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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:10 am Post subject: |
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vicman wrote: | Really I think Tarek is getting way over rated and that the backup center shouldn't be him he is aone trick pony and not even that good at that trick. Sure he made a couple of plays but I don't think he is a legit rotation player in the league |
What is it that makes you feel that way? His numbers are a respectable 10.9 points (56.8% fg), 11.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.9 blocks, and 0.7 steals per 36 minutes over his career, with his blocks rising to 1.3 per 36 minutes last season. He's a solid backup small ball center. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:00 am Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | vicman wrote: | Really I think Tarek is getting way over rated and that the backup center shouldn't be him he is aone trick pony and not even that good at that trick. Sure he made a couple of plays but I don't think he is a legit rotation player in the league |
What is it that makes you feel that way? His numbers are a respectable 10.9 points (56.8% fg), 11.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.9 blocks, and 0.7 steals per 36 minutes over his career, with his blocks rising to 1.3 per 36 minutes last season. He's a solid backup small ball center. |
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vicman Star Player
Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 2379 Location: Arcadia
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:19 am Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | vicman wrote: | Really I think Tarek is getting way over rated and that the backup center shouldn't be him he is aone trick pony and not even that good at that trick. Sure he made a couple of plays but I don't think he is a legit rotation player in the league |
What is it that makes you feel that way? His numbers are a respectable 10.9 points (56.8% fg), 11.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.9 blocks, and 0.7 steals per 36 minutes over his career, with his blocks rising to 1.3 per 36 minutes last season. He's a solid backup small ball center. |
First I think that zubac is a better defender already. Also I think that all he does is try to get to the front of the rim but he is under sized for that I just don't think he is rotation material long term. I think the season will show that because he will get the playing time. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: |
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The only thing missing in Black's life is consistency.
Once or if he maintains production, he'll be worth way more than the $6m/year. But that's a big if. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:22 am Post subject: |
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vicman wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | vicman wrote: | Really I think Tarek is getting way over rated and that the backup center shouldn't be him he is aone trick pony and not even that good at that trick. Sure he made a couple of plays but I don't think he is a legit rotation player in the league |
What is it that makes you feel that way? His numbers are a respectable 10.9 points (56.8% fg), 11.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.9 blocks, and 0.7 steals per 36 minutes over his career, with his blocks rising to 1.3 per 36 minutes last season. He's a solid backup small ball center. |
First I think that zubac is a better defender already. Also I think that all he does is try to get to the front of the rim but he is under sized for that I just don't think he is rotation material long term. I think the season will show that because he will get the playing time. |
He's a mobile big man who plays with lots of energy. Zub's time will come, though I don't see it being this season. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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We saw against Denver how overmatched Zubac is right now. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Yong Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | We saw against Denver how overmatched Zubac is right now. |
Yes unfortunately. I still would like Yi to be given more opportunity. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Lakerpark wrote: | Watching Tarik throw down with power and aggression, it almost seems like he is saying "----- you Byron" every time he gets a chance to dunk.
I would like to propose a nickname for Tarik..."Doomsday"
He survived his imprisonment and brutal treatment under BS and now that he has been unleashed he is out to wreak havoc!
I know, kind of a stretch.
Keep up the good work Tarik! |
I didn't understand why he didn't play more last year. Oh yeah, we were trying to lose. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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vicman wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | vicman wrote: | Really I think Tarek is getting way over rated and that the backup center shouldn't be him he is aone trick pony and not even that good at that trick. Sure he made a couple of plays but I don't think he is a legit rotation player in the league |
What is it that makes you feel that way? His numbers are a respectable 10.9 points (56.8% fg), 11.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.9 blocks, and 0.7 steals per 36 minutes over his career, with his blocks rising to 1.3 per 36 minutes last season. He's a solid backup small ball center. |
First I think that zubac is a better defender already. Also I think that all he does is try to get to the front of the rim but he is under sized for that I just don't think he is rotation material long term. I think the season will show that because he will get the playing time. |
All he does is try to get to the front of the rim? I'm lost. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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vicman Star Player
Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 2379 Location: Arcadia
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Judah wrote: | vicman wrote: | J.C. Smith wrote: | vicman wrote: | Really I think Tarek is getting way over rated and that the backup center shouldn't be him he is aone trick pony and not even that good at that trick. Sure he made a couple of plays but I don't think he is a legit rotation player in the league |
What is it that makes you feel that way? His numbers are a respectable 10.9 points (56.8% fg), 11.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.9 blocks, and 0.7 steals per 36 minutes over his career, with his blocks rising to 1.3 per 36 minutes last season. He's a solid backup small ball center. |
First I think that zubac is a better defender already. Also I think that all he does is try to get to the front of the rim but he is under sized for that I just don't think he is rotation material long term. I think the season will show that because he will get the playing time. |
All he does is try to get to the front of the rim? I'm lost. |
If your going to be a big you have to have a post up game. Most of his play is trying to get to the front of the rim and it isn't going to work for long. I might be wrong but I don't see him as a quality nba player |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:32 am Post subject: |
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TB played another fairly consistent game. He's gaining confidence. So far he seems to have the edge in the battle for the #2 center spot. |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 7910 Location: Lake Forest
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Tarik is a small ball center that isn't good enough to force the other team to go small in response. He's a great counter to the other team going small but he's a liability if they don't.
Hopefully Zublaca will progress enough that we can play either depending on matchups. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:58 am Post subject: |
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He missed some layups today, that I hope he doesn't in the future. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, Black has to do a better job of finishing. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | We saw against Denver how overmatched Zubac is right now. |
To be fair, Moz is a lot bigger/stronger then Zu along with being considerably more experienced. Denver's guys pushed Moz all over the place too. _________________ LBJ + AD = More rings
Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
Wilt's unstoppable fadeaway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA
NPZ's Magic Johnson mix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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In reality we don't have a top-tier center though I think in a few years Zu will be really good.
