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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:50 pm    Post subject:

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Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.
nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground
If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


what are you talking about? Price is a real PG and Lin isn't? laff. in fact, Lin is a much better PG than he is a SG. BS is an offensive dummy who doesn't know how to utilize his players to their strength. he doesn't have an offensive strategy. the only thing he's doing is running the offense through Kobe. they need to play correct way, see what works, then tweak it a bit
this team only Kobe and Lin can make plays for teammates, Kobe depends on his passes off double teaming, JLin creates through PnR, on transition, drive to the lane... Jlin might not consistently play his best when teaming up with Kobe, but Kobe's offense is lot better when Jlin is on the court...
JHill's offense also suffers since Lin was demoted to the bench....
JLin is not a starting PG if he is not able to finish, hence he is not forcing defenders to collapse (acknowledging that his past stats documents that he is only behind LBJ in closing at the basket before this season.

JHill's play in December has made serious drop in production from November. Getting only one rebound in the last game is terrible. Taking outside shots beyond his range has resulted in him building a big Brickhouse
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject:

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tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.
nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground
If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


what are you talking about? Price is a real PG and Lin isn't? laff. in fact, Lin is a much better PG than he is a SG. BS is an offensive dummy who doesn't know how to utilize his players to their strength. he doesn't have an offensive strategy. the only thing he's doing is running the offense through Kobe. they need to play correct way, see what works, then tweak it a bit
this team only Kobe and Lin can make plays for teammates, Kobe depends on his passes off double teaming, JLin creates through PnR, on transition, drive to the lane... Jlin might not consistently play his best when teaming up with Kobe, but Kobe's offense is lot better when Jlin is on the court...
JHill's offense also suffers since Lin was demoted to the bench....
JLin is not a starting PG if he is not able to finish, hence he is not forcing defenders to collapse (acknowledging that his past stats documents that he is only behind LBJ in closing at the basket before this season.

JHill's play in December has made serious drop in production from November. Getting only one rebound in the last game is terrible. Taking outside shots beyond his range has resulted in him building a big Brickhouse


I thought JLin set up JHill pretty well, now his jumpers are mainly from broken plays, when JLin and JHill played pick and pop, JHill's jumper was pretty consistent...


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:55 pm    Post subject:

Honeybadger81 wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


what are you talking about? Price is a real PG and Lin isn't? laff. in fact, Lin is a much better PG than he is a SG. BS is an offensive dummy who doesn't know how to utilize his players to their strength. he doesn't have an offensive strategy. the only thing he's doing is running the offense through Kobe. they need to play correct way, see what works, then tweak it a bit



this team only Kobe and Lin can make plays for teammates, Kobe depends on his passes off double teaming, JLin creates through PnR, on transition, drive to the lane... Jlin might not consistently play his best when teaming up with Kobe, but Kobe's offense is lot better when Jlin is on the court...
JHill's offense also suffers since Lin was demoted to the bench....


BS runs the Princeton system but only took 4 plays out of it like elbow, flopy, and big horn. There are some plays that he twek, but most of the plays break down and become long 2s. BS is not known for his offensive schemes. The bigger issue is defense giving away 109 ppt since Boozer was bench.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:01 pm    Post subject:

Shaqtin wrote:
Honeybadger81 wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


what are you talking about? Price is a real PG and Lin isn't? laff. in fact, Lin is a much better PG than he is a SG. BS is an offensive dummy who doesn't know how to utilize his players to their strength. he doesn't have an offensive strategy. the only thing he's doing is running the offense through Kobe. they need to play correct way, see what works, then tweak it a bit



this team only Kobe and Lin can make plays for teammates, Kobe depends on his passes off double teaming, JLin creates through PnR, on transition, drive to the lane... Jlin might not consistently play his best when teaming up with Kobe, but Kobe's offense is lot better when Jlin is on the court...
JHill's offense also suffers since Lin was demoted to the bench....


BS runs the Princeton system but only took 4 plays out of it like elbow, flopy, and big horn. There are some plays that he twek, but most of the plays break down. BS is not known for his offensive schemes. The bigger issue is defense giving away 109 ppt since Boozer was bench.


