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nshid
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| Juneway wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | JLinfanJoe wrote: | Overall, I'd say just burn the game tape and move onto the next game.
Also like to note that the previous Portland game was 15 games after the Price Davis change for defensive purposes after Celtics game, and Cleveland game will be 20 games. Anyone got any updated defensive, offensive, and advanced stats for the new line up?
IIRC, as of a few games ago the new lineup was still last in the league in terms of defensive rating and points per game, and schedule was nothing like the brutal 15 - 20 games Lakers opened with in November, and team won loss record was still only 6 - 9:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/schedule/ |
Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I noticed that change of style too. But I, or we don't really know what BS talk to him in the locker room. My guess is that Jlin was repeatedly ordered not to do something.
Overall, Clippers just a better team at this point. And both teams play at their normal level last night. |
I agree, the Clippers are just a better overall team. Looking outside in, this loss has nothing to do with the coach. We should call it as it is...the Lakers currently do not have the personnel to beat great teams (consistently). The Lakers should make a few moves. Tarik Black looks promising. If we could get one or two more solid players (at SF and PG positions), we could win some more games while developing some of our younger players and working on our chemistry.
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A Mad Chinaman
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| tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Revealing observations by the pundits
• curious on why these Lakers having problems of consistently bringing EFT (Effort, Focus and Toughness) to every game.
(Is this surprising from a team that admits it was not up to play on Christmas Day)
• JLin and Swaggy were disappointing because they are veterans that know what is required to play in the NBA
• Wish JLin was more aggressive
Are we surprised that the team (with the added focus on JLin and Swaggy) is consistent or not surprised because their play is confirming where they are currently at as players |
we got steamrolled by indiana, of all teams, with 'head of the snake', tough guy price in the starting lineup. there were plenty of "soft" games by our supposedly tough starting lineup.
this can't be pinned on just swaggy and lin. kobe played soft all game and he gets a free pass, and even gets to call others soft.
the team has problem bringing EFT consistently to every game no matter who's in the starting lineup, and that's on coaching. |
It should be noted that Antoine and Big Game called out Swaggy and JLin as veterans that have not consistently provided the required EFT - especially if they are aspiring to elevate to being good NBA players that are playing at the end of games (consistently).
Kobe had a bad shooting night that should have provided plenty of rebound opportunities. A 36 years old veteran of 19 years that was trying to get his rhythm back was having mobility problems on D that was a greater problem because funneling shooters to the paint would have even more wide open dunks.
BScott is the HC, but he cannot control the players' EFT. BScott has made mistakes, like Pop/Doc/Carlisle/Spoelstra/Hollins/Kerr/Zen Master, hence difficult to know what strategies could have worked.
To paraphrased and based on John Ireland's comments shared above, how many bad losses have happened since the lineup change - few. If the value of Price and Johnson was low, why did the team's D and energy dropped so dramatically? |
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lakeshow83
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| 13th Man wrote: | | It's always Lin's fault with BS. LOL. If only Price could have been there we would have won. |
So i take it you didn't see jlin get shook to the point he fell not once but TWICE in the same game. And tho it's not the reason we got drubbed that would be enough for me to value price over lin. This ain't the and1 mixtape!
P.S. Kobe didn't guard Barnes at all and that is a problem but really who respects Matt Barnes offensively? |
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appwrangler
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
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Instead of all this heated discussion here...
could we celebrate the good game of Clarkson at last. As DB wrote - the only bright spot. Time to get positive again. 
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A Mad Chinaman
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| appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
Why would there be mismatches if your teammates do not run with you? It is just going to be one against five. Pushing the pace has to be a team effort as well. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: I still say its the coach-system |
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When I watch another team, lets say the Clippers come down the court I see many open players moving without the ball to the baskets to dropping back to the 3 point line for CP3 to pass to. Granted he's great but he also has open players to pass the ball.
When I see JLin bring the ball up for the Lakers the best I sometimes see is Hill or Boozer at the top of the key. Until the team starts moving around and moving the ball around the defense will be able to stay set, clogging up the driving lanes taking away JLins strength. He's also good in transition but we so rarely were making defensive stops the opportunities were rare. Kobe tried a few times to hit Davis but he wasn't really open and too far out of position. Something tells me this is a coaching issue, not the players. |
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| Only highlight of the game was seeing Clarkson get his confidence up and seeing Tarik Black play....other than that, it was basically a Clippers highlight show with the Lakers watching the action. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: I still say its the coach-system |
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| catman2u wrote: | When I watch another team, lets say the Clippers come down the court I see many open players moving without the ball to the baskets to dropping back to the 3 point line for CP3 to pass to. Granted he's great but he also has open players to pass the ball.
