is having Jordan Hill worth not having a top 5 pick?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:14 pm    Post subject: is having Jordan Hill worth not having a top 5 pick?

why in blue heck is he still on this team. J Hill is what is standing in the way from landing a top 5 to pick or even selecting in top 3. possibly top 3 in landing the next franchise player. J Hill is nice, but is it worth it? He could help so many play-off teams out there. J Hill needs to be shipped out

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:15 pm    Post subject:

This is an ill-posed question. You make it sound like he's actually the difference between winning and losing.

He isn't.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:16 pm    Post subject:

thread title should be "is having jordan hill worth not having a top 5 pick"
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:22 pm    Post subject:

Jordan Hill helps the tank. Empty stats, turnstile defense, can be traded for assets. Mitch is just milking the minuses he provides before shipping him for picks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:26 pm    Post subject:

jordan hill thread starts and kray/draper get in within the first 5 replies lmao. love this board
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:38 pm    Post subject:

I would trade Jordan hill for a top 5 pick instantly and Jordan hill is not a difference maker, although his offense is good his defense is attrocious.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:47 pm    Post subject:

lkjhf wrote:
jordan hill thread starts and kray/draper get in within the first 5 replies lmao. love this board


This. Well said. LOL. They are pretty transparent with their agenda/hate against Hill, huh? So are plenty of others though. But as you say, love this board.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:52 pm    Post subject:

I don't think we are seeing much of a market for Hill. And there is the no trade thing, for all we know they have tried to deal him but he declined.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:02 pm    Post subject:

Jordan Hill and the top 5 draft pick aren't mutually exclusive to one another.

Hill is a solid scorer and rebounder. But he can't effect games enough to lead us to a higher win percentage.

His defense is too poor for him to be a difference-maker to that degree.

If he somehow proves me wrong. Then he's worth keeping in the first place.
Most top 5 draft picks can't score, rebound, and defend above average in their first year (which is the duration of Hill's contract if he's returns next season).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:37 pm    Post subject:

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I don't think we are seeing much of a market for Hill. And there is the no trade thing, for all we know they have tried to deal him but he declined.


I thought Hill's contract becomes guaranteed for the second year if he is traded. Otherwise it's a team option.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:39 pm    Post subject:

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I don't think we are seeing much of a market for Hill. And there is the no trade thing, for all we know they have tried to deal him but he declined.


I thought Hill's contract becomes guaranteed for the second year if he is traded. Otherwise it's a team option.


na, its - if the team that trades for him doesn't pick up his 2nd year, then he can decline the trade.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:39 pm    Post subject:

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lkjhf wrote:
jordan hill thread starts and kray/draper get in within the first 5 replies lmao. love this board


This. Well said. LOL. They are pretty transparent with their agenda/hate against Hill, huh? So are plenty of others though. But as you say, love this board.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:39 pm    Post subject:

It is a team option and the team would have to either exercise or decline the option. So if he is being traded, the team he would be going to would need to exercise the option and then his no trade clause would be gone. So basically you are correct, though the mechanism to get there is a little different.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:47 pm    Post subject:

Which basiclaly makes it impossible to trade Hill to any contender. If he goes to a contender his mins likely go down since he's not all that good. However here he can apparently chuck to his heart's content and not play defense. Why would he go elsewhere if its gonna lower his stast?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:50 pm    Post subject:

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Which basiclaly makes it impossible to trade Hill to any contender. If he goes to a contender his mins likely go down since he's not all that good. However here he can apparently chuck to his heart's content and not play defense. Why would he go elsewhere if its gonna lower his stast?


To make $9 mil next season.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:51 pm    Post subject:

I actually do agree with OP's sentiment. Jordan Hill is not anyone's savior, but he is one of the best players on our squad this year, arguably the most consistent. Overall, he's played well there's no doubt. If we trade him and start Sacre the D-Leaguer for rest of season, we will be GUARANTEED to lose more games.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:52 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Which basiclaly makes it impossible to trade Hill to any contender. If he goes to a contender his mins likely go down since he's not all that good. However here he can apparently chuck to his heart's content and not play defense. Why would he go elsewhere if its gonna lower his stast?


To make $9 mil next season.


Yeah, I think that is the key. I'm sure he's aware of the small chance his contract is picked up by us next season. That only happens if we strike out on the free agent market again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:54 pm    Post subject:

I am sure the FO has been and will continue to shop Hill. A team would really have to be serious about him if they are willing to pay him $13.5 mil for the rest of this season and next season. I don't think any team is that desperate now, the trade deadline would be the time to panic and trade for him.
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Big Game James wrote:
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Slicer wrote:
Which basiclaly makes it impossible to trade Hill to any contender. If he goes to a contender his mins likely go down since he's not all that good. However here he can apparently chuck to his heart's content and not play defense. Why would he go elsewhere if its gonna lower his stast?


To make $9 mil next season.


Yeah, I think that is the key. I'm sure he's aware of the small chance his contract is picked up by us next season. That only happens if we strike out on the free agent market again.


Which is why I wouldn't see him declining a trade, he won't be offered a $9 mil deal in the offseason as a FA.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:58 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Slicer wrote:
Which basiclaly makes it impossible to trade Hill to any contender. If he goes to a contender his mins likely go down since he's not all that good. However here he can apparently chuck to his heart's content and not play defense. Why would he go elsewhere if its gonna lower his stast?


To make $9 mil next season.


Yeah, I think that is the key. I'm sure he's aware of the small chance his contract is picked up by us next season. That only happens if we strike out on the free agent market again.


Which is why I wouldn't see him declining a trade, he won't be offered a $9 mil deal in the offseason as a FA.
Especially considering we'd have to pick up or decline his option before free agency even starts
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:18 pm    Post subject:

Portland has to consider acquiring Hill in order to sustain the loss of Aldridge for awhile. I'm not sure if the have a first round pick but if they do they definitely should consider their #1 pick for Hill.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:33 pm    Post subject:

Tough to make numbers work with Portland unless they want to send Robin Lopez here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:38 pm    Post subject:

King Randle wrote:
Portland has to consider acquiring Hill in order to sustain the loss of Aldridge for awhile. I'm not sure if the have a first round pick but if they do they definitely should consider their #1 pick for Hill.


Somebody else in another threat mentioned CJ McCollum. I'd trade Hill for him in a second, or a first round pick... and to be honest, I'd even consider trading him for a high second.
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