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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:26 am Post subject: |
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ESPN is a joke, don't waste your time reading this (bleep) |
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Voices Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:28 am Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | Oliver Reed wrote: | Lakers have treated Kobe Bryant to the tune of $328,238,062 when his 20th year of his contract has finalized. Can you imagine making $16,411,903.10 for 20 years playing a freakin game where you put an orange ball in a open cylinder? Perspective. Use it. |
Great point Oliver.
I love basketball and the Lakers and Kobe but to me it is ludicrous to pay that kind of money to someone to play basketball, honestly it seems like there could be a lot better social uses for it but I guess that is another conversation.
But let's stop with "the Lakers mistreated Kobe" nonsense already. They could not have been more loyal to Kobe and I do respect them for that even if the last contract they handed out to him killed our chances to win while it is being performed. |
Agree
Kobe has been treated like a King, much deserved I might add, over played, please stop people with that perspective, it frigging basketball. _________________ .....
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Yeah Kobe is oppressed |
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ROTL Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Kobe was definitely mistreated. He's made the Lakers way more money than they've paid him. And when they had the opportunity to hire coaches like Adelman, Shaw, Phil who would protect him and give him the best chance to win, they hired Clown, Shamphony, and BS who have run kobe into the ground.
In the meantime, when they had the chance to bring in talent like Eric Bledsoe to take pressure off Kobe, they instead chose to give Jordan Hill 9 million dollars.
And then, when it's clear that kobe cant do it all anymore, BS decides to take out all players from the starting lineup with any offensive talent, and leave Kobe as the only player who can create a shot for himself or others.
Kobe has absolutely been thoroughly mistreated. He routinely has to play against the other team, the refs, his own teammates, and his moron coach. |
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clutchkobe Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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what does loyal have to do with minutes played? the spurs are loyal to tim Duncan and? this goes back to last year also....they play kobe like he is 26. Yes it is kobes fault but the front office, Byron and mike dantoni are also at fault. Those are decisions the front office makes. they were all wrong. |
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clutchkobe Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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ROTL wrote: | Kobe was definitely mistreated. He's made the Lakers way more money than they've paid him. And when they had the opportunity to hire coaches like Adelman, Shaw, Phil who would protect him and give him the best chance to win, they hired Clown, Shamphony, and BS who have run kobe into the ground.
In the meantime, when they had the chance to bring in talent like Eric Bledsoe to take pressure off Kobe, they instead chose to give Jordan Hill 9 million dollars.
And then, when it's clear that kobe cant do it all anymore, BS decides to take out all players from the starting lineup with any offensive talent, and leave Kobe as the only player who can create a shot for himself or others.
Kobe has absolutely been thoroughly mistreated. He routinely has to play against the other team, the refs, his own teammates, and his moron coach. |
I agree because after last year....they should have gotten kobe help....but our front office did not come through again. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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clutchkobe wrote: | what does loyal have to do with minutes played? the spurs are loyal to tim Duncan and? this goes back to last year also....they play kobe like he is 26. Yes it is kobes fault but the front office, Byron and mike dantoni are also at fault. Those are decisions the front office makes. they were all wrong. |
No, the FO does not decide minutes and rotations. That is the coach and the players.
You see "ESPN" in the title and wonder, why post a link? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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ROTL Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | clutchkobe wrote: | what does loyal have to do with minutes played? the spurs are loyal to tim Duncan and? this goes back to last year also....they play kobe like he is 26. Yes it is kobes fault but the front office, Byron and mike dantoni are also at fault. Those are decisions the front office makes. they were all wrong. |
No, the FO does not decide minutes and rotations. That is the coach and the players.
You see "ESPN" in the title and wonder, why post a link? |
The coach decides minutes....and who decides who the coach is? Fail after fail after fail. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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ROTL wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | clutchkobe wrote: | what does loyal have to do with minutes played? the spurs are loyal to tim Duncan and? this goes back to last year also....they play kobe like he is 26. Yes it is kobes fault but the front office, Byron and mike dantoni are also at fault. Those are decisions the front office makes. they were all wrong. |
No, the FO does not decide minutes and rotations. That is the coach and the players.
You see "ESPN" in the title and wonder, why post a link? |
The coach decides minutes....and who decides who the coach is? Fail after fail after fail. |
So you want to change the discussion? Pass. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Even on a lighter minutes load, it's debatable he was going to be an impactful player on a relevant team this season and next. Byron didn't break Kobe's body down. Kobe broke Kobe's body down. He's been in the league for 19 years. How else was it going to end? With Kobe dunking from the free throw line? |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Attention to detail doesn't appear to be Byrons strong suit. |
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clutchkobe Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | Even on a lighter minutes load, it's debatable he was going to be an impactful player on a relevant team this season and next. Byron didn't break Kobe's body down. Kobe broke Kobe's body down. He's been in the league for 19 years. How else was it going to end? With Kobe dunking from the free throw line? |
this is not true....if kobe was on a championship team and was the third option.....kobe would have probably made it through the whole season....the problem is he is the number one option on our team and they play him like one. Look at dirk on dallas and tim Duncan....he could definetly be as good as both the players on a team with talent. the front office has failed kobe these last three years. |
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Peoples Hernandez Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you OP for the excerpts because I refuse to click an ESPN article regarding my team. They can have their garbage league with the rest of the Small Market Mafia without my viewership. _________________ Whenever the Lakers benefit all of a sudden rules need to be changed and trades need to be blocked.
