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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:03 am Post subject: Chad Ford's Draft Boards Get Retroactively Improved |
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Reddit uncovered an interesting note about Chad Ford's draft boards over at ESPN. They improve them in retrospect. Players who turned out to be studs mysteriously move up in the archives and busts move down.
Deadspin:
Quote: | Re-ranking how? By slyly moving up players who turned out to be NBA stars and dropping those who've become busts. Here's the breakdown, by year, of how Ford edited his draft boards—and when, per archives at The Wayback Machine, those edits were made.
2009 (rankings page edited between Feb. 8 and Apr. 27, 2012):
James Harden moved up from #6 to #3. Jrue Holiday raised from #8 to #6. DeMar DeRozan improved from #10 to #8. Ty Lawson goes up from #15 to #11. Hasheem Thabeet, Jonny Flynn, Eric Maynor, and Austin Daye all got dropped.
2010 (rankings page edited between Oct. 9 and Nov. 5, 2012):
Eric Bledsoe moved from #13 to #11, swapped with Xavier Henry. Avery Henry Bradley moved from #14 to #12, swapped with Cole Aldrich. Jordan Crawford, #19 to #16. Luke Babbitt dropped from #16 to #17, Devin Ebanks dropped out of the top 20, and Kevin Seraphin brought into the top 20. Damion James moved up a spot from #20 to #19.
2011 (rankings page edited between Oct. 9, 2012, and June 14, 2013):
Tristan Thompson dropped from #6 to #7, swapped with Kawhi Leonard. Klay Thompson boosted from #11 to #8, swapped with Jan Vesely. Kenneth Faried raised from #14 to #10, with Jimmer Fredette dropping from #10 to #12, Alec Burks from #12 to #13, Bismack Biyombo from #13 to #14, and Iman Shumpert magically showing up in the top 20.
2012 (rankings page edited between Aug. 31, 2012, and March 28, 2013):
Damian Lillard rises from #8 to #4. Thomas Robinson drops from #4 to #6, and Dion Waiters and Harrison Barnes each fell a spot. Austin Rivers fell from the the 14th spot to not being on the list at all. Kendall Marshall also fell out of the top 20, with Tyler Zeller and Maurice Harkless taking their places.
2013 (rankings edited within the last three months):
Giannis Antetokounmpo leapt from 17th to 9th. Michael Carter-Williams rose from #9 to #7. Jamaal Franklin, Shane Larkin, Sergey Karasev, and Lucas Nogueira all vanish from the top 20. Their replacements are Gorgui Dieng, Tim Hardaway Jr., Mason Plumlee, and Rudy Gobert.
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despicable _________________ Kobe |
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Not even a little bit surprised. #bspn _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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That's why I don't follow his mocks. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:47 am Post subject: |
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ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
Fantastic. He is ESPN's voice of the draft, but there's a big difference between a journalist and a die-hard draft guy. The analysis goes far beyond statistics. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:54 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Mike@LG wrote: | That's why I don't follow his mocks. |
Yeah. It's informational but isn't like he claims he's nate silver vis a vis presidential elections. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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The entire ESPN organization is garbage _________________ i drink haterade. and i drink it by the gallons. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:30 am Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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he sucks.
I don't even think I need to elaborate on this, because if you've followed the NBA as a fan long enough, you just know.
Goldenthroat and Mike _at_ LG should submit their resumes. |
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He has to be fired, or moved off of the Draft at the very least. |
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AY2043 Franchise Player
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I trust the opinions of Mike, GT, and 24 way more than Ford or any other ESPN guys. They're consistently wrong year in and year out, and fail most of the time to even put out accurate analysis. Not sure how they still have jobs |
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Chad Ford is a fraud and no one in the room is surprised. |
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Darko. Milicic. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:03 am Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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They've commented now.
Ford is denying any involvement. ESPN is admitting there were changes but they don't know who at this time |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | He has to be fired, or moved off of the Draft at the very least. |
Nah, they'll just point to some lowly staffer to give Ford deniability. |
Yes. Blame the ball boy. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | rwongega wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | He has to be fired, or moved off of the Draft at the very least. |
Nah, they'll just point to some lowly staffer to give Ford deniability. |
Yes. Blame the ball boy. |
I hear it was that same locker room attendant that deflated the balls for the patriots. Acting on his own free will, of course. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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They've commented now.
Ford is denying any involvement. ESPN is admitting there were changes but they don't know who at this time |
This is a weird story. My hunch is that Ford had nothing to do with. I'd guess that some low-level employee did it goofing around. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | 22 wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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They've commented now.
Ford is denying any involvement. ESPN is admitting there were changes but they don't know who at this time |
This is a weird story. My hunch is that Ford had nothing to do with. I'd guess that some low-level employee did it goofing around. |
Conspiracy time. When the (bleep) hits the fan, blame the fall guy. _________________ http://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Suffice to say that the sports blog content world isn't subject to any stronger change control standards and auditing procedures than was the real estate banking industry, was prior to Sarbanes-Oxley.
Revisionist history ? ESPN ? I'm shocked any reader would take time to prove it. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | 22 wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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They've commented now.
Ford is denying any involvement. ESPN is admitting there were changes but they don't know who at this time |
This is a weird story. My hunch is that Ford had nothing to do with. I'd guess that some low-level employee did it goofing around. |
You're assuming Ford has integrity, I know he doesn't _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong |
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Telleris wrote: | activeverb wrote: | 22 wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | ocho wrote: | ESPN hasn't commented on this yet but all versions of his draft boards have reverted back to original since the story broke. |
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They've commented now.
Ford is denying any involvement. ESPN is admitting there were changes but they don't know who at this time |
This is a weird story. My hunch is that Ford had nothing to do with. I'd guess that some low-level employee did it goofing around. |
You're assuming Ford has integrity, I know he doesn't |
I'm not making any assumptions about Ford's integrity. I just don't think he went back and changed the rankings. |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:39 am Post subject: |
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I heard there's several videos of low-level ESPN employees disappearing into the bathroom for about 90 seconds with a laptop. Apparently it was also the day of the Fappening. |
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