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| DJ Slik wrote: | | byron just LET the heat run off 18 in a row to start the game. totally incapable of making ANY adjustments. and his substitutions are pure insane randomness. if it's not tanking it's accidental (bleep) unintentional tanking. |
That's exactly what I was thinking in my head, is he ever going to adjust or call a darn timeout? |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided additional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
IMHO, based on the games they've played, i think we're playing under our standards. seeing how close they were a few times of beating good teams (with their full squad) but yet struggle against bad teams tells me that yes, they're young and inexperienced, but when they're focused and playing like they know what they're doing, they can be a pretty decent team. but scott hasn't been able to get them there on a consistent basis. it's not the lack of physical talent that's holding them back - it's between the ears. and it's the coaches fault? early on i'd say no. the players just need to gain some experience. but 30some games in and things haven't improved? that's on the coach, because obviously whatever he doing is not working, no matter what lineup he puts out there.
and as for lin. you're absolutely right. he can be pretty streaky and as someone who has watched him for half a season already, scott should know that once he gets going and starts playing aggressively, he can be pretty effective. certainly a heck a lot more than price. he may not always do it the minutes he comes in, but when it's on, it's on. and he took him out precisely once he got going and put in a guy that hasn't done anything all game. that's puzzling.
i just think he loves his timeouts, as we all know, and lin burning that timeout by getting himself trapped really ticked him off. |
Players are talented but they have an inability to be at their best when the best is required. The HC's responsibility is to place them in a position to win games, which BScott has done.
JLin has a much greater potential than Price but has not been consistent. The above-described TOs that just preceded his place to the bench obviously was something BScott did not like
Regarding the 0-18 start, one might think that BScott was using a Phil Jackson ploy - let the team figure it out how to get it together - especially since Kobe was on the court and it happened at the beginning of the game. Why would one change strategy when effort/focus/toughness were the issues? |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Why would one change strategy when effort/focus/toughness were the issues? |
Even if it is only an effort issue, as a head coach you call a time-out and do your best to realign players. Do something for them to be focused and provide an effort. To help them get out of the slump and start playing the way the are supposed to.
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| maomao wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided Addiyional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
such double standard there, invisible has a new meaning I guess.
it's all good though. I get your point. |
Interesting, I must have watched another game. During Lin's first stint, he scored a basket, got an assist and rebound, and nearly made a 70' end of quarter heave. He also fluffed a clear layup. On the defensive side he drew a charge on Ennis and nearly stripped Wade but got called for a foul. So I thought he was pretty engaged on both ends of the court. He certainly played better in his second stint.
Yep right before he was benched he clalled a time out to avoid a turnover, got replaced by Price, who immediately proceeded to turn the ball over. Ironic isn't? |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Phillycheese wrote: | | maomao wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided Addiyional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
such double standard there, invisible has a new meaning I guess.
it's all good though. I get your point. |
Interesting, I must have watched another game. During Lin's first stint, he scored a basket, got an assist and rebound, and nearly made a 70' end of quarter heave. He also fluffed a clear layup. On the defensive side he drew a charge on Ennis and nearly stripped Wade but got called for a foul. So I thought he was pretty engaged on both ends of the court. He certainly played better in his second stint.
Yep right before he was benched he clalled a time out to avoid a turnover, got replaced by Price, who immediately proceeded to turn the ball over. Ironic isn't? |
my compliments for seeing a different game that Big Shot Rob and Big Game James saw when they cemmented that JLin was invisible.
