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Jordan-esque
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 Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: Ireland: "Lakers showcasing Jordan Hill for Trade" - (BKN first round pick? - p.19) |
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http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?id=12232439
@11:00 minute mark.
| Quote: | | "The Lakers are going young. This is exactly what you (a member of team tank) would want. Just looking at the starting line-up, doesn't this give you the best chance of the team not winning? Clarkson and Ellington in the back court, Sacre at center, Kelly at the three, and Jordan Hill at the four... and Jordan Hill you would think is the prime candidate to be traded. The reason they are playing him is to showcase him. He has a very friendly contract with a team option at the end. So any contenders that trade for him gets a favorable deal this year, and if you want to bring him back, $9 million in the NBA is not the end of the world." |
It's John Ireland but it makes for good trade scenarios!
Plus Ireland, gasp, now sounds open to, gasp... 
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KeepItRealOrElse
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank.
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marga86
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| lol^ |
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tlim
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| It had to happen sooner or later. So early in the season, and everyone is already giving up... |
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| About damn time! |
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misterrunon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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jordan hill for chuck hayes + torono's 2nd rounder? the raptors do seemingly need size.
andre miller + dejuan blair + 2nd rounder for jordan hill?
i don't think there are many potential destinations for jordan.
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dmorans1
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Hopefully we can get a couple of picks for Hill and Lin. Having 6 picks in one draft could be huge. |
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KeepItRealOrElse
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The Nuggets could use J.Hill. Hill is much more of a Center than JJ Hickson, their current backup |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| tlim wrote: | | It had to happen sooner or later. So early in the season, and everyone is already giving up... |
Early? Were are already past the halfway point in the season. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank. |
I certainly hope that's the case. |
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Don Draper
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Get rid of him. Picks or young guys with potential please.
What about OKC? They need big men and they are loaded with guys we could use who they never play, like Lamb and Perry Jones. |
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misterrunon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | The Nuggets could use J.Hill. Hill is much more of a Center than JJ Hickson, their current backup |
if they really wanted to fill that spot, they wouldn't have traded mozgov away. |
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PICKnPOP
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mitch just lost his daughter. Would anybody really be surprised if we didn't make any trades before the deadline? |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | mitch just lost his daughter. Would anybody really be surprised if we didn't make any trades before the deadline? |
Mitch was with Kobe at the Shoulder doctor. He took a leave of absence and now he's back |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank. |
I don't think getting rid of Hill really moves the needle much in the tankathon. If anything, it finally gets him out of the way so that the wings and guards can finally get into the paint without having to kick back out to him for the 21 footer. The real reason to deal him is to get a team desperate for size and depth to give up an asset. If they believe the tanking excuse, all the better. |
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iggypop123
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seems like speculation to me. trying to figure out the reasoning for scotts basketball decisions is a waste of time. he really has no clue what he's doing.
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I never thought Hills contract was that trade friendly |
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ISOM
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank. |
I don't think getting rid of Hill really moves the needle much in the tankathon. If anything, it finally gets him out of the way so that the wings and guards can finally get into the paint without having to kick back out to him for the 21 footer. The real reason to deal him is to get a team desperate for size and depth to give up an asset. If they believe the tanking excuse, all the better. |
Jordan Hill doesn't camp in the paint. He gets most of his points on the perimeter. So guards not penetrating is really a fault of their skills not Jordan Hill. And honestly there have been many games where his scoring on the perimeter has kept the lakers from getting blown out. He needs to be traded because I am afraid he will fluke us some wins. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't really see a market out there for Lin or Hill right now without taking a bad contract back. |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ISOM wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank. |
I don't think getting rid of Hill really moves the needle much in the tankathon. If anything, it finally gets him out of the way so that the wings and guards can finally get into the paint without having to kick back out to him for the 21 footer. The real reason to deal him is to get a team desperate for size and depth to give up an asset. If they believe the tanking excuse, all the better. |
Jordan Hill doesn't camp in the paint. He gets most of his points on the perimeter. So guards not penetrating is really a fault of their skills not Jordan Hill. And honestly there have been many games where his scoring on the perimeter has kept the lakers from getting blown out. He needs to be traded because I am afraid he will fluke us some wins. |
You don't understand. He's on the perimeter, but his man's in the paint. Why do you think he's always open?