None of those sets are part of the Princeton. Although it does look he took only two sets from the offense.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:25 pm    Post subject:

nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


say WHATTTTT?! just say you dislike JLin rather than saying that he is not a real PG. lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject:

Honeybadger81 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Honeybadger81 wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.
nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground
If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


what are you talking about? Price is a real PG and Lin isn't? laff. in fact, Lin is a much better PG than he is a SG. BS is an offensive dummy who doesn't know how to utilize his players to their strength. he doesn't have an offensive strategy. the only thing he's doing is running the offense through Kobe. they need to play correct way, see what works, then tweak it a bit
this team only Kobe and Lin can make plays for teammates, Kobe depends on his passes off double teaming, JLin creates through PnR, on transition, drive to the lane... Jlin might not consistently play his best when teaming up with Kobe, but Kobe's offense is lot better when Jlin is on the court...
JHill's offense also suffers since Lin was demoted to the bench....
JLin is not a starting PG if he is not able to finish, hence he is not forcing defenders to collapse (acknowledging that his past stats documents that he is only behind LBJ in closing at the basket before this season.

JHill's play in December has made serious drop in production from November. Getting only one rebound in the last game is terrible. Taking outside shots beyond his range has resulted in him building a big Brickhouse
I thought JLin set up JHill pretty well, now his jumpers are mainly from broken plays, when JLin and JHill played pick and pop, JHill's jumper was pretty consistent...
JHill thinks he is Dirk shooting (bricking) from the top of the key at the sacrifice of getting boards
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject:

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Also, a lot of the Lakers bench played horrible off-the-ball 3-pt defense last night.

Just TURRIBLE!


Part of it is attributed to BS over support on guards helping to defend PnR and Zone. This issue has been addressed through preseason.


It has nothing to do with BS or PnR strategy or Zone.

Other than Kobe and Swaggy, the other guards are out-matched with the rest of the Phoenix guards. They are just better. But this is still no excuse for the bench not bringing it defensively against a team that has been lighting it up at the 3 all year.

The truth is that the Lakers deserve to lose. This weak defense played by the 2nd stringers doesn't warrant a win. This and the fact these type of players need to be spoon fed offensively is what is stunting the Lakers from growing and truly being successful. Some of these players are parasites, just holding on for dear life, just happy to be there, continually sucking the life blood out of the team. These players don't possess the intangibles that allow them to improve and make the team better as the season progresses. In laymen terms, the other players should be putting their energies into cutting to the basket and setting up Kobe, Swaggy, Ed Davis, and Boozer for shots...not the other way around. It's not that complicated!


I haven't had time to watch the full game yet, but this discussion got me interested so I pulled up the reel of made Suns 3s from NBA.com. There was only one play where you could say that the bench played bad off ball D on the 3 point shooters, and that was Lin losing Thomas on the weakside while standing on the nail.

For starters the one example was Price helping in the post off Dragic and giving up an open 3- but I don't blame him because it's clear that that's what Byron wants.

The rest of the 3s were the Suns taking advantage of the inherent weaknesses of the Lakers zone.

For on ball 3s, 1 was in transition, and 2 were because the defenders decided to go under screens, which you can't tell whether it was a mistake or in the game plan.


This!


Lin said the 3s back to back in the 3rd was because Lakers were playing zone defense on them. So that is BS call.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:07 am    Post subject:

So I finally got around to finishing watching this game. It was a strange one, where almost everyone seemed to play well individually (with a few exceptions like Hill), but the team couldn't get in sync with each other during some Suns runs.

A lot of turnovers came at the worst times. I can't agree with Byron playing Swaggy so few minutes when he had it going. Other than a stretch in the beginning where he was in passive pass mode, I thought Kobe played a smart game. I agree with the others that he was just somewhat rusty on the passes. He also gave up some buckets by not respecting the guy he was guarding.

The Laker's own zone killed them in a couple of stretches. Seems like a high risk low return strategy for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:34 am    Post subject:

Slash Bros handling the Lakers.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:16 am    Post subject:

option_nerd wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


say WHATTTTT?! just say you dislike JLin rather than saying that he is not a real PG. lol.


I don't dislike Lin at all but look at the facts.

JLin holds the ball too long and can't force the defense to adjust to his play. He doesn't push or get the ball down the floor quick enough to set up an offense. He doesn't get the ball to players in the post quick enough (Kobe, Boozer, Hill, Ed Davis). He plays like 2-guard scoring version of Steve Nash that can't finish as good.