I guess you missed the game that John Ireland saw (was he at the game, lol) where he shared that he went 1 for 5 before making his last two shots
JLin was effective at certain parts of the game (given that he only played 16 minutes!?!!!), many times he walked the ball up then passed the ball (ala DFish) or of the few times that he kept his dribble - he held the ball for almost the entire shot clock. He has displayed his speed and ability to attack (though not forcing doubleteams, one wonders why he isn't attacking more - even if unsuccessful since that is the strength of his game. If JLin is not influencing the game consistently (like he can), Price will play more because his effort level is consistently high. Based on talent, JLin should be playing more
However, the team is playing to the expectations of many. They are good enough to play hard and be competitive for most of the game. They don't have the talent, focus and mental toughness to beat elite teams - consistently. Their inexperience and recognition that effort is needed for every game, they have been beaten by bad teams
I guess that you missed that JLin dribbled the ball to one of the dangerous part of the court and picked up his dribble allowing the doubleteam be even more effective where he was lucky to get a TO |
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| Maybe you need to focus on the zero pt effort in 30+ minute player rather than the sub that played half the minute. When you sit on the bench for that long, its no surprise the announvers don't see you. |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided additional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
IMHO, based on the games they've played, i think we're playing under our standards. seeing how close they were a few times of beating good teams (with their full squad) but yet struggle against bad teams tells me that yes, they're young and inexperienced, but when they're focused and playing like they know what they're doing, they can be a pretty decent team. but scott hasn't been able to get them there on a consistent basis. it's not the lack of physical talent that's holding them back - it's between the ears. and it's the coaches fault? early on i'd say no. the players just need to gain some experience. but 30some games in and things haven't improved? that's on the coach, because obviously whatever he doing is not working, no matter what lineup he puts out there.
and as for lin. you're absolutely right. he can be pretty streaky and as someone who has watched him for half a season already, scott should know that once he gets going and starts playing aggressively, he can be pretty effective. certainly a heck a lot more than price. he may not always do it the minutes he comes in, but when it's on, it's on. and he took him out precisely once he got going and put in a guy that hasn't done anything all game. that's puzzling.
i just think he loves his timeouts, as we all know, and lin burning that timeout by getting himself trapped really ticked him off. |
Players are talented but they have an inability to be at their best when the best is required. The HC's responsibility is to place them in a position to win games, which BScott has done.
JLin has a much greater potential than Price but has not been consistent. The above-described TOs that just preceded his place to the bench obviously was something BScott did not like
Regarding the 0-18 start, one might think that BScott was using a Phil Jackson ploy - let the team figure it out how to get it together - especially since Kobe was on the court and it happened at the beginning of the game. Why would one change strategy when effort/focus/toughness were the issues? |
Please... a complete disrespect to the zen master to even consider comparing this fool to a HOFer coach. Simple explanation, BS just went full (bleep). |
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JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
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Actually Lin was 1-4 and 1 of those shots was a quarter ending 60 foot heave. He hit 2 out of 3 after. He was a +9 for the game and was playing aggressive. If not for 3-4 missed gimmees by his teammates, he would have ended up with 5-6 assists for his 16 minutes.
Scott should have benched the ENTIRE starting lineup after it hit 15-0. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Firelord_Rag wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided additional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
IMHO, based on the games they've played, i think we're playing under our standards. seeing how close they were a few times of beating good teams (with their full squad) but yet struggle against bad teams tells me that yes, they're young and inexperienced, but when they're focused and playing like they know what they're doing, they can be a pretty decent team. but scott hasn't been able to get them there on a consistent basis. it's not the lack of physical talent that's holding them back - it's between the ears. and it's the coaches fault? early on i'd say no. the players just need to gain some experience. but 30some games in and things haven't improved? that's on the coach, because obviously whatever he doing is not working, no matter what lineup he puts out there.
and as for lin. you're absolutely right. he can be pretty streaky and as someone who has watched him for half a season already, scott should know that once he gets going and starts playing aggressively, he can be pretty effective. certainly a heck a lot more than price. he may not always do it the minutes he comes in, but when it's on, it's on. and he took him out precisely once he got going and put in a guy that hasn't done anything all game. that's puzzling.
i just think he loves his timeouts, as we all know, and lin burning that timeout by getting himself trapped really ticked him off. |
Players are talented but they have an inability to be at their best when the best is required. The HC's responsibility is to place them in a position to win games, which BScott has done.
JLin has a much greater potential than Price but has not been consistent. The above-described TOs that just preceded his place to the bench obviously was something BScott did not like
Regarding the 0-18 start, one might think that BScott was using a Phil Jackson ploy - let the team figure it out how to get it together - especially since Kobe was on the court and it happened at the beginning of the game. Why would one change strategy when effort/focus/toughness were the issues? |
Please... a complete disrespect to the zen master to even consider comparing this fool to a HOFer coach. Simple explanation, BS just went full (bleep). |
Not comparing the two coaches. it is one possible ploy that has been used by many coaches. Since this is a familiar ploy of Jackson, it was identified accordingly (also by Pop).
