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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:22 pm    Post subject:

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While the whole anti-vaccine things is nutty, I think the coverage on this has been pretty funny too.

It's like there's an Ebola outbreak.


In 2000 562,000 people World Wide died from Measles, in 2012, that number was down to 122,000. The WHO estimates that during that time period alone, over 13 million Measles deaths were prevented by the vaccination. So, yeah, it's worthy of all the coverage, far more than Ebola.

Measles is not a joke or a benign disease.


You're making it more dramatic than it is.

We all grew up in times with measles.

It's not a joke of a disease, but it's not like it has a high mortality rate.

Don't get me wrong. It's great that it's so rare now that every outbreak is an anomaly.

But people are freaking out. I swear, the only thing more important going on in the world is probably the Patriots playing with under-inflated footballs.


Losing someone to a preventable disease is awful. Especially since the measles vaccine is given with two other vaccinations, that is 3 diseases we don't have to worry about in one. It just shouldn't happen. Infecting other people with preventable disease is awful too. Herd immunity could be protecting our children and elderly.
There isn't a good enough scientific reason to not get a vaccination, the belief is based in conjecture or some preconceived notion. That does not trump the safety of others.
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I don't disagree with anything you just said.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:15 pm    Post subject:

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You're making it more dramatic than it is.

We all grew up in times with measles.

It's not a joke of a disease, but it's not like it has a high mortality rate.


* Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.

* In 2013, there were 145 700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

* During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

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Sorry, I just can't reconcile your claim that "it's not like it has a high mortality rate" and being sanguine about nearly 146,000 deaths just two years ago.

Especially when the vaccine IS our defense against outbreaks, epidemics and even pandemics, and the current anti-vax craze is targeting that very defense. Even if you ARE sanguine about 146,000 deaths (because they happened somewhere else, or something), keep in mind that if compliance rates are further eroded, the result will be increased morbidity and mortality.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:32 pm    Post subject:

Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:42 am    Post subject:

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The WHO estimates that during that time period alone, over 13 million Measles deaths were prevented by the vaccination.


You better you bet.

Always liked The WHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:13 pm    Post subject:

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The WHO estimates that during that time period alone, over 13 million Measles deaths were prevented by the vaccination.


You better you bet.

Always liked The WHO.


I don't listen to everything The WHO has to say, I won't get fooled again
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:33 pm    Post subject:

Jenny McCarthy may be dumb as a slug, but she was very very hot back in her prime. And still very sexy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:04 pm    Post subject:

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KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
The WHO estimates that during that time period alone, over 13 million Measles deaths were prevented by the vaccination.


You better you bet.

Always liked The WHO.


I don't listen to everything The WHO has to say, I won't get fooled again


What about what Baba O'Reilly has to say?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:03 pm    Post subject:

We Thought We Already Eradicated Measles — But Thanks To Ongoing Anti-Vaccine Beliefs, It’s Back

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Federal health officials are warning that measles — a highly-contagious respiratory infection that the U.S. virtually eradicated back in 2000 — is making a serious comeback. This year is on track to have the highest number of measles cases in the past 17 years, and Centers for Disease Control (CDC) researchers say that’s likely because of pervasive anti-vaccine beliefs that have allowed the disease to spread.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:44 pm    Post subject:

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Jenny McCarthy may be dumb as a slug, but she was very very hot back in her prime. And still very sexy.


Her stupidity ruins whatever attractiveness she may still have.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject:

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Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:13 pm    Post subject:

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You can thank all those people that didn't immunize their kids because they listened to people like Jenny Mccarthy.



You should see them when they come into the ER. As part of the standard history taking, I ask "Are your child's immunizations up to date?"

These buffoons are just waiting for that question. I swear to God, their child could be dying of an acute asthma exacerbation or overwhelming sepsis, yet the minute THAT question is asked, their child doesn't matter, only the opportunity to "get into it" with someone in the "Medical Establishment."

They tilt up their heads, puff out their chests, change their tone and say with an insolence bordering on Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas." "No."

They never say "We don't believe in them." That would rob them of the chance to answer the question "Well, why not?" with "We don't believe in them and the medical establishment blah, blah, blah......"


(bleep) and their children benefit from herd immunity, yet they don't want to participate because they and that (bleep) Jenny McCarthy know more than the entirety of the medical community on this matter. Makes me want to transport them back to the days before we did have vaccinations, maybe see half of their children die of these entirely preventable diseases. Instead, they live amongst us and expose the young, sick, elderly, immunocompromised and pregnant patients to diseases that cost real human lives.

(bleep) (bleep).


Come on KBCB. . . if a fully learned and accredited physician advises you immunize your child, how are you supposed to go with that advice when there's a semi-porn star/"actress" and a dozen of your fellow stay at home moms who hold BA's in Husband Finding telling you your child will get a brain disorder from a simple vaccine?

You Doctors are SOOOOO full of yourselves.


That may be, but I trust the guy with a tinfoil hat over one that has an MD next to his name. MD stands for Major Douche...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:15 am    Post subject:

Was there Sunday. Pretty empty by Disney standards. Longest i had a to wait was 35 minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:48 am    Post subject:

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Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.


Oh come on...