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Peoples Hernandez Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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clutchkobe wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | Even on a lighter minutes load, it's debatable he was going to be an impactful player on a relevant team this season and next. Byron didn't break Kobe's body down. Kobe broke Kobe's body down. He's been in the league for 19 years. How else was it going to end? With Kobe dunking from the free throw line? |
this is not true....if kobe was on a championship team and was the third option.....kobe would have probably made it through the whole season....the problem is he is the number one option on our team and they play him like one. Look at dirk on dallas and tim Duncan....he could definetly be as good as both the players on a team with talent. the front office has failed kobe these last three years. |
The FO swung for the fences and lost. Let's not place total blame on them when the leagues little clique of owners (small market mafia) has successfully frozen us out and salted away Kobe's last remaining years. They can keep their league. _________________ Whenever the Lakers benefit all of a sudden rules need to be changed and trades need to be blocked.
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Oliver Reed Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Difference between the Spurs and lakers is front office strategies and market constraints. Lakers like the flashy, top superstars which is consistent with the Hollywood mantra. Spurs have a glorified Euro style team.
Lakers last gasp at keeping its multiple stars approach died with howard/pau/nash. It was a valiant approach but it's left quite a mortgaged future.
So the team has few assets to surround kobe at precisely the time he needed the most help in his career. |
While I wish it was as simple as LA likes Flash and San Antonio likes Blash, Tim Duncan is a once in a 3 lifetime player. Seriously, who could even compare to this guy from a personality stand point AND player? Bill Russell was the only player besides Tim Duncan that could blend all world talent with team first, no matter what, mentality.
Shaq and Kobe had the game in their hands. Had it not been for Shaq and Kobe, Duncan would more than likely be siting on 8 titles right now. And what did Shaq and Kobe do? They (bleep) like a couple of (bleep) and decides to part ways when they could have owned everything and everyone in the NBA, to the point where no one before or after could touch. EGO, destroys more players careers than anything else. Now, Kobe and Shaq's career werent destroyed, but they left a lot of years in the crapper when they should have been winning titles.
Shaq's decline started in 2006. Had he stayed in shape, he could have transfered like Kareem did and the Lakers could have still built around them and kept on winning. So much could have been done had they just worked together. Lakers could have won 7 or 8 titles in the 2000's. No doubt about it. |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Oliver Reed wrote: | Lakers have treated Kobe Bryant to the tune of $328,238,062 when his 20th year of his contract has finalized. Can you imagine making $16,411,903.10 for 20 years playing a freakin game where you put an orange ball in a open cylinder? Perspective. Use it. |
so true. I thought the article was only talking about how he was treated this season. I also interpreted treated as the medical meaning, in other words they didnt handle him with proper care. If they were talking about him being slighted or treated poorly by the Lakers his whole career, then yeah it's a joke. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Oliver Reed wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Difference between the Spurs and lakers is front office strategies and market constraints. Lakers like the flashy, top superstars which is consistent with the Hollywood mantra. Spurs have a glorified Euro style team.
Lakers last gasp at keeping its multiple stars approach died with howard/pau/nash. It was a valiant approach but it's left quite a mortgaged future.
So the team has few assets to surround kobe at precisely the time he needed the most help in his career. |
While I wish it was as simple as LA likes Flash and San Antonio likes Blash, Tim Duncan is a once in a 3 lifetime player. Seriously, who could even compare to this guy from a personality stand point AND player? Bill Russell was the only player besides Tim Duncan that could blend all world talent with team first, no matter what, mentality.
Shaq and Kobe had the game in their hands. Had it not been for Shaq and Kobe, Duncan would more than likely be siting on 8 titles right now. And what did Shaq and Kobe do? They (bleep) like a couple of (bleep) and decides to part ways when they could have owned everything and everyone in the NBA, to the point where no one before or after could touch. EGO, destroys more players careers than anything else. Now, Kobe and Shaq's career werent destroyed, but they left a lot of years in the crapper when they should have been winning titles.
