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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:15 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- SPURS - 1-23-15 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

The Rookie… Jordan Clarkson didn’t tell his mom he was starting, finding out at shootaround. She works in a local hotel and he grew up here dreaming of being an NBA player. So when she showed up tonight to see her baby out there starting for the Lakers, that had to be a special moment.

“Rookie starting for the first time in his home town? He had a lot of adrenaline pumping,” said Wayne Ellington, who also got the start for Kobe, whom the Lakers will be without for the rest of the season after the shoulder injury.

The Lakers shuffled the starting lineup to mix things up, giving several players who’ve had frequent DNPs a starting spot. Scott will take some heat for giving Lin his first DNP in a while, but more so for doing it in favor of Price. It was very cool of him to give Clarkson his first NBA start here, however. “He was very poised and the moment wasn’t too big for him,” Scott said.

“I was just excited being able to play here in front of my friends and family,” Clarkson said. He’d finish with 11 points and 4 assists.

“We got off to a terrible start against a great team. You can’t do that,” Scott said, mentioning the lack of familiarity made things tough. Only Clarkson was able to get a couple of hoops for the Lakers in the first 6 minutes of the game. It felt like the game was over early with the Lakers trailing 31-15 after the first quarter.

In the second half, they would chip away at the lead, cutting it to just 10 points early in the fourth. They were buried for good less than a minute later after giving up a 5-point trip when Price got picked in the backcourt for a three right after taking an inbounds pass. That was the back breaker. The lead went from 10 points to 17 points in 45 seconds…and that was that. The Lakers fell 99-85.


Hill -- -- Lakers needed him to show up if they were going to have any chance. He didn’t hit rim or clanked out of the gates. Then got into foul trouble. “That really hurt me,” Hill said. Without a double-double or a good scoring game, the Lakers just had too little firepower to compete. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-12 shooting (2-2 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a -12. The Action: He attacked down the lane and didn’t hit rim on a drive. Offensive foul trying to take a post entry. He didn’t hit rim again trying to power up in a crowd. He missed a 21-footer. He attacked in the spot and was rejected by the help D. He missed a wing jumper. Second Half: He sank a jumper from the top of the key. He missed a sideline jumper. He missed another top-of-the-key jumper. We got it back to him in the post and he drew FTs, he made both. He missed a wing jumper. He iso’d in the post and hit the step-back baseline jumper. He scored a layup on the break. He sank a step-back jumper off the two-man game with Wes.

Clarkson -- -- His first start of the season in his home town. I hope we see a lot more of this. We aren’t making the playoffs. We’ve got to help develop our young players. He was the first Laker to double digits in scoring. He could have had a couple more but struggled from the FT line. Very controlled game orchestrating the offense. I wish we had a lot more attacking the paint versus a lot of the side to side action. He’s got that combination of speed, length and elevation that we need him to get in the paint trying to finish or collapse the D to set up others. We just don’t run a whole lot of that in general. Scott said he led Clarkson call the plays and run the show and thought he did a good job with it, playing very poised. Very good job pushing out the break when we had those opportunities. “He showed some maturity as far as slowing his game down and when he needed it, he put the jets on,” Scott said. Defensively, he’s always a willing defender. He just needs more time out there. He had some nice moments recovering, but Parker is a tough cover for sure. “He’s shifty. He knows how to use traffic and get to the rim,” Clarkson said. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 5-9 shooting (1-3 from three) to go with 3 boards, 4 assists, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 29 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He worked off the high screen and hit the pull-up jumper for the Lakers first score. He pushed out a board and finished with his off hand across the lane. He pushed out the break and missed a point-blank layup at the front of the rim. He probed baseline, kept the dribble alive, circled around the D and scored the layup at the front of the rim. He missed a floater, but Sacre cleaned up the dribble penetration. He attacked and kicked to Ellington for the jumper. He worked off the Sacre screen, attacked the paint and reversed with ease. He pushed out the break, weaved through traffic and no-looked to Boozer for the layup. He was picked trying to drive for a two-for-one. Second Half: He missed a pull-up 20-footer off a screen. Nice challenge on Parker’s jumper to force a miss. He attacked baseline and got tapped on a short one. He pushed out the loose ball and scored the And-1 layup over Manu, he made the FT. He probed off the screen, stopped and drew contact from behind on the FT jumper, he missed both. He attacked and kicked to Ellington for a three.

