The Wizards were pretty sucky in those days. They would be much better with Kobe over Arenas, but it's hard for me to see that squad doing much in the playoff without further changes -- which brings up really deep into woulda coulda shoulda territory.
Lakers were the perfect platform and place for kobe. Wouldn't and shouldn't change a thing. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
For sure, 2003-04 wizrads would not be 25-57 with 2003- Kobe.
And the next 8 years at least could be entertaining for the Wizardsand NBA. _________________ Kobe's Top 5 Dunks, 81 points, MJ last gm @Staples
It's all but impossible to accept Kobe's claim at face value. This is just a prep speech as he'll try to recruit free agents for the Lakers during the offseason.
The real question is, what if the Sixers had drafted Kobe in 1996? I mean, he was breaking Wilt Chamberlain records in their backyard, yet, they thought drafting AI would further their interest.
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:29 pm Post subject:
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me _________________ Billions Billions Billions
A crappy team with an aging superstar with 2 years left in him. Nobody joined MJ in WAS, why would anyone want to join Kobe? _________________ Lakers. Built different.
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:39 pm Post subject:
15 wrote:
LakersNewEra wrote:
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me
Not sure how to put this in a civil and respectful way...but thats the dumbest thing I've read in a very long time here. And I apologize if it offends u, u are entitled to ur opinion but thats the argument Kobe haters used before he won his titles without Shaq..
By winning without Shaq, he shut em up forever.
He is not a TMac, AI, whatever. He is Jordan/LeBron level. More dominant than both as a scorer though.
Kobe would've killed without Shaq.
I remember in 2002, Shaq misses a game...Kobe scores 56 in 3..
In 2003, he was pretty much averaging a triple double or close to it without Shaq.
The real question is, what if the Sixers had drafted Kobe in 1996? I mean, he was breaking Wilt Chamberlain records in their backyard, yet, they thought drafting AI would further their interest.
Would a Kobe led 76ers team with Mutombo as the starting center beat Shaq's Lakers?
Shaq would win a few more titles consecutively with Phil, and talents like Bynum will developed and shined. Lakers will always remain competitive and good free agents keep coming.
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me
Not sure how to put this in a civil and respectful way...but thats the dumbest thing I've read in a very long time here. And I apologize if it offends u, u are entitled to ur opinion but thats the argument Kobe haters used before he won his titles without Shaq..
By winning without Shaq, he shut em up forever.
He is not a TMac, AI, whatever. He is Jordan/LeBron level. More dominant than both as a scorer though.
Kobe would've killed without Shaq.
I remember in 2002, Shaq misses a game...Kobe scores 56 in 3..
In 2003, he was pretty much averaging a triple double or close to it without Shaq.
Kobe needed Phil. Not Shaq. Shaq held Kobe back.
Shaq and Kobe sold themselves short. Maybe they were going after MJ's title count, when they had the youth and momentum to challenge Bill Russell's title count.
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me
That is ridiculous. Hasn't Kobe proved that he could win without shaq? Are you really discounting the 2009/2010 championships? Come on now.
Shaq would win a few more titles consecutively with Phil, and talents like Bynum will developed and shined. Lakers will always remain competitive and good free agents keep coming.
A crappy team with an aging superstar with 2 years left in him. Nobody joined MJ in WAS, why would anyone want to join Kobe?
I'm sure he entertained the idea, but when it came down to serious contract negotiations, he wanted to stay in LA, which is why only the Clippers and Lakers were serious contenders at the time. With the Lakers offering the most money at the time, it was a no brainer.
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me
Not sure how to put this in a civil and respectful way...but thats the dumbest thing I've read in a very long time here. And I apologize if it offends u, u are entitled to ur opinion but thats the argument Kobe haters used before he won his titles without Shaq..
By winning without Shaq, he shut em up forever.
He is not a TMac, AI, whatever. He is Jordan/LeBron level. More dominant than both as a scorer though.
Kobe would've killed without Shaq.
I remember in 2002, Shaq misses a game...Kobe scores 56 in 3..
In 2003, he was pretty much averaging a triple double or close to it without Shaq.
Kobe needed Phil. Not Shaq. Shaq held Kobe back.