Here is a stats comparison for last 10 games:

********[GP]*[MPG]*[FG%]*[RPG]*[APG]*[BLKPG]*[STPG]*[PFPG]*[PPG]
Lin******[10]*[22.4]*[.397]*[2.7]**[4.5]****[0.6]*[1.0]****[2.6]*[8.4]
D-Will****[8]*[24.4]*[.284]*[1.9]**[6.6]****[0.0]*[0.6]****[1.5]*[8.6]

Note: I compared him to Deron Williams to be fair. You should also know that JLin has been producing these stats against second stringers.

Do you still think Lin is a great PG?!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:21 am    Post subject:

nshid wrote:
option_nerd wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


say WHATTTTT?! just say you dislike JLin rather than saying that he is not a real PG. lol.


I don't dislike Lin at all but look at the facts.

JLin holds the ball too long and can't force the defense to adjust to his play. He doesn't push or get the ball down the floor quick enough to set up an offense. He doesn't get the ball to players in the post quick enough (Kobe, Boozer, Hill, Ed Davis). He plays like 2-guard scoring version of Steve Nash that can't finish as good.

Here is a stats comparison for last 10 games:

********[GP]*[MPG]*[FG%]*[RPG]*[APG]*[BLKPG]*[STPG]*[PFPG]*[PPG]
Lin******[10]*[22.4]*[.397]*[2.7]**[4.5]****[0.6]*[1.0]****[2.6]*[8.4]
D-Will****[8]*[24.4]*[.284]*[1.9]**[6.6]****[0.0]*[0.6]****[1.5]*[8.6]

Note: I compared him to Deron Williams to be fair. You should also know that JLin has been producing these stats against second stringers.

Do you still think Lin is a great PG?!


You lost me at he doesn't push the ball.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:23 am    Post subject:

nshid wrote:
option_nerd wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


say WHATTTTT?! just say you dislike JLin rather than saying that he is not a real PG. lol.


I don't dislike Lin at all but look at the facts.

JLin holds the ball too long and can't force the defense to adjust to his play. He doesn't push or get the ball down the floor quick enough to set up an offense. He doesn't get the ball to players in the post quick enough (Kobe, Boozer, Hill, Ed Davis). He plays like 2-guard scoring version of Steve Nash that can't finish as good.

Here is a stats comparison for last 10 games:

********[GP]*[MPG]*[FG%]*[RPG]*[APG]*[BLKPG]*[STPG]*[PFPG]*[PPG]
Lin******[10]*[22.4]*[.397]*[2.7]**[4.5]****[0.6]*[1.0]****[2.6]*[8.4]
D-Will****[8]*[24.4]*[.284]*[1.9]**[6.6]****[0.0]*[0.6]****[1.5]*[8.6]

Note: I compared him to Deron Williams to be fair. You should also know that JLin has been producing these stats against second stringers.

Do you still think Lin is a great PG?!


You have been so neg on Lin. Lakers offense is ranked #1 for PPG since he has been on the bench. Yes, he has gone in a slump for obvious reasons, but he barely shoots to make a difference. Lakers defense is the issue for losses. Most of it is due to bad coaching and Boozer.

Your logic is awful, combo guard. Please Price over Lin, lmao. Look at the starting unit now, it is worst offensively and marginally better defensively because of Davis. Your thinking is in the minority.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:46 am    Post subject:

Hi fiendishoc:


I am guessing one of the Princeton sets is Chin? (
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What's the other? (I am guessing some sort of 5 out set where Ed Davis has ball at top of key to start play?)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:51 am    Post subject:

Shaqtin wrote:
nshid wrote:
option_nerd wrote:
nshid wrote:
tyusedney1 wrote:
nshid wrote:
Kobe played facilitator tonight...just majority of Lakers "are who we thought they were".

This is another close game where no one else could take over the game other than Kobe. For some reason, many feel Kobe should be neutered from shooting and I don't get it. Kobe is better when he is himself. If Kobe gets in incredible form mid-season (gets his legs back, finds his shot - which is very plausible) and had a competent bunch around him that could close out these type of games, the Lakers would be a force to be reckoned with...unfortunately this is not the case.


nobody is saying kobe should stop shooting. they are saying he should take better shots. and that doesn't mean he should be the main facilitator, either. how about playing OFF the ball like a SG is suppose to do? how about allowing the point guard to do their jobs and facilitate so that the whole team can get better looks? every team with a superstar that's trying to take over the coach's and pg's job is running their team into the ground


If Kobe goes into a supporting role, which you are clearly stating, who is going to take over and create for the team?

