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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:41 pm    Post subject: Better Center on this Roster than Circa 2006 Kwame Brown?

Is there a better center on this squad than the infamous 2006 version of Kwame Brown? Bad hands and all?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:55 pm    Post subject:

Kwame Brown was truly horrible. I think Ed Davis and J. Hill are both better than Kwame by significant margin. Kwame Brown is leagues above Sacre though....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:05 pm    Post subject:

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Kwame Brown was truly horrible. I think Ed Davis and J. Hill are both better than Kwame by significant margin. Kwame Brown is leagues above Sacre though....


Neither of those 2 could score on Kwame. Kwame would shut them both down flat cold. Kwame was horrible on offense, but was a very good defender - certainly a better defender than either Hill or Davis.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Better Center on this Roster than Circa 2006 Kwame Brown?

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Is there a better center on this squad than the infamous 2006 version of Kwame Brown? Bad hands and all?


Brown is more of a traditional center than Hill or Davis, so he's probably a little better, especially defensively, because Hill and Davis are really more PFs.

That said, I'd say Kwame, Jordan Hill and Ed Davis are all roughly at the same level, though they have different pros and cons. They fall into the run-of-the-mill starter but good backup category.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject:

What Kwame was great at was being to hold his ground on D. One of the few players, if not the only one, who was as able physically stand up to Shaq backing down.

We could actually use that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:23 pm    Post subject:

Kwame was very good defensively. Back then though we needed lots of offense, and thus his stone hands stuck out a lot. He'd probably do well on this team since we don't really have a center and lack interior defense.

I'd take 2005 Chris Mihm over him though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Better Center on this Roster than Circa 2006 Kwame Brown?

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Is there a better center on this squad than the infamous 2006 version of Kwame Brown? Bad hands and all?


Brown is more of a traditional center than Hill or Davis, so he's probably a little better, especially defensively, because Hill and Davis are really more PFs.

That said, I'd say Kwame, Jordan Hill and Ed Davis are all roughly at the same level, though they have different pros and cons. They fall into the run-of-the-mill starter but good backup category.


Bingo!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:27 pm    Post subject:

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Kwame was very good defensively. Back then though we needed lots of offense, and thus his stone hands stuck out a lot. He'd probably do well on this team since we don't really have a center and lack interior defense.

I'd take 2005 Chris Mihm over him though.


I truly believe Mihm could have been a top tier center in the league if he could have stayed healthy. He was playing at the perfect time for his skill set.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:50 pm    Post subject:

Why is Kwame always singled out as the poster boy of scrub players? He was not bad. He didnt live up to the hype of being a #1 pick but he was middle of the pack at worst when it comes to ranking nba centers. Talent wise, he would be the bonafide starter on this team for his defense alone.

People listen to Stephen A Smith too much. That rant was unnecessary.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:15 pm    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
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Kwame was very good defensively. Back then though we needed lots of offense, and thus his stone hands stuck out a lot. He'd probably do well on this team since we don't really have a center and lack interior defense.

I'd take 2005 Chris Mihm over him though.


I truly believe Mihm could have been a top tier center in the league if he could have stayed healthy. He was playing at the perfect time for his skill set.


Me too. He was really coming into his own before the injury bug hit him.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:01 pm    Post subject:

Kwame was an elite position defender. Sucked balls at everything else
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:56 pm    Post subject:

Good pick and roll defender and decent on boards
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:11 pm    Post subject:

Kwame was a good defender, but Hill is the better overall player. Better rebounder, better scorer, better passer, better pass recipient. Kwame was a very good defender, but that was about it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:14 pm    Post subject:

Kwame is very underrated...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject:

Treble Clef wrote:
Why is Kwame always singled out as the poster boy of scrub players? He was not bad. He didnt live up to the hype of being a #1 pick but he was middle of the pack at worst when it comes to ranking nba centers. Talent wise, he would be the bonafide starter on this team for his defense alone.

People listen to Stephen A Smith too much. That rant was unnecessary.


agreed, he would not have gotten his second/third contracts if he was truly that bad
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject:

Hill and Ed Davis >>> Kwame.
yes Kwame is clearly the best low post defender but thats all he has going for him and now that there are no elite centers in the game like Shaq, Hakeem, Admiral, thats not a big priority now adays
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:18 pm    Post subject:

I think Kwame had some post offensive skills, he just rushed a lot, was not poised enough...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:19 pm    Post subject:

Kwame was cursed by being drafted by MJ as the #1 overall selection.
I think he would've been better off going to college at the time and getting his fundamentals in order.
I don't think he would've been the pariah for MJ's failure as a GM if he had gone that route.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:22 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Kwame was cursed by being drafted by MJ as the #1 overall selection.
I think he would've been better off going to college at the time and getting his fundamentals in order.
I don't think he would've been the pariah for MJ's failure as a GM if he had gone that route.


same could be applied to Darko,
these two have the physical tools to be superstars
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:28 pm    Post subject:

Honeybadger81 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Kwame was cursed by being drafted by MJ as the #1 overall selection.
I think he would've been better off going to college at the time and getting his fundamentals in order.
I don't think he would've been the pariah for MJ's failure as a GM if he had gone that route.


same could be applied to Darko,
these two have the physical tools to be superstars


I don't think either of them would've been superstars.
However, they would've been much better basketball players had both played lower levels of basketball where they learned better fundamentals rather than being thrown into the deep end in the NBA....
Few players flourish in those types of situations. Kobe, Lebron, and KG are the rare players that managed to make it work, but they are the exception rather than the norm.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:34 pm    Post subject:

Don Draper wrote:
Kwame was very good defensively. Back then though we needed lots of offense, and thus his stone hands stuck out a lot. He'd probably do well on this team since we don't really have a center and lack interior defense.

I'd take 2005 Chris Mihm over him though.


2005 healthy Chris Mihm would probably thrive in this Center-starved league.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:41 pm    Post subject:



The one time I saw Kwame live as a Laker he put 19 and 6 in game 3 vs Suns lol. Even the crowd got worried when he rolled his ankle (not shown in vid tho)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:51 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Honeybadger81 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Kwame was cursed by being drafted by MJ as the #1 overall selection.
I think he would've been better off going to college at the time and getting his fundamentals in order.
I don't think he would've been the pariah for MJ's failure as a GM if he had gone that route.


same could be applied to Darko,
these two have the physical tools to be superstars


I don't think either of them would've been superstars.
However, they would've been much better basketball players had both played lower levels of basketball where they learned better fundamentals rather than being thrown into the deep end in the NBA....
Few players flourish in those types of situations. Kobe, Lebron, and KG are the rare players that managed to make it work, but they are the exception rather than the norm.


darko had skills, actually pretty good as a big man, his problem is dedication and heart.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:51 pm    Post subject:

I remember Phil saying he wouldn't trust Kwame with carrying babies.
And also advised him not to feed himself.

He also called Radmanovic a space cadet.


Man, Phil was pure gold.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:04 am    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
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Kwame was very good defensively. Back then though we needed lots of offense, and thus his stone hands stuck out a lot. He'd probably do well on this team since we don't really have a center and lack interior defense.

I'd take 2005 Chris Mihm over him though.


2005 healthy Chris Mihm would probably thrive in this Center-starved league.


Agreed. No joke, he'd probably be averaging 18 and 10 on our current team.
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