The call for changes is fun to make, but what other options are available of the deficit that occurred within the first few minutes
BScott has tried the following
• Call a TO
• Substitution(s)
Look forward to what good coaches would have done |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Firelord_Rag wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided additional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
IMHO, based on the games they've played, i think we're playing under our standards. seeing how close they were a few times of beating good teams (with their full squad) but yet struggle against bad teams tells me that yes, they're young and inexperienced, but when they're focused and playing like they know what they're doing, they can be a pretty decent team. but scott hasn't been able to get them there on a consistent basis. it's not the lack of physical talent that's holding them back - it's between the ears. and it's the coaches fault? early on i'd say no. the players just need to gain some experience. but 30some games in and things haven't improved? that's on the coach, because obviously whatever he doing is not working, no matter what lineup he puts out there.
and as for lin. you're absolutely right. he can be pretty streaky and as someone who has watched him for half a season already, scott should know that once he gets going and starts playing aggressively, he can be pretty effective. certainly a heck a lot more than price. he may not always do it the minutes he comes in, but when it's on, it's on. and he took him out precisely once he got going and put in a guy that hasn't done anything all game. that's puzzling.
i just think he loves his timeouts, as we all know, and lin burning that timeout by getting himself trapped really ticked him off. |
Players are talented but they have an inability to be at their best when the best is required. The HC's responsibility is to place them in a position to win games, which BScott has done.
JLin has a much greater potential than Price but has not been consistent. The above-described TOs that just preceded his place to the bench obviously was something BScott did not like
Regarding the 0-18 start, one might think that BScott was using a Phil Jackson ploy - let the team figure it out how to get it together - especially since Kobe was on the court and it happened at the beginning of the game. Why would one change strategy when effort/focus/toughness were the issues? |
Please... a complete disrespect to the zen master to even consider comparing this fool to a HOFer coach. Simple explanation, BS just went full (bleep). |
Not comparing the two coaches. it is one possible ploy that has been used by many coaches. Since this is a familiar ploy of Jackson, it was identified accordingly (also by Pop).
The call for changes is fun to make, but what other options are available of the deficit that occurred within the first few minutes
BScott has tried the following
• Call a TO
• Substitution(s)
Look forward to what good coaches would have done |
Are you one of the current coaches? |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Phillycheese wrote: | | maomao wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Tonight's game is additional evidence of what Big Game James said about the team - they are giving good effort but the talent (expertise) is less than the vast majority of the opposing teams
It is hard to know what schemes BScott is using when they are obviously missing assignments or not executing well (like being in No Man's Land on defense and not moving/cutting on offense)
JLin should homage gotten a few more minutes but it would not have made any difference. With Johnson not effective, maybe future games will have JLin and Price for our guards and Kobe at SF so that he can post more often
JLin has often embrace Wes Johnson persona of being The Invisible Man - quite a feat considering he is the PG
Ellington has not been productive, hence DNPCD
Giving Clarkson some run migjt have helped
The guys battled as they provided Addiyional evidence of where they are presently at as players.
The team is competitive and playing to expectations |
blaming it all on talent is a cop out. and we're not talking about losing to the spurs or GSW, or even the clippers. we're talking about losing to the likes of maimi without wade, and teams like indiana. we're talking about teams coming out completely flat game after game and put themselves in huge holes, without any adjustments made, except to bring in the bench and them dig the team out of the hole.
when it's halfway into the season and the players are still not "executing" or doing what you want them to do, it's no longer on the players. just like boozer said - they actually practice rotations in chicago rather than just "talk about it".
and no, it's not for certain that more minutes for lin would've made a difference, but it's more than reasonable to assume that there's a better chance because when he was in there last night, he WAS visible, and DID make a difference. as opposed to price who couldn't do anything effectively on offense, and kobe who was stone cold all night long. most coaches would've let that unit, the one that brought the team back, play out the quarter and give them a chance to win the game. but not this coach. |
Losing to bad teams often is a sign of a young and inexperienced overall roster. It is easy to get up for the elite teams, though it is a mystery why they were flat for a Christmas Day game.