JLin is not a real PG, so all they have left is Price...and someone has to pick up the slack. Lin is more of a 2-guard and is too inconsistent on D, passing, and shooting to lead this team as the starting PG. Maybe there's hope in the near future, but right now...don't make me laugh.


say WHATTTTT?! just say you dislike JLin rather than saying that he is not a real PG. lol.


I don't dislike Lin at all but look at the facts.

JLin holds the ball too long and can't force the defense to adjust to his play. He doesn't push or get the ball down the floor quick enough to set up an offense. He doesn't get the ball to players in the post quick enough (Kobe, Boozer, Hill, Ed Davis). He plays like 2-guard scoring version of Steve Nash that can't finish as good.

Here is a stats comparison for last 10 games:

********[GP]*[MPG]*[FG%]*[RPG]*[APG]*[BLKPG]*[STPG]*[PFPG]*[PPG]
Lin******[10]*[22.4]*[.397]*[2.7]**[4.5]****[0.6]*[1.0]****[2.6]*[8.4]
D-Will****[8]*[24.4]*[.284]*[1.9]**[6.6]****[0.0]*[0.6]****[1.5]*[8.6]

Note: I compared him to Deron Williams to be fair. You should also know that JLin has been producing these stats against second stringers.

Do you still think Lin is a great PG?!


You have been so neg on Lin. Lakers offense is ranked #1 for PPG since he has been on the bench. Yes, he has gone in a slump for obvious reasons, but he barely shoots to make a difference. Lakers defense is the issue for losses. Most of it is due to bad coaching and Boozer.

Your logic is awful, combo guard. Please Price over Lin, lmao. Look at the starting unit now, it is worst offensively and marginally better defensively because of Davis. Your thinking is in the minority.


Price might not be better than Lin but he gets the ball down the floor to set up the offense quickly. JLin can push it down the court to set himself up, but that's about it. Why do you think he was traded from NY, benched in Houston, and now benched in LA? No team in their right mind benches or trades a great PG so easily.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:12 am    Post subject:

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Why do you think he was traded from NY, benched in Houston, and now benched in LA? No team in their right mind benches or trades a great PG so easily.

1) Dolan's stupidity ( http://etane.net/jeremy-lin/rules-to-live-by/ )

2) Harden's ego (
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3) Byron Scott's stubborness / front office "stuff" (Lin never part of long-term plans of Lakers, or they figured out this summer they won't be able to resign him and maintain cap space for second max contract cornerstone to put alongside Kobe, and / or he's always been a 1 year rental whose expiring contract they hope to flip for some sort of draft pick later this season. Whether he was ultimately brought in as an easy scapegoat for all of Lakers anticipated struggles this season (deflect attention away from real problems and blame someone who won't be on team next year anyways), it's hard to tell yet).






And if you want to continue this debate with Lin fans, how about posting any further responses (and ours) to the dedicated Lin thread?

I'm pretty sure alot of long-term Lakers fans are not interested in reading about our back and forth arguments regarding Lin, and it makes it impossible for them to read about other players on team (which was initial complaint of reasonable Knicks and Rockets fans when Knicks RealGM forum, then ClutchFans, was overwhelmed by an influx of new Lin fans and every post and every thread was about Lin and they couldn't read about anything else about team).

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"Had the Knicks simply offered Lin a contract extension as allowable by the early Bird rights granted to Lin, the Knicks could have signed Lin to $5 million a year for up to four years. The total marginal luxury tax they would have paid based on this scenario is only $1.1 million based on scenario 2. So, it is a fallacy that re-signing Jeremy would have cost the Knicks over $40 million in luxury tax. This punitive amount only resulted because they failed to act before making Lin field competitive offers.

And, if they owned up to admitting that they are over paying Stoudemire and simply waive him, the Knicks could be sitting pretty with one of the top point guards in the league and with $100 million removed off their luxury tax load. However, the Knicks own short sightedness now projected to cost them $100 million.