Kelly -- -- Machine Gun Kelly or Swing Pass Kelly? In the first half, it was Swing Pass Kelly, not looking to shoot or do anything offensively (much like he’s played so far this season). The Lakers looked to get him more involved in the second half, getting him some touches in the post and Kelly also looked like someone had said something to him at halftime as he was much more aggressive. The Machine Gun Kelly version helped the Lakers chip away at the lead. He can’t crawl into a shell out there or he’ll be back on the deep bench. Hopefully, the second half of this game will click with him. “I felt like in the second half I was much more involved and that’s in a lot of ways on me,” Kelly said, saying this is a learning experience. Kelly Clarkson tweeted about a picture she saw of Kelly and Clarkson starting tonight. “Maybe my favorite picture I’ve seen I a long time,” she wrote. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-4 shooting (3-5 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 1 block and 3 fouls in 22 minutes. He was a -5. The Action: He blocked Parker’s drive. He missed a wing pull-up jumper. Second Half: He posted up and swished a turnaround. He attacked off the three line next time down and scored a layup. He missed an open 15-footer after his man flew by. He posted up and drew FTs, he made one. He pulled the Nick Young and drew FTs on a three, he made two.

Ellington -- -- “It was the first that group of guys played together,” Ellington said. With no Kobe, Ellington is going to get a lot of run from here on out. He said the team needs to play hard and stick to the system. They’ll have to do it on D every night because the points may be hard to come by. Wayne seems always good for a dozen or so a starter. His game was largely perimeter oriented but he had some drives in this one, as well, to get his double digits. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 5-12 shooting (1-3 from three) to go with 6 boards, 1 assist and no fouls in 28 minutes. He was a -6. The Action: He missed a long pull-up jumper. He was swatted in transition. He sank a sideline pull-up jumper. He missed a wing three. He missed a 20-footer straight away. He forced up a wing jumper, but hit it anyway. Second Half: He missed a tough 20-footer. He attacked aggressively off the screen and scored a hanging layup. He missed a step-back three. He missed a runner up against the shotclock. He sank a three on the Clarkson kickout. He swished a three off the throwback play out of a timeout, but they overruled that as Sacre was fouled just prior to it. He sank an inbounds jumper.

Sacre -- -- Sacre also got the start. His offensive issues hurt as our bigs looked a bit inept to start the game. We were in the hole early as a result. Some good screens set by Sacre tonight, better than he’s done previously. Maybe Tarik’s influence after taking Robert’s minutes. Sounds like Tarik may be closer to return, so that probably puts Sacre back in the DNP area when that happens, but Scott said Black was still questionable for the next one. Sacre on battling Dwight: “It’s going to be a very physical game…a very, very physical game.” The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-8 shooting (3-4 from the line) to go with 7 boards (4 offensive) The Action: He airballed a turnaround jumper on iso after we dumped the ball to him early in the set. He missed an open jumper off the two-man game. He hit a short turnaround in the lane out of a timeout. He missed a jumphook too far away. He iso’d and missed the turnaround. He grabbed the miss off the Clarkson penetration and powered up the layup. Second Half: He crashed the glass and regained possession on a foul. Not close on an elbow jumper. No touch on a putback attempt. He drew FTs getting fouled while posting up.

Johnson -- -- He struggled with the shot. Like Hill, he’s another guy we need to have one of those 18-point games if we’re going to compete right now. He was clanking tonight. Pretty good job moving the ball, however, tonight with 4 assists. Some very nice reads within the system, better than others, really, since he has to do it coming off ball. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 2-8 shooting (1-2 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block and 2 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a -9. The Action: He missed a forced 18-footer. He drew FTs and made one. He hit the floor on the defensive end for a loose ball to force a jumpball. Very nice recognition, he flashed to the ball with Davis being fronted in the post and then hit him with a high-low for the layup. He missed a baseline leaner. Second Half: He swatted a layup after a series of Spurs offensive boards. He sank an open three at the top of the arc. He airballed a wild pull up or jump pass next time down (either way he got caught in the air). Looks like he knocked a ball loose twice in three defensive stands. He then swished a wing jumper next time down. He stepped back, measured the wide open three and airballed it a couple feet too long, wow. He missed a wing three. He was blocked on a forced jumper coming off a screen. He hit Hill in transition for the layup.

