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| songunsw wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Nice to see Byron closing the game with the players who were playing well (Black, Lin, Kelly, Boozer, but especially Black) rather than the normal rotation. It worked out. |
Agree! |
Also agree!
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| diando wrote: | | Great Recap DB, Black was big last night. Sacre should be back to what he does best and that's cheer-leading. |
i laughed. Hard. Thanks.
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
Bench, smech, the point is to get the PG Lin in whatever capacity he is being used coupled with a big man, a PnR man, an active big man to create a solid 2-man tandem at points in the game. He's shown whether it is Chandler, Asik, Howard or Davis and he's had guys like T Jones, Greg Smith and to a degree now has Boozer he works well with in tandem.
We're too into bench this and that in my opinion. Without Kobe the team plays different and there needs to be a balance of how to play with Kobe for everyone on the team. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:44 am Post subject: Re: MAGIC -at- LAKERS - 1-9-15 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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I appreciated the little things, like looking to put a body on someone when a shot goes up instead of watching the flight of the ball; setting hard screens instead of loose ones like some of our bigs who want their own shots; absorbing contact around the rim and finishing through it. He definitely plays bigger than his measurements. |
Hi DB,
Great write-up as always, I quoted the above from your thoughts on Black.
This is what the Lakers team needs a lot more of going forward. You could call it playing big for his measurements or just "heart" but we need more guys who are willing to do the little things like that which ultimately is what wins games.
The Spurs have every guy on their roster doing those kind of things, we have several headcases, self-promoters or just plain soft players.
More Black please. Or less actually, I forgot for a second that I am on Team Tank.
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hope tarik plays hard and makes a name for himself as a defensive and aggressive big, make houston regret. their fans werent high on tarik
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A Mad Chinaman
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| bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
Bench, smech, the point is to get the PG Lin in whatever capacity he is being used coupled with a big man, a PnR man, an active big man to create a solid 2-man tandem at points in the game. He's shown whether it is Chandler, Asik, Howard or Davis and he's had guys like T Jones, Greg Smith and to a degree now has Boozer he works well with in tandem.
We're too into bench this and that in my opinion. Without Kobe the team plays different and there needs to be a balance of how to play with Kobe for everyone on the team. |
One reason why the bench has been mentioned is that this is the best option to maximize the contributions of JLin, Boozer and Swaggy.
When Kobe is on the court, the others need to to MOVE and be aggressive - if they do, Kobe will give them the ball - that is the balance.
When they are stagnant, rattled and/or not up to opposing teams sharply increasing the defensive pressure/execution (especially elite teams) - Kobe (the Ultimate Closer) will settle them down and close the game (finding the balance to win against teams better than the Magic, which is all the other teams not in Philly or NYC) |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
Bench, smech, the point is to get the PG Lin in whatever capacity he is being used coupled with a big man, a PnR man, an active big man to create a solid 2-man tandem at points in the game. He's shown whether it is Chandler, Asik, Howard or Davis and he's had guys like T Jones, Greg Smith and to a degree now has Boozer he works well with in tandem.
We're too into bench this and that in my opinion. Without Kobe the team plays different and there needs to be a balance of how to play with Kobe for everyone on the team. |
One reason why the bench has been mentioned is that this is the best option to maximize the contributions of JLin, Boozer and Swaggy.
When Kobe is on the court, the others need to to MOVE and be aggressive - if they do, Kobe will give them the ball - that is the balance.
When they are stagnant, rattled and/or not up to opposing teams sharply increasing the defensive pressure/execution (especially elite teams) - Kobe (the Ultimate Closer) will settle them down and close the game (finding the balance to win against teams better than the Magic, which is all the other teams not in Philly or NYC) |
in this team, Byron only considers Kobe as a starter, others are just fillers... |
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| Honeybadger81 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
Bench, smech, the point is to get the PG Lin in whatever capacity he is being used coupled with a big man, a PnR man, an active big man to create a solid 2-man tandem at points in the game. He's shown whether it is Chandler, Asik, Howard or Davis and he's had guys like T Jones, Greg Smith and to a degree now has Boozer he works well with in tandem.
We're too into bench this and that in my opinion. Without Kobe the team plays different and there needs to be a balance of how to play with Kobe for everyone on the team. |
One reason why the bench has been mentioned is that this is the best option to maximize the contributions of JLin, Boozer and Swaggy.
When Kobe is on the court, the others need to to MOVE and be aggressive - if they do, Kobe will give them the ball - that is the balance.
When they are stagnant, rattled and/or not up to opposing teams sharply increasing the defensive pressure/execution (especially elite teams) - Kobe (the Ultimate Closer) will settle them down and close the game (finding the balance to win against teams better than the Magic, which is all the other teams not in Philly or NYC) |
in this team, Byron only considers Kobe as a starter, others are just fillers... |
Price as too. 