It’s not too late! Knicks can still trade for Lin and acquire him without the Arenas rule restrictions on salary cap plus waiving Stoudemire, and the Knicks can STILL sit pretty with $85 million more in their pocket and have Manhattan’s darling back in Madison Square Garden."



http://etane.net/jeremy-lin/rules-to-live-by/

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"It's strange. People want Lin to come off the bench, want him traded, doesn't think he "fits" with the team, won't call him a star... but still expect him to play like one, and complain about anything less than perfection."


http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=8546331&postcount=1338

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Rockets vs. Mavericks 12/23/2013 (no Harden, no Beverley)

Game Flow: http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20131223&game=DALHOU

Box Score: http://popcornmachine.net/bs?date=20131223&game=DALHOU





Rematch (Lin without Harden): http://houseofhouston.com/2014/01/30/recap-houston-rockets-117-dallas-mavericks-115/
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Isn't there a Lin thread in which to discuss Lin? Every thread ends up being a Lin thread. Annoying.
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I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:59 pm    Post subject:

nshid wrote:
I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.


Nice job, Byron.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject:

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nshid wrote:
I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.


Nice job, Byron.


LOL



The furor won't help us win anyway!
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nshid wrote:
I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.


Kobe is shooting sub 40 percent for the season, significantly less than 40 percent. He doesn't need more shots, he needs less. He needs less minutes, less responsibilities. It's all about working with Kobe to find out how he can best maximize his last few years (hopefully) in the league, not pretending he has zero limitations at his age and mileage and after two major injuries, or pretending it is at all fun or entertaining to watch him throw up brick after brick. Kobe is still skilled enough to be one of the very best players in the game, IMO, but he won't be able to show that if Scott pretends like nothing has changed and plays him huge minutes and asks him to do everything on the floor.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:58 pm    Post subject:

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Hi fiendishoc:


I am guessing one of the Princeton sets is Chin? (
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What's the other? (I am guessing some sort of 5 out set where Ed Davis has ball at top of key to start play?)


Yup, those are the two sets I was referring to, that they run variations of.
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mhan00 wrote:
nshid wrote:
I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.


Kobe is shooting sub 40 percent for the season, significantly less than 40 percent. He doesn't need more shots, he needs less. He needs less minutes, less responsibilities. It's all about working with Kobe to find out how he can best maximize his last few years (hopefully) in the league, not pretending he has zero limitations at his age and mileage and after two major injuries, or pretending it is at all fun or entertaining to watch him throw up brick after brick. Kobe is still skilled enough to be one of the very best players in the game, IMO, but he won't be able to show that if Scott pretends like nothing has changed and plays him huge minutes and asks him to do everything on the floor.


His triple double against Denver tonight proved your theory wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:52 pm    Post subject:

nshid wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
nshid wrote:
I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.


Kobe is shooting sub 40 percent for the season, significantly less than 40 percent. He doesn't need more shots, he needs less. He needs less minutes, less responsibilities. It's all about working with Kobe to find out how he can best maximize his last few years (hopefully) in the league, not pretending he has zero limitations at his age and mileage and after two major injuries, or pretending it is at all fun or entertaining to watch him throw up brick after brick. Kobe is still skilled enough to be one of the very best players in the game, IMO, but he won't be able to show that if Scott pretends like nothing has changed and plays him huge minutes and asks him to do everything on the floor.


His triple double against Denver tonight proved your theory wrong.



Kobe played only 31 minutes and had 11 FGA. If anything, it proved his words right.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:25 am    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
nshid wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
nshid wrote:
I didn't mean to create JLin furor. I was never trying to go there.

I was just trying to say that Kobe needs to keep on shooting because we don't have many great playmakers on this team. It was not a knock on Lin or anyone else, just saying.


Kobe is shooting sub 40 percent for the season, significantly less than 40 percent. He doesn't need more shots, he needs less. He needs less minutes, less responsibilities. It's all about working with Kobe to find out how he can best maximize his last few years (hopefully) in the league, not pretending he has zero limitations at his age and mileage and after two major injuries, or pretending it is at all fun or entertaining to watch him throw up brick after brick. Kobe is still skilled enough to be one of the very best players in the game, IMO, but he won't be able to show that if Scott pretends like nothing has changed and plays him huge minutes and asks him to do everything on the floor.


His triple double against Denver tonight proved your theory wrong.



Kobe played only 31 minutes and had 11 FGA. If anything, it proved his words right.


Actually other starters stepped up this game and hit their shots. Again, Kobe still needs to shoot. He should be scoring more than anyone on this team darn near every night. It is just the nature of the beast.

Kobe should have his minutes maintained though throughout the season, but this can be said of any player, including LBJ. Kobe either needs other starters and bench players to step up on a consistent basis or new talent on the team. This has less to do with Kobe and more to do with the other players around him.

You watch...if the other players start playing consistently better, Kobe's numbers will go up.


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