The players are not executing the defensive schemes and it is the HC's fault?
JLin was 1 for 5 before he hit his last two shots. For the first 2+ quarters, he was invisible. Price was totally ineffective on offense, but had a small impact on D.
If the second team was able to maintain the lead, they would have stayed in till they lost their need. When the second team allowed the Heat to established a firm lead, BScott put the starters back in.
Generally, do you feel that the players are playing at their expected standards. IMHO - they are. This roster is filled with complimentary players that are forced to play elite players every night and the box scores reflect this fact |
such double standard there, invisible has a new meaning I guess.
it's all good though. I get your point. |
Interesting, I must have watched another game. During Lin's first stint, he scored a basket, got an assist and rebound, and nearly made a 70' end of quarter heave. He also fluffed a clear layup. On the defensive side he drew a charge on Ennis and nearly stripped Wade but got called for a foul. So I thought he was pretty engaged on both ends of the court. He certainly played better in his second stint.
Yep right before he was benched he clalled a time out to avoid a turnover, got replaced by Price, who immediately proceeded to turn the ball over. Ironic isn't? |
my compliments for seeing a different game that Big Shot Rob and Big Game James saw when they cemmented that JLin was invisible.
I guess you missed the game that John Ireland saw (was he at the game, lol) where he shared that he went 1 for 5 before making his last two shots
JLin was effective at certain parts of the game (given that he only played 16 minutes!?!!!), many times he walked the ball up then passed the ball (ala DFish) or of the few times that he kept his dribble - he held the ball for almost the entire shot clock. He has displayed his speed and ability to attack (though not forcing doubleteams, one wonders why he isn't attacking more - even if unsuccessful since that is the strength of his game. If JLin is not influencing the game consistently (like he can), Price will play more because his effort level is consistently high. Based on talent, JLin should be playing more
However, the team is playing to the expectations of many. They are good enough to play hard and be competitive for most of the game. They don't have the talent, focus and mental toughness to beat elite teams - consistently. Their inexperience and recognition that effort is needed for every game, they have been beaten by bad teams
I guess that you missed that JLin dribbled the ball to one of the dangerous part of the court and picked up his dribble allowing the doubleteam be even more effective where he was lucky to get a TO |
So Lin didn't play perfectly. But he did do things in the game and wasn't invisible at all. You mention his shooting percentage, it was 3-7, compare that to Kobe or Young. How many points did Price score? What consistency are you talking about with Price, he had 12 assist the other game but wasn't dishing out dimes in this one, gambled on defense, his man scored on him. He didn't play good defense or offense. Lin played way better than Price and Price came in and turned it over so why are you harping on an almost Lin turnover. I don't know why you are going out of your way to defend Scott, but you are. Scott didn't have the right guys in at the right time, and Lin played well enough and Price poor enough to have Lin finish the game.
Lin is but one of the issues with this game anyway. Where was Ellington? Certainly Ellington has been shooting no worse than Young has. Why was Kelly guarding Wade? Scott coached a pathetic game, that's what I saw. |
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This loss had nothing to do with BS.
BS is allowing them to play and calling timeouts when necessary. The illusion is that he has control over the players' efforts and intelligence. One of the previous posters were spot on in saying that we have a lot of role players. Some of these players are taken out of their comfort zone and are now in the driver seat; and we are crashing and burning. They can't handle the pressure and perform as stars, because in reality they are not stars.
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| nshid wrote: | This loss had nothing to do with BS.
BS is allowing them to play and calling timeouts when necessary. The illusion is that he has control over the players' efforts and intelligence. One of the previous posters were spot on in saying that we have a lot of role players. Some of these players are taken out of their comfort zone and are now in the driver seat; and we are crashing and burning. They can't handle the pressure and perform as stars, because in reality they are not stars. |
Role players excel when they're put in positions to succeed. The whole not playing Lin and Davis thing is a good example of this. Why would you not do that?? They showed a chemistry that no-one else on the team had in the pre-season. It's also the coaches responsibility to reign in guys when they're not shooting well...regardless of who they are. How about teaching help defense since you're supposed to be a D specialist. Most of the bigs play like it's an NBA all-star game. |
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| Richmond wrote: | | nshid wrote: | This loss had nothing to do with BS.