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| Honeybadger81 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
Bench, smech, the point is to get the PG Lin in whatever capacity he is being used coupled with a big man, a PnR man, an active big man to create a solid 2-man tandem at points in the game. He's shown whether it is Chandler, Asik, Howard or Davis and he's had guys like T Jones, Greg Smith and to a degree now has Boozer he works well with in tandem.
We're too into bench this and that in my opinion. Without Kobe the team plays different and there needs to be a balance of how to play with Kobe for everyone on the team. |
One reason why the bench has been mentioned is that this is the best option to maximize the contributions of JLin, Boozer and Swaggy.
When Kobe is on the court, the others need to to MOVE and be aggressive - if they do, Kobe will give them the ball - that is the balance.
When they are stagnant, rattled and/or not up to opposing teams sharply increasing the defensive pressure/execution (especially elite teams) - Kobe (the Ultimate Closer) will settle them down and close the game (finding the balance to win against teams better than the Magic, which is all the other teams not in Philly or NYC) |
in this team, Byron only considers Kobe as a starter, others are just fillers... |
Well it's kind of true. Lot of one-year types and young players. It's not that they cannot be starters but Scott and the FO are looking for them to prove why they should be starters. Or solid bench players since only 5 can start. Coming off the bench is not always a negative thing if one is solidly in the rotation. Guys are getting chances to show what they can do and the ones that impress may stay (or at least increase their chances for another team picking them up). Team is looking toward the future, next year and years after, as much as the present.
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| Nice to see MACHINE GUN KELLY hitting some 3 pointers |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| SweetP wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Unstable wrote: | Black is turning out fine and Lin is hopefully stabilizing
one of his assistant coaches will be able to convince BS that it may be a good idea to play more of Davis Lin combo |
Hopefully Black will be consistent with his effort and production that continues the praise he received in Houston
JLin has a similar player like Davis in Black to play with him on the bench mob. JLin is playing a role where he has shown the most success, coming off the bench with Swaggy/Boozer against the opposing team's bench. Boozer and JLin were having problems being starters
Davis is needed to cover for JHill and will get feeds from Price and Kobe. With teams now scouting Davis, he will need counters to how he is being defended and better passers to get him the ball.
With Randle, Clarkson, Black, Davis and another draft choice - Lakers are seemingly finding complimentary to good players to build a foundation.
How many prefer the Celtics way (remembering how long it took for that franchise to return to prominence that was attained by FAs not draft choices) with their collection of draft choices (mostly protected first round choices where many will transform into 2nd round draft picks)? |
Bench, smech, the point is to get the PG Lin in whatever capacity he is being used coupled with a big man, a PnR man, an active big man to create a solid 2-man tandem at points in the game. He's shown whether it is Chandler, Asik, Howard or Davis and he's had guys like T Jones, Greg Smith and to a degree now has Boozer he works well with in tandem.
We're too into bench this and that in my opinion. Without Kobe the team plays different and there needs to be a balance of how to play with Kobe for everyone on the team. |
One reason why the bench has been mentioned is that this is the best option to maximize the contributions of JLin, Boozer and Swaggy.
When Kobe is on the court, the others need to to MOVE and be aggressive - if they do, Kobe will give them the ball - that is the balance.
When they are stagnant, rattled and/or not up to opposing teams sharply increasing the defensive pressure/execution (especially elite teams) - Kobe (the Ultimate Closer) will settle them down and close the game (finding the balance to win against teams better than the Magic, which is all the other teams not in Philly or NYC) |
in this team, Byron only considers Kobe as a starter, others are just fillers... |
Well it's kind of true. Lot of one-year types and young players. It's not that they cannot be starters but Scott and the FO are looking for them to prove why they should be starters. Or solid bench players since only 5 can start. Coming off the bench is not always a negative thing if one is solidly in the rotation. Guys are getting chances to show what they can do and the ones that impress may stay (or at least increase their chances for another team picking them up). Team is looking toward the future, next year and years after, as much as the present. |
Mitch (after the understandable mourning period after his 15 years old daughter's death) and Jimmy are looking for starters for a legitimate title-contending team in the Western Conference.
Swaggy, JLin and Boozer are good veterans that will make the bench strong.