Price -- -- Scott gave Price the backup PG minutes with Clarkson sliding to the starter spot. That left Lin sitting and watching. While these are learning minutes for Clarkson, I think they also are for Lin. He needs to grow his game, as well. So running Price just doesn’t make much sense. “I just thought I’d give Ronnie more of a look tonight. I know what Jeremy can do,” Scott said. He said next game might be different. We all know what Ronnie can do, not sure why he needs a look over Lin, so I’m not sure whether to believe Scott on that, but who knows? Offensively, Price had a bagel, missing all four shots he took. He did lead the team with 6 assists and 3 steals. Some of his misses and that big fourth-quarter turnover were rally killers. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-4 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 1 board, 6 assists, 3 steals, 2 turnovers and 1 foul in 19 minutes. He was a -6. The Action: He missed a wing three. He attacked, made a wild pass in traffic but Davis recovered it and scored. Second Half: He missed a quick-fire pull-up jumper that could have cut it to 10. Flat-angle perimeter pass and it was picked off. He was picked in the backcourt for a three (5-point possession…that was a back breaker when the Lakers had made a good push). Nice reach to knock a drive away (three the other way for the Lakers). He missed a three in early offense. He attacked and missed a layup (Davis cleaned it up). XXX

Young -- -- We probably need to play him more than 20 minutes with Kobe out (especially with Lin sitting). He did the most with his minutes, helping the Lakers get closer in the second half after we started out in the hole early in the first quarter. He buried three threes (Lakers made 5-13 tonight as a team). He’s going to be our leading scorer on most nights now. Last year, I thought his D started out strong but when we knew we were out of it, Nick’s D fell off. Hopefully, his game matures a bit on that end this year and he keeps up a strong effort all year. He needs to make that a habit and not slip back to the rep he had on bad teams. The Stats: He scored 17 points on 5-11 shooting (3-6 from three, 4-4 from the line) to go with 1 turnover and 1 foul in 20 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He was picked on a crossover for a dunk the other way. He drew FTs on iso up against the shotclock, he made both. He sank a baseline turnaround jumper. He missed a wing three, we got it back to him, he let a man fly by and he sank the sideline three. He crossed over and missed a three. He attacked and missed the layup. He probed and drew FTs on a hesitation move, he made both. He missed a wing three. Second Half: He took an inbounds with 2 on the shotclock and hit the short one on the baseline. He hit a sideline three next time down. He missed a baseline jumper. He missed a layup he should have had. He sank a three in transition.

Boozer -- -- He scratched his way back in double digits. He’s got to pick it up offensively, string together a few more double digit games…maybe even see if he can push 20 at some point. That might be hard with playing with Nick, but we’ll see where Scott ends up with his rotations. Boozer was caught a couple of times for pushing off on the offensive glass tonight. Someone needs to throw a wrench at him every time he does that. Just a bad habit. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 5-10 shooting to go with 7 boards, 1 block, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a -7. The Action: He missed a pull-up jumper at the FT line. He was called for a travel. He missed another 15-footer. He faced up and attacked baseline around his man for a layup. He missed a fade in the lane. He scored a layup when Clarkson found him in transition. He backed down a smaller man, drop-stepped and scored. He iso’d and swished a pull-up jumper (he usually doesn’t hit off the dribble like that on his jumper, it’s either face up and shoot or attack for a score). Second Half: He missed a long perimeter chuck. He swished a wide open elbow jumper. He threw a pass away. Not close on a jumper.

Davis -- -- The one block stat doesn’t do justice to the number of shots he altered tonight. Good to see him making a stronger impact on that end again. I wonder if moving him to the bench helped him play a little more aggressive, not worrying about picking up fouls as much. He’s avoided the foul trouble as a starter, but I don’t think we’ve had quite the same defensive presence. The stats seem to back that up. In 4 more minutes per game as a starter, he has 1.1 blocks per game compared to 1.3 off the bench in less time. He also averages 2.2 fouls as a starter and 3.1 off the bench in less time. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-5 shooting to go with 4 boards (2 offensive), 1 block and 1 foul in 22 minutes. He was a -5. The Action: He grabbed a missed Swaggy three and kicked it to Nick to sink the next one. He scooped up a loose ball off a wild pass and scored a layup. He scored a layup off the high-low feed from Wes. Second Half: Looked like he might have blocked a dunk. He missed a layup around the D. Another good shot alteration at the rim. He couldn’t secure a couple defensive boards on one stand, somehow we avoided giving up a hoop after the Spurs had about 5 offensive boards that trip down the court. Another challenge and it forced Manu into a travel. He swatted a shot off the glass. He posted up and missed a jumphook. He crashed the glass and slammed back down the Price missed layup.

