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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:51 am Post subject: |
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It's too bad Byron's system actually ruins a player's strengths. |
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Shaber Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Lakers2001 wrote: | Its the guys like this the FO has over the years dropped the ball on. The key role players KEEEP them. When you Bulid a contender he will be a key part of it.
But every summer Mitch and Jim allow these guys to leave. |
Ellington replaced Meeks. Meeks was a Laker for several seasons. He grew out of our salary options. He was replaced with a similar, but cheaper (and obviously a bit less productive) player.
I see nothing that the FO did wrong in filling the position of a 3-pt shooting specialist. _________________ .
Lakers depth chart
PG Johnson / Goodrich
SG Bryant / West / Scott
SF Baylor / Worthy / Cooper
PF Mikkelsen / Hairston / McAdoo / Gasol
C Chamberlain / Abdul-Jabbar / O'Neal / Mikan |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:02 am Post subject: |
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s_habe wrote: | Lakers2001 wrote: | Its the guys like this the FO has over the years dropped the ball on. The key role players KEEEP them. When you Bulid a contender he will be a key part of it.
But every summer Mitch and Jim allow these guys to leave. |
Ellington replaced Meeks. Meeks was a Laker for several seasons. He grew out of our salary options. He was replaced with a similar, but cheaper (and obviously a bit less productive) player.
I see nothing that the FO did wrong in filling the position of a 3-pt shooting specialist. |
Our FO seems to like putting the cart before the horse, in that they want to get a superstar before constructing a team. Thus, why they don't give out long term contracts to potential roleplayers and why our team has consisted of busts and 1 year contracts for two years now. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:04 am Post subject: |
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"Wellington" is developing into a pretty decent role player w/ a future. |
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LakerDYnasty72 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Ellington's development as an all star 3 point shooter the silver lining of the season. |
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Jeggs wrote: | Watching Ellington blossom into a deadly three point shooter has been nice to watch. He has signifivpcantly elevated his game this season and has shown why he is one of the deadliest shooters in the NBA. Despite the bad season I think he is the silver lining amidst all the injuries and disappointments of the season.
I worry however if we are going to be able to hold on to this guy. Many teams have noticed him and he is obviously in the scouting reports as a guy you cannot give an inch of space to. Hopefully we will not have to pay him over 6 mill next season. |
An all star 3 point shooter? With all due respect you've shown us how low we've sunk. Ellington & the rest of the roster except Kobe are reserves...and that includes Randle until he "blossoms". |
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bws94 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I think he does more than spot-up shooting. He doesn't do a bad job handling the ball and making passes and plays within the flow of the offense. He's OK defensively on some guys too. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers2001 wrote: | Its the guys like this the FO has over the years dropped the ball on. The key role players KEEEP them. When you Bulid a contender he will be a key part of it.
But every summer Mitch and Jim allow these guys to leave. |
I can't argue with most of their choices, personally. Can't say I'd be salivating to have Jodie Meeks back at $6 million a year or |
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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Ellington's development as an all star 3 point shooter the silver lining of the season. |
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misterrunon wrote: | watchME wrote: | activeverb wrote: | Jeggs wrote: | Watching Ellington blossom into a deadly three point shooter has been nice to watch. He has signifivpcantly elevated his game this season and has shown why he is one of the deadliest shooters in the NBA. Despite the bad season I think he is the silver lining amidst all the injuries and disappointments of the season.
I worry however if we are going to be able to hold on to this guy. Many teams have noticed him and he is obviously in the scouting reports as a guy you cannot give an inch of space to. Hopefully we will not have to pay him over 6 mill next season. |
Yeah, amazing how he "blossomed" from a guy who shot 42.4% from 3-point land last year to 40.9% this year. And I love how he "significantly elevated" his game from a career 7-2-1 guy to an 8-3-1 guy this this year.
Who could have predicted an improvement of 0.8 ppg and 0.9 rpg above his career average? Breakout year, to be sure.
He may be the new Bill Russell. | not a fan of ellington, but you are just looking at numbers, what about the affect he brings with his range. Thats -1 defender inside the painted area where everyone wants to go. So the question is: can ellington be consistent enough with his role of spreading the court, if he does, he could be important. |
if a player significantly improves, so will his numbers AND playing time. he wouldn't be getting only 20 minutes per game on a bottom feeding team. if you want to talk about significant improvement, perhaps more than the stats show, look at jodie meeks after we signed him. |
he is simply a solid player that you cannot cheat off of to guard someone else. that is valuable. he is in the same category of ray allen and reggie miller type of players....and those guys are hof. if we can sign ellington for 3 years for cheap...say 5 million for 3 years...that would be awesome.
He reminds of nick anderson if anyone remembers him.
We need to cut these big over bloated contracts like Lin, Boozer, and Jordan Hill I think. Ellington I hope we hold on to. |
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marga86 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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this is what our season has come to..
ellingtons "development"
god please, help us. |
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nevitt_smrek Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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He's been one of the few bright spots in a forgettable season. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0 |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Career high tonight |
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Sting Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:01 am Post subject: |
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ellington is the meeks. we need to trade him for a pick. no way we keep him |
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Lakers2001 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | s_habe wrote: | Lakers2001 wrote: | Its the guys like this the FO has over the years dropped the ball on. The key role players KEEEP them. When you Bulid a contender he will be a key part of it.