BS is allowing them to play and calling timeouts when necessary. The illusion is that he has control over the players' efforts and intelligence. One of the previous posters were spot on in saying that we have a lot of role players. Some of these players are taken out of their comfort zone and are now in the driver seat; and we are crashing and burning. They can't handle the pressure and perform as stars, because in reality they are not stars. |
Role players excel when they're put in positions to succeed. The whole not playing Lin and Davis thing is a good example of this. Why would you not do that?? They showed a chemistry that no-one else on the team had in the pre-season. It's also the coaches responsibility to reign in guys when they're not shooting well...regardless of who they are. How about teaching help defense since you're supposed to be a D specialist. Most of the bigs play like it's an NBA all-star game. |
Every player on this team has had an opportunity to lead the way. BS is actually allowing them to take the helm, but many choose not to embrace it.
It is not about Lin playing good with Ed Davis or Ed Davis playing good with Lin. It's about both of them playing smart with whomever is on the floor with them. Also, people forget Lin is playing as PG. IMHO from watching him his entire NBA career, he is not a very good one. Though, he is actually a good 2-guard. That is probably the reason BS prefers to start Price over him in the PG position.
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| nshid wrote: | | Richmond wrote: | | nshid wrote: | This loss had nothing to do with BS.
BS is allowing them to play and calling timeouts when necessary. The illusion is that he has control over the players' efforts and intelligence. One of the previous posters were spot on in saying that we have a lot of role players. Some of these players are taken out of their comfort zone and are now in the driver seat; and we are crashing and burning. They can't handle the pressure and perform as stars, because in reality they are not stars. |
Role players excel when they're put in positions to succeed. The whole not playing Lin and Davis thing is a good example of this. Why would you not do that?? They showed a chemistry that no-one else on the team had in the pre-season. It's also the coaches responsibility to reign in guys when they're not shooting well...regardless of who they are. How about teaching help defense since you're supposed to be a D specialist. Most of the bigs play like it's an NBA all-star game. |
Every player on this team has had an opportunity to lead the way. BS is actually allowing them to take the helm, but many choose not to embrace it.
It is not about Lin playing good with Ed Davis or Ed Davis playing good with Lin. It's about both of them playing smart with whomever is on the floor with them. Also, people forget Lin is playing as PG. IMHO from watching him his entire NBA career, he is not a very good one. Though, he is actually a good 2-guard. That is probably the reason BS prefers to start Price over him in the PG position. |
Not true. Kobe is the leader and the rest have to cater their games to Kobe. I have no problem with that, Kobe is an all-time great, but that's the way it is. Lin is more productive than Price, not a finished player and still developing, and a younger player than Price. Davis has played well given the opportunity for the most part. Lin has played well in some games and made a difference in wins and losses. Davis and Lin have real chemistry that they aren't developing even more by not playing together.
And it does come down to preference over performance. Of course it is fine with you if Lin doesn't play because as you state, you don't think he's good. But if you see that Lin can be productive as a PG, one that can at least find easier baskets for Davis and Tarik and big men like that, then you'd want to see him play more. It comes down to preference and Byron's preference is Price. It's not performance or chances, Price almost was cut he was playing so poorly before Byron made him a starter. |
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DB just needs to put They sucked and thats it lol
Must be hard to do write ups when this team is this bad. |
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| nshid wrote: | | Richmond wrote: | | nshid wrote: | This loss had nothing to do with BS.
