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pio2u
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| kray28_ wrote: | What exactly is there to blow up?  |
Not much because we actually imploded 1 or 2 years ago. |
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Lakersfield
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Lakers need to be at least in the 4 spot. The 5 spot is too iffy. They can
slide a spot like last year and that would top off a disaster season.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Get to 3.
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| kray28_ wrote: | | What exactly is there to blow up? |
Thats what I was wondering too. |
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King Randle
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| We have 2 first rounders and 2 seconds. Hopefully we can trade Hill for a #1 to a team that believes they're contending. That's a start. And it's not unrealistic to think we can sign Dragic or Butler or these type of FA's if you structure the deal like Dallas did with Parsons. Rockets couldn't match |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | We have 2 first rounders and 2 seconds. Hopefully we can trade Hill for a #1 to a team that believes they're contending. That's a start. And it's not unrealistic to think we can sign Dragic or Butler or these type of FA's if you structure the deal like Dallas did with Parsons. Rockets couldn't match |
There really isn't much we can do since Butler was a 1st round pick unlike Parsons.
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Mini Mamba
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | We have 2 first rounders and 2 seconds. Hopefully we can trade Hill for a #1 to a team that believes they're contending. That's a start. And it's not unrealistic to think we can sign Dragic or Butler or these type of FA's if you structure the deal like Dallas did with Parsons. Rockets couldn't match |
If we could also get a 2nd for Lin that would be help us rebuild. On draft night we might be able to get a late 1st by giving up 2 2nds.
That would give us 4 1st round picks this year. Add those to Randle, Clarkson, Kelly, Black and we have a great young core to build around. |
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KBH
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| Quote: | They offered Pau Gasol, thriving in Chicago but useless on a team without postseason prospects, a big contract including, as Gasol revealed a few weeks back, a mind-numbingly inappropriate no-trade clause. For every smart deal like the one they pulled with Houston, absorbing Jeremy Lin into their cap space and sucking up a first-rounder from the Rockets for their trouble, there was the complete waste of time and money on Carlos Boozer. These moves, and others, happen because the Lakers pathologically refuse to acknowledge what they are.
They hint at rebuilding, that it’s a process and people need to be patient, but at the same time have never given the fan base enough credit to be genuinely honest. It’s not a question of “tanking,” one of the most misappropriated words in basketball, but fully embracing reality, acknowledging the team needs to be stripped down to the studs and rebuilt, using every means available. Even those methods — gasp! — used by plain old teams without their rich history and cache. Management believes Lakers fans only understand the language of superstars, and have given them virtually nothing in which to invest themselves over the last couple seasons. (In fairness, one of those things — Julius Randle — broke his leg in the first game of the year.)
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That's not the best excerpt you could have pulled from the piece. The article deals with an issue/thought we've discussed on this board. Whether or not the team is fully-committed to a rebuild plan and not trying to do two things at once (being competitive and rebuilding at the same time). A lot of the moves that have made don't look like that of a ball club realizing that the greatest thing we can salvage from this season is a draft pick. A lot of us-heck, I'm one of them-have talked ourselves into the notion that we put together a stealth tank squad. But that's mostly because I'd rather believe we aren't stumbling into tanking and hoping it works out in the end. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| KBH wrote: | | Quote: | They offered Pau Gasol, thriving in Chicago but useless on a team without postseason prospects, a big contract including, as Gasol revealed a few weeks back, a mind-numbingly inappropriate no-trade clause. For every smart deal like the one they pulled with Houston, absorbing Jeremy Lin into their cap space and sucking up a first-rounder from the Rockets for their trouble, there was the complete waste of time and money on Carlos Boozer. These moves, and others, happen because the Lakers pathologically refuse to acknowledge what they are.
They hint at rebuilding, that it’s a process and people need to be patient, but at the same time have never given the fan base enough credit to be genuinely honest. It’s not a question of “tanking,” one of the most misappropriated words in basketball, but fully embracing reality, acknowledging the team needs to be stripped down to the studs and rebuilt, using every means available. Even those methods — gasp! — used by plain old teams without their rich history and cache. Management believes Lakers fans only understand the language of superstars, and have given them virtually nothing in which to invest themselves over the last couple seasons. (In fairness, one of those things — Julius Randle — broke his leg in the first game of the year.)
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That's not the best excerpt you could have pulled from the piece. The article deals with an issue/thought we've discussed on this board. Whether or not the team is fully-committed to a rebuild plan and not trying to do two things at once (being competitive and rebuilding at the same time). A lot of the moves that have made don't look like that of a ball club realizing that the greatest thing we can salvage from this season is a draft pick. A lot of us-heck, I'm one of them-have talked ourselves into the notion that we put together a stealth tank squad. But that's mostly because I'd rather believe we aren't stumbling into tanking and hoping it works out in the end. |
Well said. |
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lukewaltonsdad
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| Has anybody heard a rumor that the Lakers were offering Lin/Hill/Nash expiring for Richardson/Embiid? |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| kray28_ wrote: | | What exactly is there to blow up? |
Exactly! |
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K28
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How the Blowup already happened:
The "blowup" started with the Stern trade veto which came on the heels of the Dallas sweep/Phil leaving/Jim taking over/Hiring Mike Brown/Lockout. That was the first domino to fall. The immediate casualty was Lamar, and the longer term casualty was Pau...who tried to be as professional as he could given the circumstances. After that, Fish was shipped out for Hill and a 10 week rental of Sessions. Next up was Drew, who finally got his ass "shipped out" for Dwight. When Dwight left 10 months later and Ron Artest was amnestied....the blowup was complete....with the one exception of Kobe Bryant.
From the Dallas sweep in May 2011, it took a little more than 2 years to do it. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For every smart deal like the one they pulled with Houston, absorbing Jeremy Lin into their cap space and sucking up a first-rounder from the Rockets for their trouble, there was the complete waste of time and money on Carlos Boozer. |
Boozer was not going to put you over the top, but he was a cheap tutor for Randle. |
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AY2043
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| lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | Has anybody heard a rumor that the Lakers were offering Lin/Hill/Nash expiring for Richardson/Embiid? |
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lukewaltonsdad
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| AY2043 wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | Has anybody heard a rumor that the Lakers were offering Lin/Hill/Nash expiring for Richardson/Embiid? |
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Yeah, I know laughable. I thought so myself. That's what I get for being so naive. In other words, stupid. LOL |
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Cha*n
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| I hope Kobe retires ans takes a position of some kind with the Lakers. He's given us a great ride and deserves not injuring himself in a way that will hurt him in retirement, |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | Has anybody heard a rumor that the Lakers were offering Lin/Hill/Nash expiring for Richardson/Embiid? |
Have not heard that one but I would not be shocked if both team’s current rosters were completely blown to smithereens between now and the off-season...  |
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