team and you guys go along with him.


Is it wrong if I truly believe a better head coach will make us better? To answer your question, a resounding YES, I think Popovich will make us better.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:14 pm    Post subject:

The MAV is better with Rondo.
But this game the Lakers are better against them.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:15 pm    Post subject:

Funny that people keep saying Lin is average like it's a bad thing, while most of the other players on this team are not even average.

He had a decent game. He was not making his shots but he had a game high 7 assists, same as Rondo and Monta. 5 boards, 3 blocks, and 2 TOs in 21:31.

Wish BS had let him play a little longer when he was running the offense well.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:15 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
We are losing because we aren't very good, and our coach makes us even worse.

True statement.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject:

Be honest. this game isn't that bad compare to last time loss which 106 to 140! Actually, it can be considering a good game with BS's bad coaching.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject:

Mavs are more of a playoff team with Rondo that can go all the way.

Better to be that then what the Warriors are, which is a team that runs all over the league during the season and usually falls within 2 rounds of the playoffs. Ie the D'antoni Suns.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:18 pm    Post subject:

Lakers 4 eva wrote:
Shaqtin wrote:
MJST wrote:
People overhype Lin. A player that would get 13-15 mins off the bench on a contending team, and they gripe when he plays 21 mins. Alright.

Has he proven to be as effective off the bench as Young? No...? Then he shouldn't play 28 mins. And Youing gets yanked too, like against Chicago.

Amazing that's missed.



Anyway, this loss wasn't on the amoun of minits Lin got.

People that only focus on that aspect are missing the entire point of why this team loses.


Team loss to bad coaching


Do you think Popovich can change any outcome for this team? This team sucks. All the fans of certain players who are new to this team needs to get a grip. Laker fans can't wait for that (bleep) to be off the team and you guys go along with him.


Pop wouldn't have most of these guys on his team...his scouts could do better.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Charisma wrote:
Funny that people keep saying Lin is average like it's a bad thing, while most of the other players on this team are not even average.

He had a decent game. He was not making his shots but he had a game high 7 assists, same as Rondo and Monta. 5 boards, 3 blocks, and 2 TOs in 21:31.

Wish BS had let him play a little longer when he was running the offense well.


Agree, and bench played continuously better than start.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:21 pm    Post subject:

Charisma wrote:
Funny that people keep saying Lin is average like it's a bad thing, while most of the other players on this team are not even average.

He had a decent game. He was not making his shots but he had a game high 7 assists, same as Rondo and Monta. 5 boards, 3 blocks, and 2 TOs in 21:31.

Wish BS had let him play a little longer when he was running the offense well.


I'd only start Lin if Davis was remaining a starter.

Or I would put Boozer in the starting lineup, move Davis to the bench with Lin and pray Ryan Kelly is back soon and remains healthy.

A bench unit of
Lin
Young
Ellington
Kelly
Davis

Is the kind that maximizes Lin two tricks(pick and roll and drive and dish)

Then Boozer in the starting lineup with Price, Kobe, Booz can un the slow pace, have two post threats, etc.

Its actually the lineup that worked in pre-season. Particularly when it was

Lin
Clarkson
Roscoe
Randle
Davis

Off the bench.

If it was Lin
Young
Ellington /Kelly
Randle
Davis

Off the bench its different.

But sadly that wonhappen. But the Kelly lineup might. So we'll see.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:22 pm    Post subject:

We out-rebounded the Mavs (63-40) and yet we still got pounded due to shooting 36% from the field.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject:

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We out-rebounded the Mavs (63-40) and yet we still got pounded due to shooting 36% from the field.


Mavs would have lost against nearly any other team, based on the rebounding numbers. They gave up some size to get Rondo.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:25 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Charisma wrote:
Funny that people keep saying Lin is average like it's a bad thing, while most of the other players on this team are not even average.

He had a decent game. He was not making his shots but he had a game high 7 assists, same as Rondo and Monta. 5 boards, 3 blocks, and 2 TOs in 21:31.

Wish BS had let him play a little longer when he was running the offense well.


I'd only start Lin if Davis was remaining a starter.

Or I would put Boozer in the starting lineup, move Davis to the bench with Lin and pray Ryan Kelly is back soon and remains healthy.