BS is allowing them to play and calling timeouts when necessary. The illusion is that he has control over the players' efforts and intelligence. One of the previous posters were spot on in saying that we have a lot of role players. Some of these players are taken out of their comfort zone and are now in the driver seat; and we are crashing and burning. They can't handle the pressure and perform as stars, because in reality they are not stars. |
Role players excel when they're put in positions to succeed. The whole not playing Lin and Davis thing is a good example of this. Why would you not do that?? They showed a chemistry that no-one else on the team had in the pre-season. It's also the coaches responsibility to reign in guys when they're not shooting well...regardless of who they are. How about teaching help defense since you're supposed to be a D specialist. Most of the bigs play like it's an NBA all-star game. |
Every player on this team has had an opportunity to lead the way. BS is actually allowing them to take the helm, but many choose not to embrace it.
It is not about Lin playing good with Ed Davis or Ed Davis playing good with Lin. It's about both of them playing smart with whomever is on the floor with them. Also, people forget Lin is playing as PG. IMHO from watching him his entire NBA career, he is not a very good one. Though, he is actually a good 2-guard. That is probably the reason BS prefers to start Price over him in the PG position. |
Personally, I'd love to see what Lin could do as a starter without Kobe. Even when he comes off the bench he has a dominant guard in Swaggy holding the ball and jacking up contested shots. Is it any coincidence that Young and Kobe are shooting less that 38%. My problem with Price is that he isn't proficient enough to demand doubles and create open looks. |
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Personally, I'd love to see what Lin could do as a starter without Kobe. Even when he comes off the bench he has a dominant guard in Swaggy holding the ball and jacking up contested shots. Is it any coincidence that Young and Kobe are shooting less that 38%. My problem with Price is that he isn't proficient enough to demand doubles and create open looks. |
ball dominant or not, i'd like to see lin next to the kobe of the past few weeks, not the one that shoots 30 times a game to see how far he can push himself. i want to see lin next to the one that chooses to not go 1 on 3 but passes the ball out of double team and being part of the offense rather than THE offense.
lin with the ball on the weakside with davis in a pnr and black crashing the boards is money. it prevents teams from loading up on kobe, and creates more opportunities and easy shots for the bigs. too bad we'll never see that. |
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| tirebiter wrote: | | Richmond wrote: |
Personally, I'd love to see what Lin could do as a starter without Kobe. Even when he comes off the bench he has a dominant guard in Swaggy holding the ball and jacking up contested shots. Is it any coincidence that Young and Kobe are shooting less that 38%. My problem with Price is that he isn't proficient enough to demand doubles and create open looks. |
ball dominant or not, i'd like to see lin next to the kobe of the past few weeks, not the one that shoots 30 times a game to see how far he can push himself. i want to see lin next to the one that chooses to not go 1 on 3 but passes the ball out of double team and being part of the offense rather than THE offense.
lin with the ball on the weakside with davis in a pnr and black crashing the boards is money. it prevents teams from loading up on kobe, and creates more opportunities and easy shots for the bigs. too bad we'll never see that. |
Not with that attitude, haha.
Nah, I think the Lakers will concede that we are not a playoff team after the end of the All-Star break. At that point Lin will get a lot more playing time, especially along Black and Davis.
I really don't know what some people are complaining about in regards to Lin getting more playing time. I've always believed Lin never got his much needed chance to develop as a player. This is in fact a real opportunity for him to develop. BS is actually treating Lin like a developing player and, in the grand scheme of things, this is a good thing.
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| nshid wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | Richmond wrote: |
Personally, I'd love to see what Lin could do as a starter without Kobe. Even when he comes off the bench he has a dominant guard in Swaggy holding the ball and jacking up contested shots. Is it any coincidence that Young and Kobe are shooting less that 38%. My problem with Price is that he isn't proficient enough to demand doubles and create open looks. |
ball dominant or not, i'd like to see lin next to the kobe of the past few weeks, not the one that shoots 30 times a game to see how far he can push himself. i want to see lin next to the one that chooses to not go 1 on 3 but passes the ball out of double team and being part of the offense rather than THE offense.
lin with the ball on the weakside with davis in a pnr and black crashing the boards is money. it prevents teams from loading up on kobe, and creates more opportunities and easy shots for the bigs. too bad we'll never see that. |
Not with that attitude, haha.
Nah, I think the Lakers will concede that we are not a playoff team after the end of the All-Star break. At that point Lin will get a lot more playing time, especially along Black and Davis.