Something similar was going on with the 2013 Suns:
| Quote: | | One adjustment Hornacek discussed was how when looking at the Suns' dreadful offense in 2013 (Phoenix ranked 29th in points per possession via Basketball-Reference.com), the coaching staff could see that the power forwards were clogged at the elbow, preventing Dragic and the other point guards from attacking. So immediately the staff set to work in moving Markieff Morris, the surprising young star for the team, down low. The result has been better work on the offensive glass, more efficiency from Morris, and more room for Dragic and Bledsoe to create. |
I would add, it's not just the perimeter players that he gets in the way of, but also the roll men.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | ISOM wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank. |
I don't think getting rid of Hill really moves the needle much in the tankathon. If anything, it finally gets him out of the way so that the wings and guards can finally get into the paint without having to kick back out to him for the 21 footer. The real reason to deal him is to get a team desperate for size and depth to give up an asset. If they believe the tanking excuse, all the better. |
Jordan Hill doesn't camp in the paint. He gets most of his points on the perimeter. So guards not penetrating is really a fault of their skills not Jordan Hill. And honestly there have been many games where his scoring on the perimeter has kept the lakers from getting blown out. He needs to be traded because I am afraid he will fluke us some wins. |
You don't understand. He's on the perimeter, but his man's in the paint. Why do you think he's always open?
Something similar was going on with the 2013 Suns:
| Quote: | | One adjustment Hornacek discussed was how when looking at the Suns' dreadful offense in 2013 (Phoenix ranked 29th in points per possession via Basketball-Reference.com), the coaching staff could see that the power forwards were clogged at the elbow, preventing Dragic and the other point guards from attacking. So immediately the staff set to work in moving Markieff Morris, the surprising young star for the team, down low. The result has been better work on the offensive glass, more efficiency from Morris, and more room for Dragic and Bledsoe to create. |
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I see what you're saying, and I see it happen nearly every play. A guard calls for a pick, Hill saunters up, sets what can best be described as a transparent/weightless screen, and proceeds to float to the top of the key with the guard either doubled or unable to drive into a clogged paint, forced to pass it out to Hill for a low percentage 2 point shot.
You can get away with that if you are Dirk or LMA. Not if you're Jordan Hill. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I like hill, but he's just an energy guy. If it means picks, then trade him.
Lin, hill and maybe Ellington as a throw in, can maybe get us a pick. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| And if this doesnt happen, are they going to send Ireland and his drive in movie theater forehead to the same witness protection program where they sent jack haley? Can Haley come back now? He was right eventually. Boozer is a Laker. COME ON Lakers, bring him back. |
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ISOM
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | ISOM wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Both Lakers mouthpieces have finally spoken. Lakers officially embracing the tank. |
I don't think getting rid of Hill really moves the needle much in the tankathon. If anything, it finally gets him out of the way so that the wings and guards can finally get into the paint without having to kick back out to him for the 21 footer. The real reason to deal him is to get a team desperate for size and depth to give up an asset. If they believe the tanking excuse, all the better. |
Jordan Hill doesn't camp in the paint. He gets most of his points on the perimeter. So guards not penetrating is really a fault of their skills not Jordan Hill. And honestly there have been many games where his scoring on the perimeter has kept the lakers from getting blown out. He needs to be traded because I am afraid he will fluke us some wins. |
You don't understand. He's on the perimeter, but his man's in the paint. Why do you think he's always open?
Something similar was going on with the 2013 Suns:
| Quote: | | One adjustment Hornacek discussed was how when looking at the Suns' dreadful offense in 2013 (Phoenix ranked 29th in points per possession via Basketball-Reference.com), the coaching staff could see that the power forwards were clogged at the elbow, preventing Dragic and the other point guards from attacking. So immediately the staff set to work in moving Markieff Morris, the surprising young star for the team, down low. The result has been better work on the offensive glass, more efficiency from Morris, and more room for Dragic and Bledsoe to create. |
I would add, it's not just the perimeter players that he gets in the way of, but also the roll men. |
And what I'm saying is that Hill has actually been making them pay. He has been scoring from the perimeter at a decent clip for the past couple of weeks now. |
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