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| lakersken80 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | Lowry just wasn't famous enough to be an offseason priority. Probably couldn't have got him anyway because he actually likes his teammates and the city, but if they threw more money at him who knows! He's a bargain at what's he's currently making and I said that at the time.
The Melo obsession was just sad. |
Think management was going for a homerun, which is why they didn't go after guys like Lowry. |
For his contract Lowry has turned out to be a home run or at the least a triple. Hopefully lesson learned.
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | mykeinla wrote: | | Oh i dont know. Did the lakers FO make the right decision with steve nash? |
FO made an "All In" gamble that 99% of the people (including Magic) thought was a great deal
Melo and Lebron are with their present teams and if the Lakers has them, they still would not be the favorites (especially with have multiple $$$$$$$ on the DL and scrubs playing instead).
Would Laker fans sit still with Phil saying that it was his mistake in misjudging the talent while the team is going through a LONG losing streak - nope. DFish is in a bad situation of trying to teach old dogs new tricks and it ain't working
As the article memtioned, Knicks will have CAP space but they will have to overpay one star a max contract to attract others. They have the risk of signing a Rashard Lewis/DWill/Rudy Gay/Amare-type contracts that Isiah Thomas was infamously known for because of the judgement of players that has recently been seen.
Mitch has demonstrated the ability to pick the right star/superstar players to win rings. It might not be fan favs such as Marc Gasol, but Mitch seems to pull off trades that surprises people and win rings |
The Nash deal was not a great deal, sure fans were happy but the price was way to high, the Dwight deal was messy, getting nothing for Gasol was a huge mistake, Mike Brown and MDA coaching debacles were huge mistakes.
Also, the argument that is old is the failure of the CP3 deal. The CP3 deal was not the best deal for the Lakers. Missing out on trading with Houston for Gasol was the biggest mistake. The options with Houston would have been far better than the CP3 deal. What has the CP3 deal done with the Clippers?
Mitch and Jim have made a mess of the Lakers future. Mitch is following orders but he is part of the mess that is the Lakers today.
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Mitch and Jim have made a mess of the Lakers future. Mitch is following orders but he is part of the mess that is the Lakers today. |
Might make this my signature after trade deadline.
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| Voices wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | mykeinla wrote: | | Oh i dont know. Did the lakers FO make the right decision with steve nash? |
FO made an "All In" gamble that 99% of the people (including Magic) thought was a great deal
Melo and Lebron are with their present teams and if the Lakers has them, they still would not be the favorites (especially with have multiple $$$$$$$ on the DL and scrubs playing instead).
Would Laker fans sit still with Phil saying that it was his mistake in misjudging the talent while the team is going through a LONG losing streak - nope. DFish is in a bad situation of trying to teach old dogs new tricks and it ain't working
As the article memtioned, Knicks will have CAP space but they will have to overpay one star a max contract to attract others. They have the risk of signing a Rashard Lewis/DWill/Rudy Gay/Amare-type contracts that Isiah Thomas was infamously known for because of the judgement of players that has recently been seen.
Mitch has demonstrated the ability to pick the right star/superstar players to win rings. It might not be fan favs such as Marc Gasol, but Mitch seems to pull off trades that surprises people and win rings |
The Nash deal was not a great deal, sure fans were happy but the price was way to high, the Dwight deal was messy, getting nothing for Gasol was a huge mistake, Mike Brown and MDA coaching debacles were huge mistakes.
Also, the argument that is old is the failure of the CP3 deal. The CP3 deal was not the best deal for the Lakers. Missing out on trading with Houston for Gasol was the biggest mistake. The options with Houston would have been far better than the CP3 deal. What has the CP3 deal done with the Clippers?
Mitch and Jim have made a mess of the Lakers future. Mitch is following orders but he is part of the mess that is the Lakers today. |
If there's an unspoken popularity requirement the Buss kids have put on new acquisitions I'll give Mitch a pass. The TWC deal, from what little has been confirmed and reported, probably exacerbates an already tough balancing act between pleasing the lowest common denominator and doing what's best to build a quality team. The Knicks are the best example. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Voices wrote: |
Mitch and Jim have made a mess of the Lakers future. Mitch is following orders but he is part of the mess that is the Lakers today. |
Might make this my signature after trade deadline. |
Disclaimer.... use at your own risk 
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Voices wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | mykeinla wrote: | | Oh i dont know. Did the lakers FO make the right decision with steve nash? |
FO made an "All In" gamble that 99% of the people (including Magic) thought was a great deal
Melo and Lebron are with their present teams and if the Lakers has them, they still would not be the favorites (especially with have multiple $$$$$$$ on the DL and scrubs playing instead).