"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:50 am    Post subject:

Reflexx wrote:
thedude1977 wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.


Oh come on...

"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?


Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:05 am    Post subject:

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Reflexx wrote:
Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.


Oh come on...

"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?


Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.


Not exactly very common for measles.

You're taking an exception and applying it as a rule in order to make things seem worse than they are.

But heck, if that's what you want to do...

I'm not saying that the measles outbreak isn't an issue. I'm saying the magnitude of the problem is overblown.

The flu is a much bigger problem right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:37 pm    Post subject:

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Jenny McCarthy may be dumb as a slug, but she was very very hot back in her prime. And still very sexy.


She would have done less damage if she was ugly. What a maroon.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Reflexx wrote:
LarryCoon wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
thedude1977 wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.


Oh come on...

"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?


Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.


Not exactly very common for measles.

You're taking an exception and applying it as a rule in order to make things seem worse than they are.

But heck, if that's what you want to do...

I'm not saying that the measles outbreak isn't an issue. I'm saying the magnitude of the problem is overblown.

The flu is a much bigger problem right now.


Now you're just trying to use special pleading and goalpost shifting to wiggle out of anything.

We talk about death rates, and and you shift to "here," saying world-wide is changing the subject.

It's pointed out that there are "intensely negative effects" other than death, and you challenge THAT phrase (as though there are no intensely negative effects from measles).

So I point out just one example of an intensely negative effect to show that such effects DO exist, and you squirm out of that one too, saying it's not common, and oh yeah, let's redirect toward the flu.

If we keep this up, I'm sure you'll argue with me about what "dead" means.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:19 pm    Post subject:

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A few adverse affects I'd call serious but not death threatening.

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What Are Measles, Mumps, and Rubella?
Measles, mumps, and rubella are viral diseases. All can be very serious.

Measles starts as a fever, cough, runny nose, conjunctivitis (pinkeye), and a red, pinpoint rash that starts on the face and spreads to the rest of the body. If the virus infects the lungs, it can cause pneumonia. Measles in older children can lead to inflammation of the brain, called encephalitis, which can cause seizures and brain damage.

The mumps virus usually causes swelling in glands just below the ears, giving the appearance of chipmunk cheeks. Before the vaccine, mumps was the most common cause of both meningitis (inflammation of the lining of the brain and spinal cord) and acquired deafness in the U.S. In men, mumps can infect the testicles, which can lead to infertility.

Rubella is also known as German measles. It can cause a mild rash on the face, swelling of glands behind the ears, and in some cases, swelling of the small joints and low-grade fever. Most children recover quickly with no lasting effects. But if a pregnant woman gets rubella, it can be devastating. If she's infected during the first trimester of pregnancy, there's at least a 20% chance her child will have a birth defect such as blindness, deafness, a heart defect, or mental retardation.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:01 pm    Post subject:

Eh, you can lead 'em to water I guess.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:23 pm    Post subject:

LarryCoon wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
LarryCoon wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
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Reflexx wrote:
Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.


Oh come on...

"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?


Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.


Not exactly very common for measles.

You're taking an exception and applying it as a rule in order to make things seem worse than they are.

But heck, if that's what you want to do...

I'm not saying that the measles outbreak isn't an issue. I'm saying the magnitude of the problem is overblown.

The flu is a much bigger problem right now.


Now you're just trying to use special pleading and goalpost shifting to wiggle out of anything.

We talk about death rates, and and you shift to "here," saying world-wide is changing the subject.


No. You guys brought up worldwide when the topic was already about HERE. The topic isn't about a measles outbreak around the world.

I'm not moving goalposts. You're just attempting to bring worldwide into it in order to justify the amount of panic going on.

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It's pointed out that there are "intensely negative effects" other than death, and you challenge THAT phrase (as though there are no intensely negative effects from measles).

So I point out just one example of an intensely negative effect to show that such effects DO exist, and you squirm out of that one too, saying it's not common, and oh yeah, let's redirect toward the flu.


I'm not saying there are no intensely negative effects possible. But I do think the amount of panic and paranoia going on right now is not in proportion to the actual problem out there.

I merely brought up the flu because right now it's a bigger problem.

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If we keep this up, I'm sure you'll argue with me about what "dead" means.




Okay Mr. Grumpy.
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The WHO estimates that during that time period alone, over 13 million Measles deaths were prevented by the vaccination.


You better you bet.

Always liked The WHO.


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What about what Baba O'Reilly has to say?


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LarryCoon wrote:
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Reflexx wrote:
Still over dramatic about what's going on here.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.

It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.

And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.


You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.


Oh come on...

"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?


Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.


And 1 in 1000 do die from measles.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:59 pm    Post subject:

I remember seeing a chart of Californian's belief in not getting vaccinations from the year 2000 to this year, and I have to say these people are basically putting everyone else in danger....guess there will be an outbreak to reduce the herd again.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:21 am    Post subject:

Well at least my child is not autistic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject:

Just saw a debate on CNN, the basis of the anti-vaxxer's argument was basically one of two things:

1) You can't believe what the CDC tells you
2) Diseases come and go in waves (i.e. the recent measles outbreak and decrease in vaccination rates are simply coincidental)

Talk about lack of substance...
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