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Jeggs
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 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:54 pm Post subject: Is Hassan Whiteside the new Bill Russell? 14 points, 12 blocks, 13 rebounds... |
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| If you saw the miami v chicago game....I am just starting to think this guy is what Bill Russell looked like back in the day. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:12 am Post subject: |
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he might be better, actually.
his 2K rating is on the rise, thats for sure. |
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Would rather have him then that bum Howard.  |
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vedanta
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Well, the guy is 25 or 26 years old, good age, but not a kid who´s going to improve dramatically, and the last years he´s played in the second chinese league and in the lebanese league...
I don´t know. Sometimes there are miracles, but when so many GM´s pass on a player there usually are hidden problems (attitude, etc.) that maybe have not arisen yet this season.
I´ll wait before drawing conclussions on him. And the comparisons with Russell, wow, can I have two of what you guys are drinking?  |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:39 am Post subject: |
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He's always had the talent.
Why do you think it took him so long?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Do you know what Bill Russell achieved by age 25, 26?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| I can't wait until the trade deadline. |
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vedanta
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: |
Why do you think it took him so long? |
That´s what puzzles me. If he had the talent, how could all those profesional GM pass on him? If he played way below his standards in front of them, why did he do it? Attitude problems? Either way, I am not sold on this guy at all |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:33 am Post subject: |
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That's an interesting question. With the Kings, he averaged 10/13/5 on a per 36 minute basis, but he couldn't get any playing time. It makes you wonder what is going on beneath the surface. However, this could be a case of a guy who just needed some time to get it together. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | I can't wait until the trade deadline. |
Same here. Although recently he's said since Kobe got hurt the bet is off
You gotta do at least a week minimum though GT. That was insane lol |
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Fan0Bynum17
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Rich man's Bill Russell |
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I think that GMs and coaches are so used to having a certain system that they follow for evaluating talent, that they can easily miss things that don't easily fall into that system.
Just like how there are guys that may be extremely talents on the playgrounds, but they are never is a position to really be scouted.
There are players right under our noses that don't even get proper scouting. |
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Fan0Bynum17
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| Why does the failure always have to be on scouts and GM's? Maybe they've scouted him appropriately up until this point and he's just now becoming a reliable NBA player? I swear, it's like if these guys aren't psychics, then people act like they're (bleep) ups with egg on their face. Sometimes things aren't really predictable. |
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| Yes, he is the new Bill Russell. |
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| Reflexx wrote: | I think that GMs and coaches are so used to having a certain system that they follow for evaluating talent, that they can easily miss things that don't easily fall into that system.
Just like how there are guys that may be extremely talents on the playgrounds, but they are never is a position to really be scouted.
There are players right under our noses that don't even get proper scouting. |
Actually he was a bust early in his career....
He had to go to the D-League to work on his fundamentals, which is the reason why he is a much better player now than he was back when he was drafted. Coupled that with his change in mentality and he is a much different player than when he was drafted in 2010. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Why does the failure always have to be on scouts and GM's? Maybe they've scouted him appropriately up until this point and he's just now becoming a reliable NBA player? I swear, it's like if these guys aren't psychics, then people act like they're (bleep) ups with egg on their face. Sometimes things aren't really predictable. |
What scouts and GMs can't really judge.
1. Degree of work ethic.
2. The work ethic applied to the NBA floor.
Sasha Vujacic was the Machine in practice, but game time, didn't have him shooting like Kyle Korver.
Kobe on the other hand, learned one skill, and applied it next game.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Why does the failure always have to be on scouts and GM's? Maybe they've scouted him appropriately up until this point and he's just now becoming a reliable NBA player? I swear, it's like if these guys aren't psychics, then people act like they're (bleep) ups with egg on their face. Sometimes things aren't really predictable. |
What scouts and GMs can't really judge.
1. Degree of work ethic.
2. The work ethic applied to the NBA floor.
Sasha Vujacic was the Machine in practice, but game time, didn't have him shooting like Kyle Korver.
Kobe on the other hand, learned one skill, and applied it next game. |
Poor Sasha. 07-08 Machine would be the number one option on our current squad. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| vedanta wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: |
Why do you think it took him so long? |
That´s what puzzles me. If he had the talent, how could all those profesional GM pass on him? If he played way below his standards in front of them, why did he do it? Attitude problems? Either way, I am not sold on this guy at all |
He looks like a high risk to high reward player, unlike Sacre. Given the state of our roster I'd rather see Whiteside signed for a two year guaranteed contract versus someone like Swaggy or Hill. |
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| Don Draper wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Why does the failure always have to be on scouts and GM's? Maybe they've scouted him appropriately up until this point and he's just now becoming a reliable NBA player? I swear, it's like if these guys aren't psychics, then people act like they're (bleep) ups with egg on their face. Sometimes things aren't really predictable. |
What scouts and GMs can't really judge.
1. Degree of work ethic.
2. The work ethic applied to the NBA floor.
Sasha Vujacic was the Machine in practice, but game time, didn't have him shooting like Kyle Korver.
Kobe on the other hand, learned one skill, and applied it next game. |
Poor Sasha. 07-08 Machine would be the number one option on our
current squad. |
He'd be the next guy holding back Lin. |
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Fan0Bynum17
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| His draft stock pretty much went the way of DeAndre Jordan. Both were mentioned as late lotto at the peak of their hype, then gradually slipped to just 1st round projections, and then once draft time came, they fell to the early 2nd. Whiteside had questions about his competition, character (there was word he had a horrible attitude,) polish, and that he was old for his class. But he was being recognized and getting hype for his talent, in that had insane shot blocking ability, very good athleticism in a 7 ft frame, and a jump shot that had potential. I guess he kind of like Javale McGee. |
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I think he might be closer to the next Jeremy Lin than Bill Russell.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Do you know what Bill Russell achieved by age 25, 26? |
By the age of 26, Bill Russell was a 2-time NCAA Champion, 4-time NBA Champion, 4-time All-Star, and 2-time League MVP.
He did that right there in his first 5 years in the NBA. |
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Do you know what Bill Russell achieved by age 25, 26? |
By the age of 26, Bill Russell was a 2-time NCAA Champion, 4-time NBA Champion, 4-time All-Star, and 2-time League MVP.
He did that right there in his first 5 years in the NBA. |
so you're saying that whiteside is only slightly more accomplished? |
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| Shlumpledink wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Do you know what Bill Russell achieved by age 25, 26? |
By the age of 26, Bill Russell was a 2-time NCAA Champion, 4-time NBA Champion, 4-time All-Star, and 2-time League MVP.
He did that right there in his first 5 years in the NBA. |
so you're saying that whiteside is only slightly more accomplished? |
I remember one time when Gilbert Arenas scored 60 points in LA against the Lakers, and someone wrote the next day, is Arenas the next Jordan? So yes, Whiteside will be better then Bill Russell. It's science. |
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | Shlumpledink wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Do you know what Bill Russell achieved by age 25, 26? |
By the age of 26, Bill Russell was a 2-time NCAA Champion, 4-time NBA Champion, 4-time All-Star, and 2-time League MVP.
He did that right there in his first 5 years in the NBA. |
so you're saying that whiteside is only slightly more accomplished? |
I remember one time when Gilbert Arenas scored 60 points in LA against the Lakers, and someone wrote the next day, is Arenas the next Jordan? So yes, Whiteside will be better then Bill Russell. It's science. |
It's math, Bill Russel has 11 rings, Whiteside has 0 , therefore Whiteside is better than Russel. |
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