Scott -- -- Scott going to the deep bench starting lineup. Guys who had DNPs multiple times this year: Clarkson, Sacre, Kelly and even Ellington, who shuffles from start to bench to DNP… The Lakers were down 9-0 to start. We trailed 13-4 when the timeout came midway through the quarter (only Clarkson scoring). The ball was going into Sacre and Hill and getting nothing in return… He brought in Young, Boozer and Johnson to go with Clarkson and Ellington down 10 with over 4 minutes left… He sat Sacre for Davis down 11… Down 21-8, Clarkson sat for Price with 3:15 left. No Lin. Wow… The Lakers trailed 31-15 after the first quarter… Davis, Boozer, Johnson, Young and Price to start the second quarter… Lakers down 18 when Hill came in for Boozer… Hill had to sit with three fouls for Sacre… Clarkson back in for Price, Ellington in for Young, Lakers down 21… Starters now back in with Davis instead of Hill… The Lakers trailed 56-38 at the half. Lakers had just 5 turnovers… The Lakers cut it to 13, getting Kelly more into the offensive production… Down 15, he sat Sacre for Boozer midway through the quarter… He brought in Young, Davis and Johnson for Ellington, Hill and Kelly… He sat Clarkson for Price, Lakers down 73-56… The Lakers could have cut it to 10 on a couple of possessions… They trailed 76-61 heading into the fourth. Someone needs to catch fire and become a game changer for the Lakers to get them over the hump… They cut it to 10 on a Wes three… After a 5-point possession to put it back to 17 points, Scott called a timeout… That was that… Sacre, Hill, Ellington and Clarkson in to go with West, down 15 with 5 minutes left…
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject:

Sigh, guess we are tanking one way or another. But it was nice to give Clarkson the start in his home town.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:21 pm    Post subject:

THX DB. BS is DIRTY

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:33 pm    Post subject:

Embarrassing loss. We got toyed with.

Scott needing to give Price "a look" is a joke. Like DB said, he's been the starter for a while now and has been playing major minutes for us all season. Add to that his ten plus year history as a third string/backup guard, and what else do you need to see? He is what he is. Play the guys who have a chance to improve and be a part of our future. Starting Clarkson is a nice first step, now just bench Price.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:34 pm    Post subject:

I was not able to watch the game... Was Scott trying to win?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:48 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB. Clarkson can be another penetrator if Scott decides to play Lin again, that'll make 2. Price is close to a non-factor, even with the steals and assists. Ed did play well. Scott is befuddling now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:52 pm    Post subject:

The lineup was a head scratcher for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:55 pm    Post subject:

Clarkson's a happy kid tonight, made his mama proud. Heart-warming story.

It's Lin's first DNP-CD since Linsanity.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:57 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB. I cannot accept tanking...no matter the reason. Leaving Lin on the bench alone while everyone else played was some cold (bleep). Beyond that, giving those minutes to a player who basically contributed nothing just made me shake my head. If Byron's argument is that Price' defense is better than Lin's, you can plainly see that Price got torched tonight. Jeremy might have given up some points too....but he would have run the offense a lot more smoothly. Given how the game turned out....we might even had a chance in this one.

I don't think Byron was trying to win, and that makes me want him gone now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:02 pm    Post subject:

Wait did Scott really say he needed to give Price more of a look? I thought he was the Head of the Snake?? What in the real hell???

Aw man....

Anyway, thanks DB...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:09 pm    Post subject:

I have no problem with BS starting Clarkson, but unless Price is in Lakers' long term future, why is BS in love with Price?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Mitch needs to make a power move and waive Price and Ellington. It will free up minutes for Clarkson and Lin and we can then nab a prospect or two either in a trade or from the d-league. Roscoe Smith could be a nice SF.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:30 pm    Post subject:

webattorney wrote:
I have no problem with BS starting Clarkson, but unless Price is in Lakers' long term future, why is BS in love with Price?
Is JLin or Price the starting PG for the Lakers next season (since both of them have been starters for a number of games - no.

As the trade deadline/ASG is fast-approaching, these players are auditioning to be traded to a contender that needs one small missing piece (JHill to Portland with the injuries to Lopez and LA, Johnson, JLin with his expiring contract) or to be on a roster next season.