When I see JLin bring the ball up for the Lakers the best I sometimes see is Hill or Boozer at the top of the key. Until the team starts moving around and moving the ball around the defense will be able to stay set, clogging up the driving lanes taking away JLins strength. He's also good in transition but we so rarely were making defensive stops the opportunities were rare. Kobe tried a few times to hit Davis but he wasn't really open and too far out of position. Something tells me this is a coaching issue, not the players. |
Anyone recalled that play that Jlin pass to Sacre inside the paint? It should be an easy catch and dunk. Sacre wasn't even aware of that pass. Sigh- |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
watch the game. Kobe aggressively went after every ball so that he can run the point. they run initial plays just to get the ball into Kobe's hands. even with Lin/Davis on the floor together, it always had to be Kobe initiating the play for some stupid reason. Lin didn't have many screens set for him and he actually sets a lot of screens for Kobe. just like when Nash did for Kobe when he decided to take over the point back then. and when Lin actually got a pick, Ed Davis wasn't in the game with him. so it's mainly pick and pop with Boozer/Hill or force one into Sacre.
when Clarkson finally played better it was during trash minutes when the Clippers lost interests. and it was when Kobe wasn't in the game so Clarkson was able to actually play the point. he was horrible in the first 3 quarters. |
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| i felt that the team played differently when Kobe was in the game. |
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| Once they know they are overmatched, they just start playing half speed. They just get defeated. I cant say i blame them. The team has little to no talent on the roster. This season cant be over soon enough. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| qiantom wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
Why would there be mismatches if your teammates do not run with you? It is just going to be one against five. Pushing the pace has to be a team effort as well. |
Obvious answers include:
• force the opposing team to get back on D
• there could be a delayed/secondary fastbreak opportunities where mismatches will happen because the opposing team had to defend
• it would emphasize the strength of players like Davis that actually run the court
• since JHill and Davis are not efficient in their post moves, it would highlight their ability to get junk points
• there will be more time set up the offense
• identify which players are actually hustling since getting easy baskets are the goals of every good team unless they like to grind it out like Memphis
Outside of these benefits to get early offense/easy baskets, JLin should always slow down to a snail's pace where they have to work hard to get points when the opposing teams are already set up in their defense |
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| kcxiv wrote: | | Once they know they are overmatched, they just start playing half speed. They just get defeated. I cant say i blame them. The team has little to no talent on the roster. This season cant be over soon enough. |
everyone is a pro. even lesser talented team can be very formidable when played correctly in a system. this team has NO system. no structure. no coach. scrubs on the Spurs 2nd unit can destroy this team's 1st unit. that's how badly the Lakers are being coached |
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| lakeshow83 wrote: | | 13th Man wrote: | | It's always Lin's fault with BS. LOL. If only Price could have been there we would have won. |
So i take it you didn't see jlin get shook to the point he fell not once but TWICE in the same game. And tho it's not the reason we got drubbed that would be enough for me to value price over lin. This ain't the and1 mixtape!
P.S. Kobe didn't guard Barnes at all and that is a problem but really who respects Matt Barnes offensively? |
yep he fell over twice. But then the last game Price played his ankles were broken as well so I would not use Price as an example of what to do. |
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| Phillycheese wrote: | | lakeshow83 wrote: | | 13th Man wrote: | | It's always Lin's fault with BS. LOL. If only Price could have been there we would have won. |
So i take it you didn't see jlin get shook to the point he fell not once but TWICE in the same game. And tho it's not the reason we got drubbed that would be enough for me to value price over lin. This ain't the and1 mixtape!
P.S. Kobe didn't guard Barnes at all and that is a problem but really who respects Matt Barnes offensively? |
yep he fell over twice. But then the last game Price played his ankles were broken as well so I would not use Price as an example of what to do. |
Watch the CP3 highlights, Lin was pushed by Paul into Jordan the first time. Second time, Lin face was run over by Jordan's chest. |
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| tyusedney1 wrote: | | kcxiv wrote: | | Once they know they are overmatched, they just start playing half speed. They just get defeated. I cant say i blame them. The team has little to no talent on the roster. This season cant be over soon enough. |
everyone is a pro. even lesser talented team can be very formidable when played correctly in a system. this team has NO system. no structure. no coach. scrubs on the Spurs 2nd unit can destroy this team's 1st unit. that's how badly the Lakers are being coached |
This team has talent, it is just that the other Western Conference teams have players that are more talented and consistent
As mentioned/alluded to above, the Lakers often failed the EFT test
• Effort - inconsistent, which is surprising since most of them are trying to show that they belong in the NBA
• Focus - inconsistent, especially during crunch time. When our bigs are not calling out the coverages, our perimeter players are left exposed (as shown by various other posters in far greater details and videos)
• Toughness - this is something they definitely don't have.