JHill and Davis are consistently good for 20+ mpg (if JHill does not fall in love with shooting 18' shots like Dirk and Davis develop some counters to his present offensive moves
Black definitely has potential
Johnson is inconsistent |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| meows a lot wrote: | | hope tarik plays hard and makes a name for himself as a defensive and aggressive big, make houston regret. their fans werent high on tarik |
after just one game, he's already done that. he's our defensive and aggressive big. i like Black and i think he can be that big who can work well with Lin in pnr situations. he'll do the dirty work, set the picks, and roll just like Davis but probably won't be able to finish as nicely but he'll do. now, Byron has no way to avoid Lin's pnr game with a capable big. lol |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| tyusedney1 wrote: | | meows a lot wrote: | | hope tarik plays hard and makes a name for himself as a defensive and aggressive big, make houston regret. their fans werent high on tarik |
after just one game, he's already done that. he's our defensive and aggressive big. i like Black and i think he can be that big who can work well with Lin in pnr situations. he'll do the dirty work, set the picks, and roll just like Davis but probably won't be able to finish as nicely but he'll do. now, Byron has no way to avoid Lin's pnr game with a capable big. lol |
If JLin can limit his periodically sloppy ball-handling that has led to TOs, he will be ok. Since teams have scouted Davis, maybe/probably playing with Boozer/Swaggy to give him room to drive the paint (if he can beat them off the dribble) - with Black to pick up the garbage points - is a good situation for everybody |
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By the way, defense is improving. The Lakers held the Magic to 84 points. That's the lowest opponent score of the season so far. And we recently held the Pacers to 87.
With Davis/Black, we may finally have a solid C rotation. And Kelly seems amazingly solid as Wes's replacement. He's doing Wes's 3&D thing, and I haven't noticed him making any mistakes on D. |
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| KobesRevenge wrote: | By the way, defense is improving. The Lakers held the Magic to 84 points. That's the lowest opponent score of the season so far. And we recently held the Pacers to 87.
With Davis/Black, we may finally have a solid C rotation. And Kelly seems amazingly solid as Wes's replacement. He's doing Wes's 3&D thing, and I haven't noticed him making any mistakes on D. |
It is a good sign. It should be noted that Indy is a low-scoring team and the Magic have a starting lineup where the most experienced players have been in the league for 3 years
The upcoming game is a better indication |
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| KobesRevenge wrote: | By the way, defense is improving. The Lakers held the Magic to 84 points. That's the lowest opponent score of the season so far. And we recently held the Pacers to 87.
With Davis/Black, we may finally have a solid C rotation. And Kelly seems amazingly solid as Wes's replacement. He's doing Wes's 3&D thing, and I haven't noticed him making any mistakes on D. |
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| Lin should be playing 30+min consistently. Starting will make that process easier. But it can be done off the bench too, but Scott just needs to be more creative with his subs. |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | KobesRevenge wrote: | By the way, defense is improving. The Lakers held the Magic to 84 points. That's the lowest opponent score of the season so far. And we recently held the Pacers to 87.
With Davis/Black, we may finally have a solid C rotation. And Kelly seems amazingly solid as Wes's replacement. He's doing Wes's 3&D thing, and I haven't noticed him making any mistakes on D. |
It is a good sign. It should be noted that Indy is a low-scoring team and the Magic have a starting lineup where the most experienced players have been in the league for 3 years
The upcoming game is a better indication |
Granted those are not great offensive teams, but we've been letting other weak teams run up the score. Indy for example scored 110 in a previous meeting. Since defense has been our biggest problem hopefully this means we've turned a corner. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Phillycheese wrote: | | Lin should be playing 30+min consistently. Starting will make that process easier. But it can be done off the bench too, but Scott just needs to be more creative with his subs. |
BScott has given JLin (along with any other players major PT) if they are playing producing, Aggresive and playing with energy. No PT is guaranteed and this is not the Developmental League. |
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| KobesRevenge wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | KobesRevenge wrote: | By the way, defense is improving. The Lakers held the Magic to 84 points. That's the lowest opponent score of the season so far. And we recently held the Pacers to 87.
With Davis/Black, we may finally have a solid C rotation. And Kelly seems amazingly solid as Wes's replacement. He's doing Wes's 3&D thing, and I haven't noticed him making any mistakes on D. |
It is a good sign. It should be noted that Indy is a low-scoring team and the Magic have a starting lineup where the most experienced players have been in the league for 3 years
The upcoming game is a better indication |
Granted those are not great offensive teams, but we've been letting other weak teams run up the score. Indy for example scored 110 in a previous meeting. Since defense has been our biggest problem hopefully this means we've turned a corner. |
In that game, the bigs were ineffective. With BScott now having additional options with Black and RKelly - if JHill, Davis, Boozer or Sacre are tired or not producing - they have empty seats next to BScott to get their energy back |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Phillycheese wrote: | | Lin should be playing 30+min consistently. Starting will make that process easier. But it can be done off the bench too, but Scott just needs to be more creative with his subs. |
BScott has given JLin (along with any other players major PT) if they are playing producing, Aggresive and playing with energy. No PT is guaranteed and this is not the Developmental League. |
BULL. There are times when Lin played great and Byron pulled him. And nobody has to tell Lin his PT isn't guaranteed with what he went through in Houston. Lin is trying to please Byron and be a good team mate at the expense of his own game at times. |
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