Probably the only ones back next season are Clarkson, Black, Davis, Kobe and Boozer
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject:

infinite-loop wrote:
I was not able to watch the game... Was Scott trying to win?


yep. he was desperately trying tin win.. without Lin. he's actually been trying to pull this off forever but failed and now he up'd it a notch
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:02 pm    Post subject:

i really like Jordan Clarkson's game, he goes to the rim... and the kid is a likable person too...hopefully he will see more playing time from now on...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:22 pm    Post subject:

Rawr wrote:
Mitch needs to make a power move and waive Price and Ellington. It will free up minutes for Clarkson and Lin and we can then nab a prospect or two either in a trade or from the d-league. Roscoe Smith could be a nice SF.


What's wrong with Ellington? He has a pretty nice game.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:19 am    Post subject:

Maybe trying to showcase those guys as much as possible for a trade for picks? Albeit, not great picks, but for picks that could become serviceable in the long run?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:48 am    Post subject:

tlim wrote:
Maybe trying to showcase those guys as much as possible for a trade for picks? Albeit, not great picks, but for picks that could become serviceable in the long run?
All these players are auditioning for jobs next season, whether it is with the Lakers or some other team

It is great that Clarkson has been able to place constant pressure on offense by coming in with pace, keeping one's dribble to find an opening, aggressive with every move, passing to shooters, playing goodmD
and being a triple threat that the Lakers have been looking for
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:40 am    Post subject:

Wow

That is all i can say...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:47 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
tlim wrote:
Maybe trying to showcase those guys as much as possible for a trade for picks? Albeit, not great picks, but for picks that could become serviceable in the long run?
All these players are auditioning for jobs next season, whether it is with the Lakers or some other team

It is great that Clarkson has been able to place constant pressure on offense by coming in with pace, keeping one's dribble to find an opening, aggressive with every move, passing to shooters, playing goodmD
and being a triple threat that the Lakers have been looking for


Scott lets a rookie "run" the offense but benches Lin when he tries to orchestrate anything. With all the excitement and how well he played, he accounted for 19 points (11 + 4 assists) in 29 minutes...Price, who we all can agree was nearly invisible..accounted for 12 (6 assists) in 19 minutes.
Also not sure where you get that he played good D...I didn't see that at all. Thought the Spurs PG's had open looks all night.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:46 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
tlim wrote:
Maybe trying to showcase those guys as much as possible for a trade for picks? Albeit, not great picks, but for picks that could become serviceable in the long run?
All these players are auditioning for jobs next season, whether it is with the Lakers or some other team

It is great that Clarkson has been able to place constant pressure on offense by coming in with pace, keeping one's dribble to find an opening, aggressive with every move, passing to shooters, playing goodmD
and being a triple threat that the Lakers have been looking for


Basically what Lin has done often. If Clarkson starts more games, he'll be up and down too. I like what Clarkson did yesterday, but let's see more.

And of course you'll have a justification for playing Price and not playing Lin.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:25 am    Post subject:

We want free agents to look at us and see how well we take care of our own, how Kobe has changed, but we have Scott who seemingly has it out for Lin.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:41 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

The only way I can remotely make sense of the Scott quote is that:

1. He wanted to start Clarkson in front of his family
2. He already knew what Lin can do on the 2nd unit
3. He wanted to find out how Price does on the 2nd unit

It didn't look like Scott was playing to win at all. Once Kobe went down he went from doggedly sticking with his guys to totally experimenting out of the box. Let's start all the previous DNP's.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:56 pm    Post subject:

bws94 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
tlim wrote:
Maybe trying to showcase those guys as much as possible for a trade for picks? Albeit, not great picks, but for picks that could become serviceable in the long run?
All these players are auditioning for jobs next season, whether it is with the Lakers or some other team

It is great that Clarkson has been able to place constant pressure on offense by coming in with pace, keeping one's dribble to find an opening, aggressive with every move, passing to shooters, playing goodmD
and being a triple threat that the Lakers have been looking for


Basically what Lin has done often. If Clarkson starts more games, he'll be up and down too. I like what Clarkson did yesterday, but let's see more.

And of course you'll have a justification for playing Price and not playing Lin.


Lol i like how he basically describes how Lin plays. I heard Dave Miller last night say how Clarkson keeps the defense on their toes when he gets the ball and goes 1 on 4, but when it's Lin hes out of control.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:24 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
Embarrassing loss. We got toyed with.
This is how I feel these days. The Lakers might look like that they are competitive at times, but it seems like that other teams are not taking them seriously and can, and have been doing so, win the game in the 4th when they want to.
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