From JLin (a veteran) acting like a follower/good soldier when he should be the general on the floor
From Swaggy (another veteran) not making the adjustments to how teams are now defending him and not making an impact on the game in other areas
From JHill taking long outside shots (dude, there is a reason why teams are leaving you open) while abandoning your strengths that include getting reboinds and hopefully rim protection
From Boozer who should try to take his feet out of cement on defense and be a more formidable consistent on the low block/pinch post on offense
From Johnson who sometime takes a nap on the court then all of a sudden thinks he is Kobe on offense, except he is missing his shots
From Price who plays with the most effort and hustle on D loses that vibe on offense hence making it a 4 on 5 situatiom
The others are trying but it is hard to say that there is no system if the players can't execute the plan. The alternative is to simplify the schemes that now becomes more reliant on talent, which the Lakers don't have
It will be fascinating to see how the team reacts
BScott's possible next move if the team fails to play with pride is to employ a Phil Jackson method - let the starters/veterans either learn on the court what needs to be done or keep them in a very lopsided loss.
As Big Game James stated on the post game show, if an employee showed the effort that was seen on the court - they would have been fired |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tyusedney1 wrote: | | kcxiv wrote: | | Once they know they are overmatched, they just start playing half speed. They just get defeated. I cant say i blame them. The team has little to no talent on the roster. This season cant be over soon enough. |
everyone is a pro. even lesser talented team can be very formidable when played correctly in a system. this team has NO system. no structure. no coach. scrubs on the Spurs 2nd unit can destroy this team's 1st unit. that's how badly the Lakers are being coached |
This team has talent, it is just that the other Western Conference teams have players that are more talented and consistent
As mentioned/alluded to above, the Lakers often failed the EFT test
• Effort - inconsistent, which is surprising since most of them are trying to show that they belong in the NBA
• Focus - inconsistent, especially during crunch time. When our bigs are not calling out the coverages, our perimeter players are left exposed (as shown by various other posters in far greater details and videos)
• Toughness - this is something they definitely don't have.
From JLin (a veteran) acting like a follower/good soldier when he should be the general on the floor
From Swaggy (another veteran) not making the adjustments to how teams are now defending him and not making an impact on the game in other areas
From JHill taking long outside shots (dude, there is a reason why teams are leaving you open) while abandoning your strengths that include getting reboinds and hopefully rim protection
From Boozer who should try to take his feet out of cement on defense and be a more formidable consistent on the low block/pinch post on offense
From Johnson who sometime takes a nap on the court then all of a sudden thinks he is Kobe on offense, except he is missing his shots
From Price who plays with the most effort and hustle on D loses that vibe on offense hence making it a 4 on 5 situatiom
The others are trying but it is hard to say that there is no system if the players can't execute the plan. The alternative is to simplify the schemes that now becomes more reliant on talent, which the Lakers don't have
It will be fascinating to see how the team reacts
BScott's possible next move if the team fails to play with pride is to employ a Phil Jackson method - let the starters/veterans either learn on the court what needs to be done or keep them in a very lopsided loss.
As Big Game James stated on the post game show, if an employee showed the effort that was seen on the court - they would have been fired |
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| tyusedney1 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
watch the game. Kobe aggressively went after every ball so that he can run the point. they run initial plays just to get the ball into Kobe's hands. even with Lin/Davis on the floor together, it always had to be Kobe initiating the play for some stupid reason. Lin didn't have many screens set for him and he actually sets a lot of screens for Kobe. just like when Nash did for Kobe when he decided to take over the point back then. and when Lin actually got a pick, Ed Davis wasn't in the game with him. so it's mainly pick and pop with Boozer/Hill or force one into Sacre.
when Clarkson finally played better it was during trash minutes when the Clippers lost interests. and it was when Kobe wasn't in the game so Clarkson was able to actually play the point. he was horrible in the first 3 quarters. |
I did watch the game and other games
Kobe alway demands a doubleteam because he is a consistent triple threat
Most times when JLin has the ball, he is not proactive and not a consistent triple threat to finish - especially during crunch time. There are always P&R options on every play.
When JLin is proactive, aggressive and confident - he can fulfill much more of his potential. One is not given leadership, it is proven and taken.