But every summer Mitch and Jim allow these guys to leave. |
Ellington replaced Meeks. Meeks was a Laker for several seasons. He grew out of our salary options. He was replaced with a similar, but cheaper (and obviously a bit less productive) player.
I see nothing that the FO did wrong in filling the position of a 3-pt shooting specialist. |
Our FO seems to like putting the cart before the horse, in that they want to get a superstar before constructing a team. Thus, why they don't give out long term contracts to potential roleplayers and why our team has consisted of busts and 1 year contracts for two years now. |
My point. One day when we have the stars for a championship team we will need guys like him.
Remember that supposed super team ( Kobe,Dwight, Nash)? The one thing they didnt have was a decent bench had it worked out and had they hired Phil still not sure they would have been contending. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:50 am Post subject: |
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28 pts!
Wayne played his best game as a Laker last night. If he keeps it up he could become a valuable asset to the team. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Wayne would be a solid SG backup next season. Good character, hard worker (I'm also a big UNC fan so there's that). I wouldn't put the price to be very high for him, somewhere above $2m. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakurluv Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Way to go Wayne! This guy has been bringing it all year with inconsistent minutes, he's still been productive. He's been a joy to root for and watch in the Lakers lineup. I hope we keep he. He's solid off the bench and would be a good player to have!
Good job on your career night! |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:04 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Wayne would be a solid SG backup next season. Good character, hard worker (I'm also a big UNC fan so there's that). I wouldn't put the price to be very high for him, somewhere above $2m. |
That's sounds about right.
I'm sure he would rather stay here where he is a least familiar & comfortable with the players, coaches & FO. Changing teams brings on uncertainty unless the $$ add up.
I believe that he'll be back next season. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Wayne would be a solid SG backup next season. Good character, hard worker (I'm also a big UNC fan so there's that). I wouldn't put the price to be very high for him, somewhere above $2m. |
That's sounds about right.
I'm sure he would rather stay here where he is a least familiar & comfortable with the players, coaches & FO. Changing teams brings on uncertainty unless the $$ add up.
I believe that he'll be back next season. |
Agreed. After Davis, he's the guy I most want back of our current UFAs. Give him part of the room exception |
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Boybees Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Ellington's development as an all star 3 point shooter the silver lining of the season. |
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Jeggs wrote: | Watching Ellington blossom into a deadly three point shooter has been nice to watch. He has signifivpcantly elevated his game this season and has shown why he is one of the deadliest shooters in the NBA. Despite the bad season I think he is the silver lining amidst all the injuries and disappointments of the season.
I worry however if we are going to be able to hold on to this guy. Many teams have noticed him and he is obviously in the scouting reports as a guy you cannot give an inch of space to. Hopefully we will not have to pay him over 6 mill next season. |
Playing on a terrible team can make a journeyman player look much better than he actually is. Don't get your hopes up too high. _________________ Jerry Buss made the Lakers into the crown jewel of the NBA. |
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Sting Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:41 am Post subject: |
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If he keeps playing like this. He will get the mid level exception |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:52 am Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Wayne would be a solid SG backup next season. Good character, hard worker (I'm also a big UNC fan so there's that). I wouldn't put the price to be very high for him, somewhere above $2m. |
That's sounds about right.
I'm sure he would rather stay here where he is a least familiar & comfortable with the players, coaches & FO. Changing teams brings on uncertainty unless the $$ add up.
I believe that he'll be back next season. |
And I was called looney for wanting to use the room exception on him _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:08 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Wayne would be a solid SG backup next season. Good character, hard worker (I'm also a big UNC fan so there's that). I wouldn't put the price to be very high for him, somewhere above $2m. |
That was also said about meeks, until somebody gave him that contract. Good for meeks but he's not in the same class as Crawford. If Ellington gets 15 ppg for the rest of the season, someone will give him the MLE and the Lakers won't make an offer and let him go like the farm club that they've become.
So the question is, Based on the price you want him for, do you want him to ball or be sporadic like he has been in his career. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:16 am Post subject: |
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DimesnD wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Wayne would be a solid SG backup next season. Good character, hard worker (I'm also a big UNC fan so there's that). I wouldn't put the price to be very high for him, somewhere above $2m. |
That was also said about meeks, until somebody gave him that contract. Good for meeks but he's not in the same class as Crawford. If Ellington gets 15 ppg for the rest of the season, someone will give him the MLE and the Lakers won't make an offer and let him go like the farm club that they've become.
So the question is, Based on the price you want him for, do you want him to ball or be sporadic like he has been in his career. |
No, room exception is the most I'd offer. He is what he is at this point, a very serviceable 3rd/4th guard off the bench. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:22 am Post subject: |
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lakurluv wrote: | Way to go Wayne! This guy has been bringing it all year with inconsistent minutes, he's still been productive. He's been a joy to root for and watch in the Lakers lineup. I hope we keep he. He's solid off the bench and would be a good player to have!
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Lakers#1Team wrote: | lakurluv wrote: | Way to go Wayne! This guy has been bringing it all year with inconsistent minutes, he's still been productive. He's been a joy to root for and watch in the Lakers lineup. I hope we keep he. He's solid off the bench and would be a good player to have!
Good job on your career night! | |
I can't imagine enduring a traumatic thing like his father being murdered and being so professional. Speaks a lot to his character and work ethic. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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