A bench unit of
Lin
Young
Ellington
Kelly
Davis

Is the kind that maximizes Lin two tricks(pick and roll and drive and dish)

Then Boozer in the starting lineup with Price, Kobe, Booz can un the slow pace, have two post threats, etc.

Its actually the lineup that worked in pre-season. Particularly when it was

Lin
Clarkson
Roscoe
Randle
Davis

Off the bench.

If it was Lin
Young
Ellington /Kelly
Randle
Davis

Off the bench its different.

But sadly that wonhappen. But the Kelly lineup might. So we'll see.


Lin can pick and pop, his jump shot is off but when it is on that's a "trick". He can throw a full court lob pass if guys got near the basket and also throw the lob pass well. He has a hesitation dribble and can finish around the rim and draw fouls. He's not bad at steals and rebounding either.

Why are you so down on him now? I'm not sure why Lin hasn't broken out yet but sometime this season, whether a Laker or not, he's going to have a strong stretch and show that this Lin is really not the player he is. He's been far less than what he really is as a Laker.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:28 pm    Post subject:

Missed this game but we had 3 guys with Double-Doubles and still lost?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:29 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
People that are natural starters or even a bit better, tear up second units consistently and get high minutes because of it off the bench. Example, Boozer and Young.

Lin doesn't separate himself from the pack like those two. That's why. He had Barea guarding him tonight, didn't take him to the basket or look to score over him. That's a problem.

The biggest one is that aside of one or two good games and career statistics he can't seperate himself from Price..despite the fact Price plays against Starters and Lin plays against 2nd units.

What Lin was doing 3-4 weeks ago doesn't matter, he isn't tearing apart 2nd inits and showing why he should be starting. Boozer has done it, Young does it but prefers his bench role cause he accepts what he is. Lin can't seem to do that on a consistent basis even against bench competittion, that's a problem. I guarantee you if Lin put up 13/6 off the bench consistently it'd be much better than what he currently does.

But alas. It doesn't come down to him.


MJST we get that you don't like lin but can you quit fixating on tearing him down and try to focus on the team. K thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:31 pm    Post subject:

Lakers 4 eva wrote:
Misaeng wrote:
The_Dynasty24 wrote:
tonman wrote:
The_Dynasty24 wrote:
I just can't wait until Lin isn't on our team anymore, and I'm not just talking about that last shot. Average player that gets hyped up way too much.


And you are more worried about overhyping Lin rather than the coaching or the teams play or the teams offensive or defensive schemes.
Yeah, because it's annoying when the majority of the talk on game threads is how Lin is being used wrong or not getting enough minutes when that wouldn't make a difference at all.


Have you been following game threads? Majority of the talk is about how dumb and sucky our head coach is. Talk about confirmation bias. People saying Davis works well with Lin and Byron not giving them enough minutes = only talking about Lin. So you mean we didn't talk about Davis and Byron? You know what they say, you only see what you want to see.


I'm sorry to inform you but Lin or Ed Davis will not save this team. They are both scrubs. Stop the delusion.


But at least BS should use the players the right way to improve the game, and for any winning chance we can get.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:36 pm    Post subject:

xiaozhugong wrote:
Lakers 4 eva wrote:
Misaeng wrote:
The_Dynasty24 wrote:
tonman wrote:
The_Dynasty24 wrote:
I just can't wait until Lin isn't on our team anymore, and I'm not just talking about that last shot. Average player that gets hyped up way too much.


And you are more worried about overhyping Lin rather than the coaching or the teams play or the teams offensive or defensive schemes.
Yeah, because it's annoying when the majority of the talk on game threads is how Lin is being used wrong or not getting enough minutes when that wouldn't make a difference at all.


Have you been following game threads? Majority of the talk is about how dumb and sucky our head coach is. Talk about confirmation bias. People saying Davis works well with Lin and Byron not giving them enough minutes = only talking about Lin. So you mean we didn't talk about Davis and Byron? You know what they say, you only see what you want to see.


I'm sorry to inform you but Lin or Ed Davis will not save this team. They are both scrubs. Stop the delusion.


But at least BS should use the players the right way to improve the game, and for any winning chance we can get.


Nobody said they'll "save the team". Use them to add another weapon to the team and they may open up other guys to do things. The more weapons the team has, the more it the opposing defense work and helps a team score in varied ways.
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