Interesting that none of the players were pissed or mad about this bad loss. Hence the difference between Kobe and the others - Kobe hates to lose and the others are satisfied with giving a good effort
Let's see what happens tonight |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tyusedney1 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
watch the game. Kobe aggressively went after every ball so that he can run the point. they run initial plays just to get the ball into Kobe's hands. even with Lin/Davis on the floor together, it always had to be Kobe initiating the play for some stupid reason. Lin didn't have many screens set for him and he actually sets a lot of screens for Kobe. just like when Nash did for Kobe when he decided to take over the point back then. and when Lin actually got a pick, Ed Davis wasn't in the game with him. so it's mainly pick and pop with Boozer/Hill or force one into Sacre.
when Clarkson finally played better it was during trash minutes when the Clippers lost interests. and it was when Kobe wasn't in the game so Clarkson was able to actually play the point. he was horrible in the first 3 quarters. |
I did watch the game and other games
Kobe alway demands a doubleteam because he is a consistent triple threat
Most times when JLin has the ball, he is not proactive and not a consistent triple threat to finish - especially during crunch time. There are always P&R options on every play.
When JLin is proactive, aggressive and confident - he can fulfill much more of his potential. One is not given leadership, it is proven and taken.
Interesting that none of the players were pissed or mad about this bad loss. Hence the difference between Kobe and the others - Kobe hates to lose and the others are satisfied with giving a good effort
Let's see what happens tonight |
I don't think Lin feels he has the green light you speak of to be as "proactive" as he could. I think the coach sends mixed messages so Lin has taken on a more complementary or "pick his spots" role. He will defer to Kobe, Kobe is the legend and it is his team. With Swaggy, I think Lin could be more proactive but Swaggy's game is what it is, sometimes Swaggy just wants to dribble and shoot. I think that's Swag's way of getting into a rhythm, or trying to.
Something you said earlier I don't agree with. Ed and Hill don't have post moves. Hill doesn't, Ed's aren't bad at all, especially if he is in the deep post. |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tyusedney1 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
watch the game. Kobe aggressively went after every ball so that he can run the point. they run initial plays just to get the ball into Kobe's hands. even with Lin/Davis on the floor together, it always had to be Kobe initiating the play for some stupid reason. Lin didn't have many screens set for him and he actually sets a lot of screens for Kobe. just like when Nash did for Kobe when he decided to take over the point back then. and when Lin actually got a pick, Ed Davis wasn't in the game with him. so it's mainly pick and pop with Boozer/Hill or force one into Sacre.
when Clarkson finally played better it was during trash minutes when the Clippers lost interests. and it was when Kobe wasn't in the game so Clarkson was able to actually play the point. he was horrible in the first 3 quarters. |
I did watch the game and other games
Kobe alway demands a doubleteam because he is a consistent triple threat
Most times when JLin has the ball, he is not proactive and not a consistent triple threat to finish - especially during crunch time. There are always P&R options on every play.
When JLin is proactive, aggressive and confident - he can fulfill much more of his potential. One is not given leadership, it is proven and taken.
Interesting that none of the players were pissed or mad about this bad loss. Hence the difference between Kobe and the others - Kobe hates to lose and the others are satisfied with giving a good effort
Let's see what happens tonight |
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| qiantom wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tyusedney1 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
watch the game. Kobe aggressively went after every ball so that he can run the point. they run initial plays just to get the ball into Kobe's hands. even with Lin/Davis on the floor together, it always had to be Kobe initiating the play for some stupid reason. Lin didn't have many screens set for him and he actually sets a lot of screens for Kobe. just like when Nash did for Kobe when he decided to take over the point back then. and when Lin actually got a pick, Ed Davis wasn't in the game with him. so it's mainly pick and pop with Boozer/Hill or force one into Sacre.
when Clarkson finally played better it was during trash minutes when the Clippers lost interests. and it was when Kobe wasn't in the game so Clarkson was able to actually play the point. he was horrible in the first 3 quarters. |
I did watch the game and other games
Kobe alway demands a doubleteam because he is a consistent triple threat
Most times when JLin has the ball, he is not proactive and not a consistent triple threat to finish - especially during crunch time. There are always P&R options on every play.
When JLin is proactive, aggressive and confident - he can fulfill much more of his potential. One is not given leadership, it is proven and taken.
Interesting that none of the players were pissed or mad about this bad loss. Hence the difference between Kobe and the others - Kobe hates to lose and the others are satisfied with giving a good effort
Let's see what happens tonight |
The myth of Kobe always demanding a double team again. |
Silly isnt it? Next thing you know, people will ne claiming lin is a star who the world is holding back. Nah, probably too silly...