When Robin left Batman, Robin still Robin. Shaq is Unique and irreplaceable while D wade, T mac, Carmelo, Lebron, Harden, many many players who can replace Kobe and have similar production.
Wow, Kobe considered going to a number of different teams during his free agency. Truly unheard of.
Yep, shocking, players would actually consider multiple teams to put their name out there so they can be wooed, wined and dined and feel wanted...what a concept.
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:32 pm Post subject:
Travers wrote:
LakersNewEra wrote:
15 wrote:
LakersNewEra wrote:
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me
Not sure how to put this in a civil and respectful way...but thats the dumbest thing I've read in a very long time here. And I apologize if it offends u, u are entitled to ur opinion but thats the argument Kobe haters used before he won his titles without Shaq..
By winning without Shaq, he shut em up forever.
He is not a TMac, AI, whatever. He is Jordan/LeBron level. More dominant than both as a scorer though.
Kobe would've killed without Shaq.
I remember in 2002, Shaq misses a game...Kobe scores 56 in 3..
In 2003, he was pretty much averaging a triple double or close to it without Shaq.
Kobe needed Phil. Not Shaq. Shaq held Kobe back.
When Robin left Batman, Robin still Robin. Shaq is Unique and irreplaceable while D wade, T mac, Carmelo, Lebron, Harden, many many players who can replace Kobe and have similar production.
Are u kidding me? Kobe is not a freaking Robin. He is a Batman who played a 2nd fiddle to another Batman.
That argument is lame btw. Shaq had NVE and Eddie Jones, didnt win.
Not taking anything from Shaq, he would still win without Kobe but Kobe would also win without Shaq, not even taking into account that he did win without Shaq...
Im talking about the time period of the early 00's...just like Kobe and Pau won a few yeaes later, they would also win in the early 00's..
Never understood why the argument in these scenarios is always that Shaq could win with other swingmen but its never that Kobe could win with other big men...as he did later on.
IMO...from 00 to 05, both players would win at least one title without each other provided they had a good supporting cast and a good 'Robin', of course.
Last edited by LakersNewEra on Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:34 pm; edited 1 time in total
Even though Kobe is an all time great, I do feel his career legacy actually suffered from playing with Shaq.
Without Shaq, his scoring records would be ridiculous. Im not even sure 81 would be his career high. At the very least, Im pretty sure he'd have at least 5 70 point games which isnt really a longshot, he scored over 55 in 3 quarters a few times in his life.
I still think he would get his championships, 4 at least.
All time great for sure...but should've even been greater IMO.
I do think he needed Phil though...much more than Shaq.
lmao at this. kobe would be like carmelo/ai/tmac/or gilbert withotu shaq. are you kidding me
Not sure how to put this in a civil and respectful way...but thats the dumbest thing I've read in a very long time here. And I apologize if it offends u, u are entitled to ur opinion but thats the argument Kobe haters used before he won his titles without Shaq..
By winning without Shaq, he shut em up forever.
He is not a TMac, AI, whatever. He is Jordan/LeBron level. More dominant than both as a scorer though.
Kobe would've killed without Shaq.
I remember in 2002, Shaq misses a game...Kobe scores 56 in 3..
In 2003, he was pretty much averaging a triple double or close to it without Shaq.
Kobe needed Phil. Not Shaq. Shaq held Kobe back.
When Robin left Batman, Robin still Robin. Shaq is Unique and irreplaceable while D wade, T mac, Carmelo, Lebron, Harden, many many players who can replace Kobe and have similar production.
Are u kidding me? Kobe is not a freaking Robin. He is a Batman who played a 2nd fiddle to another Batman.
That argument is lame btw. Shaq had NVE and Eddie Jones, didnt win.
Not taking anything from Shaq, he would still win without Kobe but Kobe would also win without Shaq, not even taking into account that he did win without Shaq...
Im talking about the time period of the early 00's...just like Kobe and Pau won a few yeaes later, they would also win in the early 00's..
Never understood why the argument in these scenarios is always that Shaq could win with other swingmen but its never that Kobe could win with other big men...as he did later on.
The poster you decided to respond to is just trolling to get a rise out of people....using worn out cliches to get a rise out of longtime Laker fans.
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