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Lakerpark
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 Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:59 am Post subject: How's Ryan Kelly doing? |
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Good Morning Everyone,
I'd like to hear what your opinions are of Ryan Kelly's performance since his return. I know some of you guys are much more detailed in your assessments.
I think Ryan has been playing mostly at Small forward since his return. He was pretty rusty at the start but now he is looking much better. I can see he's hitting his outsides shots better now.
He's always been a good passer and a smart player.
Seems like he is rebounding better, especially in the past few games.
How's his defense been? Especially since he is guarding the Small Forwards now.
With Wes playing better (at least shooting better) lately and seemingly cementing his starting role, Ryan seems like a good person to be the SF off the bench. |
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| Kelly's doing great. He's defending well, mixing it up in the paint and his shot has come around. He's doing everything they expected from him, so he'll probably be glued to the bench for the rest of the season. |
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LakerDYnasty72
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RKelly is playing well. If the kid had not gotten hurt coming out of college we would not have acquired him.
If we can make it happen, Kelly, Black, & Davis give us a nice core to add a top 5 pick too, along with a max free agent going forward....uh, that guy Randle too.. 
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Sacre likely gone next year. Black just took his spot.
Kelly/Randle/Black will form our PF rotation. We probably go shopping for a big/PG this summer, bring back Wes at the SF spot and pray Kobe has enough in the tank to play 60 games next year.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Sacre likely gone next year. Black just took his spot.
Kelly/Randle/Black will form our PF rotation. We probably go shopping for a big/PG this summer, bring back Wes at the SF spot and pray Kobe has enough in the tank to play 60 games next year. |
If we get lucky enough in the draft, we can draft a C for the future. Depending on who that pick is (Okafor can start right away, Towns may be a bit too raw to do so), and how they do in the free agency market, they can pick up Hill's contract for next year and keep him at C. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Sacre likely gone next year. Black just took his spot.
Kelly/Randle/Black will form our PF rotation. We probably go shopping for a big/PG this summer, bring back Wes at the SF spot and pray Kobe has enough in the tank to play 60 games next year. |
Sacre will only be gone if we need to use him in a trade, or we need the roster spot. He's locked in cheap as a deep bench insurance guy, and they likely won't dump that for 400k in cap room. Unless they get another big and re-sign Davis, in which case Black becomes that guy.
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| LuciusAllen wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sacre likely gone next year. Black just took his spot.
Kelly/Randle/Black will form our PF rotation. We probably go shopping for a big/PG this summer, bring back Wes at the SF spot and pray Kobe has enough in the tank to play 60 games next year. |
If we get lucky enough in the draft, we can draft a C for the future. Depending on who that pick is (Okafor can start right away, Towns may be a bit too raw to do so), and how they do in the free agency market, they can pick up Hill's contract for next year and keep him at C. |
Hill's team option would have to be picked up b/f free agency, and I'm almost 100% sure they won't do that ($9m).
If we got Okafor, I think we go with Randle/Kelly/Black, maybe re-up Ed Davis. We'd have probably enough to go after a 15-17m contract too.
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| Kelly/Randle/Black is a solid, young rotation of PF's that I could live with; I'd try to trade Jordan at this point and re-up on Davis to play backup 5. I still see Sacre being here because he's cheap, and if need be, you could play him spot minutes in an emergency. |
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We're likely going to have 3 more rookies coming in next season. Well, that depends on if we keep our top 5 and land the Houston 2nd.
Assuming we do, hopefully we grab our pg/center from the draft instead of maxing out anyone this summer. |
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Lakerpark
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But if the Lakers have a PF group of Kelly/Randle/Black wouldn't that mean that Black would be buried on the bench? They don't usually play three PFs in a game. Black would do the dirty work and hopefully be too valuable to play minimal minutes as the third PF.
Davis would be a good back up C.
Neither Davis or Black are legit starting Centers.
Assuming the Lakers eventually pick up a full size center (7 footer) wouldn't you think that one guy (out of Randle, Kelly, Black, Davis) has to go?
That's also assuming Boozer doesn't come back and Hill is traded.
Sacre can sit on the bench.
Unless Kelly can become a small forward. |
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Mini Mamba
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| Lakerpark wrote: | But if the Lakers have a PF group of Kelly/Randle/Black wouldn't that mean that Black would be buried on the bench? They don't usually play three PFs in a game. Black would do the dirty work and hopefully be too valuable to play minimal minutes as the third PF.
Davis would be a good back up C.
Neither Davis or Black are legit starting Centers.
Assuming the Lakers eventually pick up a full size center (7 footer) wouldn't you think that one guy (out of Randle, Kelly, Black, Davis) has to go?
That's also assuming Boozer doesn't come back and Hill is traded.
Sacre can sit on the bench.
Unless Kelly can become a small forward. |
Too much depth is never a bad problem to have.