Would Laker fans sit still with Phil saying that it was his mistake in misjudging the talent while the team is going through a LONG losing streak - nope. DFish is in a bad situation of trying to teach old dogs new tricks and it ain't working
As the article memtioned, Knicks will have CAP space but they will have to overpay one star a max contract to attract others. They have the risk of signing a Rashard Lewis/DWill/Rudy Gay/Amare-type contracts that Isiah Thomas was infamously known for because of the judgement of players that has recently been seen.
Mitch has demonstrated the ability to pick the right star/superstar players to win rings. It might not be fan favs such as Marc Gasol, but Mitch seems to pull off trades that surprises people and win rings |
The Nash deal was not a great deal, sure fans were happy but the price was way to high, the Dwight deal was messy, getting nothing for Gasol was a huge mistake, Mike Brown and MDA coaching debacles were huge mistakes.
Also, the argument that is old is the failure of the CP3 deal. The CP3 deal was not the best deal for the Lakers. Missing out on trading with Houston for Gasol was the biggest mistake. The options with Houston would have been far better than the CP3 deal. What has the CP3 deal done with the Clippers?
Mitch and Jim have made a mess of the Lakers future. Mitch is following orders but he is part of the mess that is the Lakers today. |
If there's an unspoken popularity requirement the Buss kids have put on new acquisitions I'll give Mitch a pass. The TWC deal, from what little has been confirmed and reported, probably exacerbates an already tough balancing act between pleasing the lowest common denominator and doing what's best to build a quality team. The Knicks are the best example. |
No doubt Mitch is following orders, taking orders from a spoiled owner has got to be hard to take, however putting bread on the table is the highest priority for any family, so I will give Mitch 1/2 a pass.
The Knicks are a mess, but cleaning house needs to be done before the team can move forward.
It will be interesting to see who recovers from bad management first, the Lakers or Knicks.
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It will be interesting to see who recovers from bad management first, the Lakers or Knicks. |
That's an excellent thought to ponder on. And historically, when it comes to demolition cleaning your own mess isn't as thorough and effective as someone new coming in and doing it without care for sentimental values.
In the Lakers' case, they're still stuck on we're the Champion Lakers and want to replaster the old glories instead of erecting new ones. Phil, even with his illustrious resume, knows tearing down and starting with close to nothing (tanking) is the best thing to do. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | Lowry just wasn't famous enough to be an offseason priority. Probably couldn't have got him anyway because he actually likes his teammates and the city, but if they threw more money at him who knows! He's a bargain at what's he's currently making and I said that at the time.
The Melo obsession was just sad. |
Think management was going for a homerun, which is why they didn't go after guys like Lowry. |
For his contract Lowry has turned out to be a home run or at the least a triple. Hopefully lesson learned. |
This is a prime case of working backward from a premise and making it fit, when it fact it doesn't really. Toronto has built their team around Lowry, given him the coach he praises for turning him into the player he could be, put him beside a complementary option that also happens to be his best buddy, and stocked the team with more complementary players, some young with upside. All in a city he truly loves living in. Hes happy as can be there, so while he will certainly look at offers, he had no real desire to leave. He believes in what they are doing, and as you can see, that belief is not misplaced. They are a solid team.
But even if he was entertaining LA as a serious alternative, he could easily have waited, because Toronto was not going to just go a different direction. He probably could have gotten even more money. The bottom line is he didn't really want LA more than Toronto.
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| 24 wrote: | | The bottom line is he didn't really want LA more than Toronto. |
Agreed.
Note to Jim. LA isn't the destination for everybody like you think it is. Should know that by now. |
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| 24 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | Lowry just wasn't famous enough to be an offseason priority. Probably couldn't have got him anyway because he actually likes his teammates and the city, but if they threw more money at him who knows! He's a bargain at what's he's currently making and I said that at the time.
The Melo obsession was just sad. |
Think management was going for a homerun, which is why they didn't go after guys like Lowry. |
For his contract Lowry has turned out to be a home run or at the least a triple. Hopefully lesson learned. |
This is a prime case of working backward from a premise and making it fit, when it fact it doesn't really. Toronto has built their team around Lowry, given him the coach he praises for turning him into the player he could be, put him beside a complementary option that also happens to be his best buddy, and stocked the team with more complementary players, some young with upside. All in a city he truly loves living in. Hes happy as can be there, so while he will certainly look at offers, he had no real desire to leave. He believes in what they are doing, and as you can see, that belief is not misplaced. They are a solid team.