I really don't know what some people are complaining about in regards to Lin getting more playing time. I've always believed Lin never got his much needed chance to develop as a player. This is in fact a real opportunity for him to develop. BS is actually treating Lin like a developing player and, in the grand scheme of things, this is a good thing. |
A developing player who gets less and less minutes... |
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| nshid wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | Richmond wrote: |
Personally, I'd love to see what Lin could do as a starter without Kobe. Even when he comes off the bench he has a dominant guard in Swaggy holding the ball and jacking up contested shots. Is it any coincidence that Young and Kobe are shooting less that 38%. My problem with Price is that he isn't proficient enough to demand doubles and create open looks. |
ball dominant or not, i'd like to see lin next to the kobe of the past few weeks, not the one that shoots 30 times a game to see how far he can push himself. i want to see lin next to the one that chooses to not go 1 on 3 but passes the ball out of double team and being part of the offense rather than THE offense.
lin with the ball on the weakside with davis in a pnr and black crashing the boards is money. it prevents teams from loading up on kobe, and creates more opportunities and easy shots for the bigs. too bad we'll never see that. |
Not with that attitude, haha.
Nah, I think the Lakers will concede that we are not a playoff team after the end of the All-Star break. At that point Lin will get a lot more playing time, especially along Black and Davis.
I really don't know what some people are complaining about in regards to Lin getting more playing time. I've always believed Lin never got his much needed chance to develop as a player. This is in fact a real opportunity for him to develop. BS is actually treating Lin like a developing player and, in the grand scheme of things, this is a good thing. |
I guess BS is treating Price as a star by this standard. |
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| qiantom wrote: | | nshid wrote: | | tirebiter wrote: | | Richmond wrote: |
Personally, I'd love to see what Lin could do as a starter without Kobe. Even when he comes off the bench he has a dominant guard in Swaggy holding the ball and jacking up contested shots. Is it any coincidence that Young and Kobe are shooting less that 38%. My problem with Price is that he isn't proficient enough to demand doubles and create open looks. |
ball dominant or not, i'd like to see lin next to the kobe of the past few weeks, not the one that shoots 30 times a game to see how far he can push himself. i want to see lin next to the one that chooses to not go 1 on 3 but passes the ball out of double team and being part of the offense rather than THE offense.
lin with the ball on the weakside with davis in a pnr and black crashing the boards is money. it prevents teams from loading up on kobe, and creates more opportunities and easy shots for the bigs. too bad we'll never see that. |
Not with that attitude, haha.
Nah, I think the Lakers will concede that we are not a playoff team after the end of the All-Star break. At that point Lin will get a lot more playing time, especially along Black and Davis.
I really don't know what some people are complaining about in regards to Lin getting more playing time. I've always believed Lin never got his much needed chance to develop as a player. This is in fact a real opportunity for him to develop. BS is actually treating Lin like a developing player and, in the grand scheme of things, this is a good thing. |
I guess BS is treating Price as a star by this standard. |
Not really. He seems to be treating Price as a veteran on a team with younger less experienced point guards.
I really think Lin is getting less minutes right now because he still needs to improve his decision making with the ball and learn to score better off-the-ball. Though, the number one reason why I think Lin is being benched is that he has been running his mouth too much in the media, especially during postgame interviews. Lin has talent but should be humble, including being less vocal off the court and more vocal on the court. He had trouble in Houston for getting at odds end with the coach.
This is just my opinion. Please, be civil.
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| Too funny. Lin is one of the most humble guys when giving interviews. No self-marketing whatsoever. What you meant was Lin should just shut up and stay quietly in the corner. |
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| Phillycheese wrote: | | Too funny. Lin is one of the most humble guys when giving interviews. No self-marketing whatsoever. What you meant was Lin should just shut up and stay quietly in the corner. |
No, I mean he and other young players should watch their tongue and sarcasm in regard to veteran players on the team and the decisions of the head coach. He should be mindful that he is developing and still has a lot to learn.
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| Great analysis BR. Can someone tell me why an 0-fer game by Ronnie deserves 31 minutes? Please? If he's going to suck it up so bad, why not get Jordan some time since he's the future?? |
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