Shaq's decline started in 2006. Had he stayed in shape, he could have transfered like Kareem did and the Lakers could have still built around them and kept on winning. So much could have been done had they just worked together. Lakers could have won 7 or 8 titles in the 2000's. No doubt about it. |
Duncan is one of my top 10 fave players no doubt. Didn't mean at all to disrespect him. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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you guys are missing the real point of the article. treating your kids right does not mean give him/her all the money in the world. you can use the same analogy on Kobe. sure Lakers rewarded him financially, but they have allowed him to dictate how he'd play this game doesn't matter who the head coach is. the Laker front office basically let Kobe do WHATEVER HE WANTS on the court (whether it's playing time or style of play) the past 2 seasons and in counting. this is the real point of that article. you can respect and reward someone like Kobe for what he has done, but right now the Lakers are spoiling him more than rewarding him, and that is bad for both parties. |
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clutchkobe Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Oliver Reed wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Difference between the Spurs and lakers is front office strategies and market constraints. Lakers like the flashy, top superstars which is consistent with the Hollywood mantra. Spurs have a glorified Euro style team.
Lakers last gasp at keeping its multiple stars approach died with howard/pau/nash. It was a valiant approach but it's left quite a mortgaged future.
So the team has few assets to surround kobe at precisely the time he needed the most help in his career. |
While I wish it was as simple as LA likes Flash and San Antonio likes Blash, Tim Duncan is a once in a 3 lifetime player. Seriously, who could even compare to this guy from a personality stand point AND player? Bill Russell was the only player besides Tim Duncan that could blend all world talent with team first, no matter what, mentality.
Shaq and Kobe had the game in their hands. Had it not been for Shaq and Kobe, Duncan would more than likely be siting on 8 titles right now. And what did Shaq and Kobe do? They (bleep) like a couple of (bleep) and decides to part ways when they could have owned everything and everyone in the NBA, to the point where no one before or after could touch. EGO, destroys more players careers than anything else. Now, Kobe and Shaq's career werent destroyed, but they left a lot of years in the crapper when they should have been winning titles.
Shaq's decline started in 2006. Had he stayed in shape, he could have transfered like Kareem did and the Lakers could have still built around them and kept on winning. So much could have been done had they just worked together. Lakers could have won 7 or 8 titles in the 2000's. No doubt about it. |
kobe is not a once in a lifetime player? kobe and shaq would be sitting on 8-10 titles also....we could play the what if game forever! kobe did not have to be a team first guy.... he just needed to have a top notch front office which he does not have....instead of the front office which is trying to learn how to make things work.....what does team first mean.....let the employer make all the money while the player takes a pay cut and does all the work......stop being mad at kobe because he thought he should get paid and also give everything he has on the court....that's the way its supposed to be...not us fans begging the players to take less money and they are horrible people if they don't. |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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If the Lakers got post Achilles Kobe "help," by tying guys up like Bledsoe to long term deals, then we would be in medicore hell for eternity. Spending money around THIS Kobe is stupid. They did the right thing. We need to let this thing crumble to the ground. You don't want to be the New York Knicks for the next 25 years. |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe is fine. The last few years didn't go as plan. Oh well, life goes on and Kobe has had an awesome career. |
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salami Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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It hurts to feel that you left something on the table. When you did not get the most out on an opportunity. I am completely sure that Kobe feels burned by the decision to hire Dantoni instead of Phil to coach the dreamteam roster. It is easy to say that in hindsight, but it was just as easy to see it as it happened. And the people who wont admit it probably cant admit it because it hurts too badly.
No use crying over spilled milk tho so whatever, pay the man his 48 mil but dont think it makes up for hiring Dantoni and trainwrecking this franchise into a black hole _________________ IM THE GREATEST HITTER IN THE WORLD!!!1! |
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Voices Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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CBaller8 wrote: | Kobe is fine. The last few years didn't go as plan. Oh well, life goes on and Kobe has had an awesome career. |
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ALTHOUGH HE STANDS 6 FEET 2 INCHES, JIM BUSS ATTENDED JOCKEY SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS 20. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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CBaller8 wrote: | Kobe is fine. The last few years didn't go as plan. Oh well, life goes on and Kobe has had an awesome career. |
and a great rest of his life. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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clutchkobe wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | Even on a lighter minutes load, it's debatable he was going to be an impactful player on a relevant team this season and next. Byron didn't break Kobe's body down. Kobe broke Kobe's body down. He's been in the league for 19 years. How else was it going to end? With Kobe dunking from the free throw line? |
this is not true....if kobe was on a championship team and was the third option.....kobe would have probably made it through the whole season....the problem is he is the number one option on our team and they play him like one. Look at dirk on dallas and tim Duncan....he could definetly be as good as both the players on a team with talent. the front office has failed kobe these last three years. |
That is one gigantic if. How would you afford two players that make Kobe the third option? The reality of Kobe's salary required him to be the #1 minutes guy. You want to look at Dirk and Duncan? Look at their cap figures. |
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