But even if he was entertaining LA as a serious alternative, he could easily have waited, because Toronto was not going to just go a different direction. He probably could have gotten even more money. The bottom line is he didn't really want LA more than Toronto. |
Lowry made it clear Lakers told him he wasn't anywhere near a priority so of course he would cling a not more to Toronto. I don't disgree that Toronto has been good for him. My point is that for this upcoming free agency I hope we don't waste time on MGasol and Rondo for 2 weeks while someone like Dragic slips away.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Did the FO make the right decisions regarding LBJ, Melo, Zen Master & DFish? |
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The Lakers didn't make any decision with Melo and Lebron. We wanted them both but they decided to go elsewhere |
Exactly. If anything the Lakers FO made the wrong decision by sitting on their hands at all and waiting for Melo and LJ's.
There's a kid out east, last name Lowry, that went on record saying he was interested in the Lakers but they were in wait and see mode... Maybe lost a shot at some other good pieces.
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Phil Jackson, Fish and the triangle were not the right for the Lakers... glad they went to a different direction... but then they hire this guy who absolutely has probably zero idea what he is doing... 
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Did the FO make the right decisions regarding LBJ, Melo, Zen Master & DFish? |
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| deal wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
The Lakers didn't make any decision with Melo and Lebron. We wanted them both but they decided to go elsewhere |
Exactly. If anything the Lakers FO made the wrong decision by sitting on their hands at all and waiting for Melo and LJ's.
There's a kid out east, last name Lowry, that went on record saying he was interested in the Lakers but they were in wait and see mode... Maybe lost a shot at some other good pieces. |
Heck Isaiah Thomas got on his hands and knees and begged to play for the Lakers. Lakers weren't interested. It's like a starving Ethiopian turning down a Filet Mignon. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Did the FO make the right decisions regarding LBJ, Melo, Zen Master & DFish? |
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| kray28_ wrote: | | deal wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
The Lakers didn't make any decision with Melo and Lebron. We wanted them both but they decided to go elsewhere |
Exactly. If anything the Lakers FO made the wrong decision by sitting on their hands at all and waiting for Melo and LJ's.
There's a kid out east, last name Lowry, that went on record saying he was interested in the Lakers but they were in wait and see mode... Maybe lost a shot at some other good pieces. |
Heck Isaiah Thomas got on his hands and knees and begged to play for the Lakers. Lakers weren't interested. It's like a starving Ethiopian turning down a Filet Mignon. |
Lol, no doubt.....
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| ok....maybe you guys don't remember how it happened....but the lakers didn't make any decisions....they got shut out. |
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| clutchkobe wrote: | | ok....maybe you guys don't remember how it happened....but the lakers didn't make any decisions....they got shut out. |
It's a blessing in disguise we missed out on Melo. The decision that most of us have an issue with is the choice to go for a homerun at the cost of adding decent talent to this team.
It's idiotic. I'd rather acquire good players and build a decent team...the good team will put butts in the seats. Look at how West built the Lake Show...it's a great blueprint actually.
After he built the better team....he used it as a carrot to sign Shaq. Do you think Shaq would have signed with a team that had no coach and two players under contract? Think about how preposterous the pitch must have been. |
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We just delayed the inevitable post Kobe rebuild. Heaven help us all (and the FO).
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1. Wasn't a question of Phil being GM, it was of him being coach. And given the fallout from the MDA mess, I would say we missed on that one. Give me one article that proves being a gm was a requirement by Phil.
2. Fish was never in the running as coach here.
3. If they're available, you get lebron or melo. Either one paired with Kobe probably would've made each other's lives easier. Plus imagine the ticket sales.
I think we whiffed on 3 and 1 (Phil as coach). |
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| clutchkobe wrote: | | ok....maybe you guys don't remember how it happened....but the lakers didn't make any decisions....they got shut out. |
Pretty much. The FO was saved from itself |
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| SDLakersFan wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | | I suspect LeBron and Melo were on (PEDs), such as HGH or steroid, since the NBA tightened the PED tests, both of them trimmed down, look slimmer in the summer, LeBron played under the rim most the time this season... now both of them are injured |
Dead on!
Earlier in the summer I was reading something about the NBA possibly beginning to test players for PEDs and maybe a month or so later you go on instagram to find Melo AND Lebron looking the thinnest they've looked since their rookie seasons. Sorry but I'm not buying the "its a coincidence" theory. |
yup.