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| 24 wrote: | | qiantom wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tyusedney1 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Yesterday BEFORE this game shared his goals for this team - be competitive and entertaining. Since the lineup change, he was counting the "bad" losses and could only identify a few since most of them were against good teams with better records and talent.
Opposing teams know that (outside of Kobe), the only legitimate dependable offensive threats (comparatively) are Swaggy and JLin - hence they are/have been scouted. They have not made the adjustments to show they are more than bench players.
Did Kobe have a bad game, yes. Did Kobe try to be effective in other parts of his game, yes (look at his rebounds and assists, despite other players missing tons of shots). Was Kobe not playing tight D, yes (but if the bigs are not protecting the paint - isn't the preference is make them shooting jump shots instead of layups.
JLIn does have talent to play in the NBA, but does he deserve to be a starter and to close games with an elite team - or at least a flash of brilliance, not yet. He is the PG and BScott is not calling out plays. For those that say it is the system (that CP3 thrived on), look at how Clarkson (when he was playing PG, was bringing up the ball fast (not walking the ball up) and attacking - supposedly JLin's strength. He was rarely aggressive during garbage time, did not set the tone and his game as PG was an egg that the entire team followed. Every game seems to add to the knowledge that he is not able to create against most of PGs in the Western Conference that is laden with great players at that position while not having yet the ability to effectively use screens
Swaggy needs to adjust on teams are now playing him. His bad string of bad shooting nights should make him realize that he needs to expand his game so to adjust how he is being defended. There is also a need to make an impact with other parts of his game such as rebounds, defense and assists. His energy and influence in the game disappeared as opposing teams stuffed him while no other players were able to fill the void.
Are JLin and Swaggy better than what we have seen so far or are we seeing what JLin and Swaggy really are - since they are veterans. |
I like Clarkson and am looking forward to seeing him develop, getting more comfortable on the floor so he can get more playing time. But as far as the fast play, that just looked to me like a rookie using one of his strengths to make an impression in limited time.
Hasn't Lin been getting scolded by Scott this season for going too fast? My understanding is that he's been telling Lin to slow down, to go at the pace of the rest of the team, and Lin follows direction to a fault.
Would love to see Clarkson, Lin, Black and Wes on the floor for an extended stretch, and to see what their fast-paced game could create. |
Isnt driving the paint a major strength of JLin?
Where/When has JLin been scolded because he was not going at the pace of the team - what does that mean? Any player would be "scolded" for playing out of control. If one is not finishing at the basket, one major reason is that the player is out of control. The PG is always setting the tempo/pace. If JLin was constantly pushing the ball, there would be mismatches as the defense is trying to match up hence lending itself to Swaggy and Boozer getting better shots. With teams loading up on Swaggy, he definitely needs help to get cleaner looks and the PG has the most control/influence in doing that.
On your proposed four players, who are the consistent scorers? Your proposed four players would mean that the opposing teams will always be attacking JLin. Who would be your fifth player? |
watch the game. Kobe aggressively went after every ball so that he can run the point. they run initial plays just to get the ball into Kobe's hands. even with Lin/Davis on the floor together, it always had to be Kobe initiating the play for some stupid reason. Lin didn't have many screens set for him and he actually sets a lot of screens for Kobe. just like when Nash did for Kobe when he decided to take over the point back then. and when Lin actually got a pick, Ed Davis wasn't in the game with him. so it's mainly pick and pop with Boozer/Hill or force one into Sacre.
when Clarkson finally played better it was during trash minutes when the Clippers lost interests. and it was when Kobe wasn't in the game so Clarkson was able to actually play the point. he was horrible in the first 3 quarters. |
I did watch the game and other games
Kobe alway demands a doubleteam because he is a consistent triple threat
Most times when JLin has the ball, he is not proactive and not a consistent triple threat to finish - especially during crunch time. There are always P&R options on every play.
When JLin is proactive, aggressive and confident - he can fulfill much more of his potential. One is not given leadership, it is proven and taken.
Interesting that none of the players were pissed or mad about this bad loss. Hence the difference between Kobe and the others - Kobe hates to lose and the others are satisfied with giving a good effort
Let's see what happens tonight |
The myth of Kobe always demanding a double team again. |
Silly isnt it? Next thing you know, people will ne claiming lin is a star who the world is holding back. Nah, probably too silly... |
I suppose you are making a joke? Haha then. |
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