Injuries occur every season so having a deep bench is important.
Kelly has shown that he can play some SF and Randle could too for short minutes. |
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| He's holding his own. Too early to tell. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | We're likely going to have 3 more rookies coming in next season. Well, that depends on if we keep our top 5 and land the Houston 2nd.
Assuming we do, hopefully we grab our pg/center from the draft instead of maxing out anyone this summer. |
The lottery pick will most likely be determined by the bouncing ping pong balls, as we will most assuredly not finish with either the first or second worse record by season's end. We will definitely retain that Houston 1st rounder, as it's only protected between 1 - 14, and the Rockets(barring injuries to Howard and Harden) will not finish the season that badly. We retain our own 2nd rounder from Orlando if it falls between 31-40, which it most certainly will, given the fact that the Lakers currently have the fifth worst record in the league. That other "potential" 2nd round pick currently belongs to the Clippers. We can keep it if it falls between spots 51 - 55. Not an enormous window, but right now the Clippers are currently sitting at number 51 in the 2nd round. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakerpark wrote: | | But if the Lakers have a PF group of Kelly/Randle/Black wouldn't that mean that Black would be buried on the bench? They don't usually play three PFs in a game. Black would do the dirty work and hopefully be too valuable to play minimal minutes as the third PF. |
I'd say it just means you have guys fighting to get time. Neither Randle, Kelly nor Black are proven players in this league. No reason to assume any of them has won a job or a guaranteed slot in the rotation. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | We're likely going to have 3 more rookies coming in next season. Well, that depends on if we keep our top 5 and land the Houston 2nd.
Assuming we do, hopefully we grab our pg/center from the draft instead of maxing out anyone this summer. |
It's pretty rare these days to draft a player who is ready to start in the NBA out of the box, especially at center or point guard. So I doubt anyone we drafted in the late first round or second round would affect our free agent strategy. The Lakers will go after Gasol, Greg Monroe; whoever unexpectedly opts out or doesn't resign with his team (Lebron, Love, Leonard); and maybe some of the restricted guys and hope their teams don't match.
We have so many holes, I'd say our strategy should be just to get talent, and not worry about position. |
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| Which is why I hope the Lakers luck into drafting a very good big. If you have enough talent around him he'll be allowed to come into his own at a steady pace rather than throwing him out there as a top 5 pick as a primary option. |
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I think Ryan Kelly can play but his main problem is his injuries. This is a guy who has never stayed healthy in his career. I would personally trade him if he can maintain his play and remain healthy for a period of time, say 1 month.  Trade him while his stocks are high. |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Why is everyone's mentality here to trade somebody?
Ryan Kelly was injured to begin with when the Lakers drafted him.
Last season once he was healthy, he was pretty durable which is more than you can say for the majority of the roster that year.
Ryan Kelly is a good role player. He won't be an all-star or starter quality player.. but he's a very good player to have coming off the bench.
Solid defensively. Solid basketball IQ. IMO he needs to improve his strength and work on a post game to give him the ability to play inside or outside. |
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misterrunon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| i think ryan kelly.. his ceiling can be a 15/8 type player who is a well-rounded player with no gaping weaknesses. |
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| Lakerpark wrote: | But if the Lakers have a PF group of Kelly/Randle/Black wouldn't that mean that Black would be buried on the bench? They don't usually play three PFs in a game. Black would do the dirty work and hopefully be too valuable to play minimal minutes as the third PF.
Davis would be a good back up C.
Neither Davis or Black are legit starting Centers.
Assuming the Lakers eventually pick up a full size center (7 footer) wouldn't you think that one guy (out of Randle, Kelly, Black, Davis) has to go?
That's also assuming Boozer doesn't come back and Hill is traded.
Sacre can sit on the bench.
Unless Kelly can become a small forward. |
Black started at center for the Rockets, so he'd be fine as the backup C. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Kelly, Sacre, and Clarkson are the most valuable guys on the team. They are wrapped up next year and make peanuts. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | Kelly, Sacre, and Clarkson are the most valuable guys on the team. They are wrapped up next year and make peanuts. |
The words Sacre and Valuable used in the same sentence, is just painful to hear/read. sorry. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | Why is everyone's mentality here to trade somebody? |
Because we have a bunch of decent Power Forwards and we are lacking in some other areas... mainly a real Center.
Looking for balance. |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | Why is everyone's mentality here to trade somebody?
Ryan Kelly was injured to begin with when the Lakers drafted him.
Last season once he was healthy, he was pretty durable which is more than you can say for the majority of the roster that year.
Ryan Kelly is a good role player. He won't be an all-star or starter quality player.. but he's a very good player to have coming off the bench.
Solid defensively. Solid basketball IQ. IMO he needs to improve his strength and work on a post game to give him the ability to play inside or outside. |
Just the kind of player you keep, like San Antonio has done with Matt Bonner |
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