as a colts fan i guess you can say im very disappointed i mean the game itself was a disaster but at the same time losing in that fashion and hearing that they cheated doesnt really surprise me.. the Tuck rule, spy gate, and now this. Since that tuck rule game they have been a classless organization, always have been, always will be (no disrespect to patriot fans in this community, not here to start any e-beef)
Huh? The tuck rule call was cheating? In what way? It was a lousy rule, but it's not like the Patriots snuck it into the rule book when no one was watching.
It was on the books already. I thought it was a bad call. I thought it was a fumble. LINK
No, it was a good call. The rule was bad. The rule was changed only a couple years ago, more than a decade after the tuck rule game.
Matter of what you see. I see Tom's arm coming forward, he attempts to stop the motion, loses the ball, try's to regain control, fails and the ball comes lose. By rule that's a fumble.
Upon further review, Woodson knocked the ball out of Tom's hand when he was bringing it back to his body causing a fumble.
The commentators thought it was a fumble as did I.
It's not a fumble. That's why the tuck rule was controversial because everyone thought it should have been a fumble, but the rule said it shouldn't. It didn't help that the referee didn't explain the situation correctly and that the commentators didn't know the rule.
NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
Brady "bringing the ball back to his body" is not enough to make it a fumble. He'd need to complete that action by tucking the ball to his body to stop the sequence of an attempted pass. Thus, it's a correct call. The rule was flawed. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject:
Wilt wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Wilt wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
DrWolf wrote:
as a colts fan i guess you can say im very disappointed i mean the game itself was a disaster but at the same time losing in that fashion and hearing that they cheated doesnt really surprise me.. the Tuck rule, spy gate, and now this. Since that tuck rule game they have been a classless organization, always have been, always will be (no disrespect to patriot fans in this community, not here to start any e-beef)
Huh? The tuck rule call was cheating? In what way? It was a lousy rule, but it's not like the Patriots snuck it into the rule book when no one was watching.
It was on the books already. I thought it was a bad call. I thought it was a fumble. LINK
No, it was a good call. The rule was bad. The rule was changed only a couple years ago, more than a decade after the tuck rule game.
Matter of what you see. I see Tom's arm coming forward, he attempts to stop the motion, loses the ball, try's to regain control, fails and the ball comes lose. By rule that's a fumble.
Upon further review, Woodson knocked the ball out of Tom's hand when he was bringing it back to his body causing a fumble.
The commentators thought it was a fumble as did I.
It's not a fumble. That's why the tuck rule was controversial because everyone thought it should have been a fumble, but the rule said it shouldn't. It didn't help that the referee didn't explain the situation correctly and that the commentators didn't know the rule.
NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
Brady "bringing the ball back to his body" is not enough to make it a fumble. He'd need to complete that action by tucking the ball to his body to stop the sequence of an attempted pass. Thus, it's a correct call. The rule was flawed.
Again, it's a matter of what you saw. I saw Woodson hit the ball and knock it out of Brady's hand while he was "bringing it back." That's why I called it a fumble. I say missed call by the refs. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
as a colts fan i guess you can say im very disappointed i mean the game itself was a disaster but at the same time losing in that fashion and hearing that they cheated doesnt really surprise me.. the Tuck rule, spy gate, and now this. Since that tuck rule game they have been a classless organization, always have been, always will be (no disrespect to patriot fans in this community, not here to start any e-beef)
Huh? The tuck rule call was cheating? In what way? It was a lousy rule, but it's not like the Patriots snuck it into the rule book when no one was watching.
It was on the books already. I thought it was a bad call. I thought it was a fumble. LINK
No, it was a good call. The rule was bad. The rule was changed only a couple years ago, more than a decade after the tuck rule game.
Matter of what you see. I see Tom's arm coming forward, he attempts to stop the motion, loses the ball, try's to regain control, fails and the ball comes lose. By rule that's a fumble.
Upon further review, Woodson knocked the ball out of Tom's hand when he was bringing it back to his body causing a fumble.
The commentators thought it was a fumble as did I.
It's not a fumble. That's why the tuck rule was controversial because everyone thought it should have been a fumble, but the rule said it shouldn't. It didn't help that the referee didn't explain the situation correctly and that the commentators didn't know the rule.
NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
Brady "bringing the ball back to his body" is not enough to make it a fumble. He'd need to complete that action by tucking the ball to his body to stop the sequence of an attempted pass. Thus, it's a correct call. The rule was flawed.
Again, it's a matter of what you saw. I saw Woodson hit the ball and knock it out of Brady's hand while he was "bringing it back." That's why I called it a fumble. I say missed call by the refs.
It's not a matter of what I saw, it's about what the rule says. And losing the ball while bringing it back to the body is not enough for it to be a fumble. Read the rule above carefully. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject:
Wilt wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Wilt wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Wilt wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
DrWolf wrote:
as a colts fan i guess you can say im very disappointed i mean the game itself was a disaster but at the same time losing in that fashion and hearing that they cheated doesnt really surprise me.. the Tuck rule, spy gate, and now this. Since that tuck rule game they have been a classless organization, always have been, always will be (no disrespect to patriot fans in this community, not here to start any e-beef)
Huh? The tuck rule call was cheating? In what way? It was a lousy rule, but it's not like the Patriots snuck it into the rule book when no one was watching.
It was on the books already. I thought it was a bad call. I thought it was a fumble. LINK
No, it was a good call. The rule was bad. The rule was changed only a couple years ago, more than a decade after the tuck rule game.