My friend make a pretty good point..
"does it not sound weird to you how LeBron just randomly lost all this weight and starts breaking down just as Adam Silver takes over? I have a feeling David Stern just looked the other way, Silver looks like he is all business".
Could be a coincidence, but it definitely stands out. Would be worth noting that my friend is a laker/kobe hater too lol (he caught me off guard with his comments) |
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| kray28_ wrote: | | clutchkobe wrote: | | ok....maybe you guys don't remember how it happened....but the lakers didn't make any decisions....they got shut out. |
It's a blessing in disguise we missed out on Melo. The decision that most of us have an issue with is the choice to go for a homerun at the cost of adding decent talent to this team.
It's idiotic. I'd rather acquire good players and build a decent team...the good team will put butts in the seats. Look at how West built the Lake Show...it's a great blueprint actually.
After he built the better team....he used it as a carrot to sign Shaq. Do you think Shaq would have signed with a team that had no coach and two players under contract? Think about how preposterous the pitch must have been. |
Agreed that (officially), Melo and Lebron made their own decisions.
The FO's decision was the urgency and whether it was an "All In" pitch like what they made to Shaq. One could say that with a healthy Kobe and Nash, with either a healthy Melo or LeBron, could/would have been a better situation than wiThe New York or Cleveland (roster-wise) because they still could have gotten many of the players currently on the roster.
Apparently the FO made a long-term decision that was made easier (PR-wise) by their decisions.
Would Laker fans be patient suffering through Phil's growing pains as a GM with DFish as a coach and accept his words that it is his fault? The pain would a hundred fold worse because Mitch would have left the Lakers.
What would be the future to have $$$$$$ committed to an inexperienced GM/HC and Melo/LBJ/Kobe on the DL during a losing season? |
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Now that Phil seems to be changing course and going full tank, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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| I don't know what this FO is doing, they suck. Even if we landed Kobe/Melo/LBJ the defense would be (bleep). You can see this with the Cavs and LOL Knicks. I'm in a bad mood |
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| laserboy wrote: | Now that Phil seems to be changing course and going full tank, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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From your link, the following paragraph was the most thought provoking to me:
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In short, Knicks need everything except a small forward. You wonder if a first-timer like Jackson is ready for the challenge of creating a contender efficiently rather than hastily. For years, Jackson and Michael Jordan often mocked GM Jerry Krause for some of the decisions he made during the Bulls' dynasty. Yet, in what seems like a bit of comeuppance, both Jordan and Jackson (so far) have struggled to find the right touch as team-builders.
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| 24 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | Lowry just wasn't famous enough to be an offseason priority. Probably couldn't have got him anyway because he actually likes his teammates and the city, but if they threw more money at him who knows! He's a bargain at what's he's currently making and I said that at the time.
The Melo obsession was just sad. |
Think management was going for a homerun, which is why they didn't go after guys like Lowry. |
For his contract Lowry has turned out to be a home run or at the least a triple. Hopefully lesson learned. |
This is a prime case of working backward from a premise and making it fit, when it fact it doesn't really. Toronto has built their team around Lowry, given him the coach he praises for turning him into the player he could be, put him beside a complementary option that also happens to be his best buddy, and stocked the team with more complementary players, some young with upside. All in a city he truly loves living in. Hes happy as can be there, so while he will certainly look at offers, he had no real desire to leave. He believes in what they are doing, and as you can see, that belief is not misplaced. They are a solid team.
But even if he was entertaining LA as a serious alternative, he could easily have waited, because Toronto was not going to just go a different direction. He probably could have gotten even more money. The bottom line is he didn't really want LA more than Toronto. |
LMAO you guys are laying it on pretty thick. Short term memory or nah?
And I quote...
| Quote: | According to several reports, the Knicks were prepared to trade Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace plus Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway Jr. or a 2018 first-round pick. The Raptors preferred the first-round pick, but Dolan — who negotiated the Carmelo Anthony trade with Raptors GM Masai Ujiri when Ujiri was with the Denver Nuggets — got cold feet about trading a future asset. That could open the door for the Brooklyn Nets to acquire Lowry instead.
“Dolan didn’t want to get fleeced again by Masai,” was how one Knicks source put it. “They had a deal ready.” |
The Raptors were hours away from trading Lowry for Felton, Artest, and a 1st Round Pick.
Who knows how that trade could've reshaped things for both franchises. Maybe the Knicks would suck and still be in rebuild mode. Maybe Melo + Lowry was enough to make noise in the East. |
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