Fortunately the ones we have all bring a little something different to the table. Each can be effective in certain match ups
However I think that all of our centers are average at best and will have their hands full on a nightly basis. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:39 am Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | In reality we don't have a top-tier center though I think in a few years Zu will be really good.
Fortunately the ones we have all bring a little something different to the table. Each can be effective in certain match ups
However I think that all of our centers are average at best and will have their hands full on a nightly basis. |
There aren't that many above average let alone good centers in the NBA anymore, if there ever were. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | pio2u wrote: | In reality we don't have a top-tier center though I think in a few years Zu will be really good.
Fortunately the ones we have all bring a little something different to the table. Each can be effective in certain match ups
However I think that all of our centers are average at best and will have their hands full on a nightly basis. |
There aren't that many above average let alone good centers in the NBA anymore, if there ever were. |
M.Gasol
Cousins
KAT
B.Lopez
Horford
Drummond
Whiteside
Howard
P.Gasol
Nikola Vucevic
Jordan
Valanciunas
M.Turner
Gobert
T.Thompson
N.Jokic
S.Adams
Gortat
That's about 17-18 above average/good C's in the NBA
Guys like R.Lopez, E.Kanter, J.Noah, Bogut, Mozogv, Mahinmi, Koufos, Plumlee brothers, Biyombo in the next tier. Wonder where will Mozgov end up in the mix after the season. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | pio2u wrote: | In reality we don't have a top-tier center though I think in a few years Zu will be really good.
Fortunately the ones we have all bring a little something different to the table. Each can be effective in certain match ups
However I think that all of our centers are average at best and will have their hands full on a nightly basis. |
There aren't that many above average let alone good centers in the NBA anymore, if there ever were. |
M.Gasol
Cousins
KAT
B.Lopez
Horford
Drummond
Whiteside
Howard
P.Gasol
Nikola Vucevic
Jordan
Valanciunas
M.Turner
Gobert
T.Thompson
N.Jokic
S.Adams
Gortat
That's about 17-18 above average/good C's in the NBA
Guys like R.Lopez, E.Kanter, J.Noah, Bogut, Mozogv, Mahinmi, Koufos, Plumlee brothers, Biyombo in the next tier. Wonder where will Mozgov end up in the mix after the season. |
You could throw in Nurkic, Embiid, Okafor, Capela, Zaza, possibly a healthy Ezeli, and maybe more if we wanted to. Heck, Monroe and Al Jefferson as backup bigs will do some real damage against second units that can't exploit them on defense. But after about 10-12 names of true two-way bigs above, I think Mozgov can slot comfortably into that next middle tier where he'll be able to hold his own night in and night out. And against the Cousins and Drummonds of the NBA, he'll be able to staunch some of the excessive bleeding we saw last season with Hibbert, Bass, and Sacre as our C rotation. |
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lakersboy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:52 am Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | Tarik is a small ball center that isn't good enough to force the other team to go small in response. He's a great counter to the other team going small but he's a liability if they don't.
Hopefully Zublaca will progress enough that we can play either depending on matchups. | I agree with your summary of Tarik but I don't agree that he's a small ball center. He's a small center who gets taken advantage of by bigger ones. His limited skills prevent him from doing anything except for pass when he's on the perimeter. He doesn't effectively defend against any quality big man and his consistent playing time will be a negative for this up and coming team. |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Tarik Black hate?
It's like Byron all over again. |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Tarik might not be 7 feet, but he plays big and makes the most of his frame. Even when he's not putting up numbers, he still brings the energy and does the little things. I hope he gets good minutes in the rotation. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Fastbreak32 wrote: | Tarik might not be 7 feet, but he plays big and makes the most of his frame. Even when he's not putting up numbers, he still brings the energy and does the little things. I hope he gets good minutes in the rotation. |
Plus, he's got a very solid 7'3 wingspan and 8'11 standing reach with a bit of hops. |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | pio2u wrote: | In reality we don't have a top-tier center though I think in a few years Zu will be really good.
Fortunately the ones we have all bring a little something different to the table. Each can be effective in certain match ups
However I think that all of our centers are average at best and will have their hands full on a nightly basis. |
There aren't that many above average let alone good centers in the NBA anymore, if there ever were. |
M.Gasol
Cousins
KAT
B.Lopez
Horford
Drummond
Whiteside
Howard
P.Gasol
Nikola Vucevic
Jordan
Valanciunas
M.Turner
Gobert
T.Thompson
N.Jokic
S.Adams
Gortat
That's about 17-18 above average/good C's in the NBA
Guys like R.Lopez, E.Kanter, J.Noah, Bogut, Mozogv, Mahinmi, Koufos, Plumlee brothers, Biyombo in the next tier. Wonder where will Mozgov end up in the mix after the season. |
You could throw in Nurkic, Embiid, Okafor, Capela, Zaza, possibly a healthy Ezeli, and maybe more if we wanted to. Heck, Monroe and Al Jefferson as backup bigs will do some real damage against second units that can't exploit them on defense. But after about 10-12 names of true two-way bigs above, I think Mozgov can slot comfortably into that next middle tier where he'll be able to hold his own night in and night out. And against the Cousins and Drummonds of the NBA, he'll be able to staunch some of the excessive bleeding we saw last season with Hibbert, Bass, and Sacre as our C rotation. |
Howard is still on this list for you? _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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lol steven adams is considered a top tier center now? _________________ Kobe |
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