Matter of what you see. I see Tom's arm coming forward, he attempts to stop the motion, loses the ball, try's to regain control, fails and the ball comes lose. By rule that's a fumble.
Upon further review, Woodson knocked the ball out of Tom's hand when he was bringing it back to his body causing a fumble.
The commentators thought it was a fumble as did I.
It's not a fumble. That's why the tuck rule was controversial because everyone thought it should have been a fumble, but the rule said it shouldn't. It didn't help that the referee didn't explain the situation correctly and that the commentators didn't know the rule.
NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
Brady "bringing the ball back to his body" is not enough to make it a fumble. He'd need to complete that action by tucking the ball to his body to stop the sequence of an attempted pass. Thus, it's a correct call. The rule was flawed.
Again, it's a matter of what you saw. I saw Woodson hit the ball and knock it out of Brady's hand while he was "bringing it back." That's why I called it a fumble. I say missed call by the refs.
It's not a matter of what I saw, it's about what the rule says. And losing the ball while bringing it back to the body is not enough for it to be a fumble. Read the rule above carefully.
By rule you're right that's why I posted
Quote:
I say missed call by the refs.
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America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:20 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
By rule you're right that's why I posted
Quote:
I say missed call by the refs.
that makes no sense. how is it a missed call if, by rule, it was correct? i'm a raider fan btw and i'm still upset about that call, but as thousands of people have said over and over, it was the correct call but a terrible rule.
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:57 pm Post subject:
sickside323 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
By rule you're right that's why I posted
Quote:
I say missed call by the refs.
that makes no sense. how is it a missed call if, by rule, it was correct? i'm a raider fan btw and i'm still upset about that call, but as thousands of people have said over and over, it was the correct call but a terrible rule.
By missed I mean the ball was knocked out of Brady's hand thus to me the rule was negated. e.g. Lin going to the hole, gets hacked no call, missed call. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Report: NFL investigation has “zeroed in” on Patriots locker room attendant
Last week, the NFL released a statement saying they were continuing their investigation into under-inflated footballs used by the Patriots during their AFC Championship game victory over the Colts to determine if the deflation was “the result of deliberate action” by the Patriots.
Coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied any knowledge of what happened and Belichick offered up an explanation via scientific experimentation on Saturday, but Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the league has “zeroed in” on a team employee in their investigation.
Per Glazer, the league has interviewed a Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took footballs from the officials locker room after they had been inspected and approved “to another area on way to field” before the start of the game. There’s reportedly video of this attendant with the balls, although Glazer adds that the league’s investigators are “still gauging” if the attendant, called a “strong person of interest,” had anything to do with the deflation.
The Patriots are on their way to Arizona right now. If anyone’s betting on the first question Belichick gets asked after arrival
Report: NFL investigation has “zeroed in” on Patriots locker room attendant
Last week, the NFL released a statement saying they were continuing their investigation into under-inflated footballs used by the Patriots during their AFC Championship game victory over the Colts to determine if the deflation was “the result of deliberate action” by the Patriots.
Coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied any knowledge of what happened and Belichick offered up an explanation via scientific experimentation on Saturday, but Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the league has “zeroed in” on a team employee in their investigation.
Per Glazer, the league has interviewed a Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took footballs from the officials locker room after they had been inspected and approved “to another area on way to field” before the start of the game. There’s reportedly video of this attendant with the balls, although Glazer adds that the league’s investigators are “still gauging” if the attendant, called a “strong person of interest,” had anything to do with the deflation.
The Patriots are on their way to Arizona right now. If anyone’s betting on the first question Belichick gets asked after arrival
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:56 pm Post subject:
My friend told me about a Richard Sherman quote on the matter..
Saying his teammate wants to have gold colored cleats. The NFL told him they will suspend him and fine him if he wears them. Who is going to get disciplined for cheating?
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Source: Gillette Stadium surveillance video shows employee taking 24 footballs into bathroom for roughly 90 seconds http://wp.me/p14QSB-9HaP
This story has officially gone to the crapper.
I suspect this is an NFL red herring. Are we to believe that this employee entered into a cramped men's room with 12 balls, and managed to deflate all the balls to a PSI that Brady likes, all within 90 seconds? That's less than 7 seconds per football. And it has to be done with precision, as a ball with too high a PSI defeats the purpose, and a ball with too low a PSI might not be comfortable to Brady.
I stick with my theory: The NFL refs never really tested the balls with a gauge prior to clearing them for the game. That is why the NFL is foot-dragging with this investigation and that is why they are introducing the red herring as an excuse to keep the investigation phase running. The final report will consist of a series of steps to the inspection process, and gloss over the fact that there was no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.
I am hearing reports of a one armed man being the culprit. Now aint that about a (bleep)? Can you imagine a one armed man deflating 12 footballs in a cramped up stall? That Brady sure is a pisser.
I am hearing reports of a one armed man being the culprit. Now aint that about a (bleep)? Can you imagine a one armed man deflating 12 footballs in a cramped up stall? That Brady sure is a pisser.
I am hearing reports of a one armed man being the culprit. Now aint that about a (bleep)? Can you imagine a one armed man deflating 12 footballs in a cramped up stall? That Brady sure is a pisser.
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:53 am Post subject:
I just heard that there are 40,000 signatures on a petition that would remove the Pats from the SB and have the Ravens and Colts play to determine the AFC champs. My opinion? Go bang your head against a brick wall. That would be just as valuable a use of your time as trying to put a halt to the SB this Sunday. _________________ Not a legend
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