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| Yong wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | daygoboy6191 wrote: | I would love for us to land Deandre Jordan and Jimmy Butler in FA, and drafting D'Angelo Russel if we are picking 4-5 would make a great team for the long term. D'Angelo Russell would come into the league with elite passing abilities, but drafting him we need to hope we could land some big name FA especially a rim protector.
The exciting thing is we could make this team very good this off-season, but we really have to land a big time FA or 2 this off-season.
Ideal situation IMO.
PG D'Angelo Russell/ Jordan Clarkson
SG Kobe Bryant/ Jordan Clarkson/ Nick Young
SF Jimmy Butler/ Nick Young
PF Julius Randle
C Deandre Jordan |
We don't have the capspace. We have 25mil or maybe less. Yes that has been confirmed here many times. |
thats deandre + harris, or butler + asik
either way i will be stoked. |
Folks if we have a top 3 pick we will only have around 21-23m total in cap space. Basically enough for one max player and a smaller 3-5m deal.
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Towns showed a little sumthin,sumthin last night.
Stepping up in a big time game, with immense presure shows a lot.
Not only from a skills standpoint, but also a mental toughness standpoint.
Looking forward to seeing what he does vs. Wisconsin.
Before last night's game I really couldnt see why people would pick him over Okafor but like I said, he showed me a little sumthin, sumthin last night.
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| Yong wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | daygoboy6191 wrote: | I would love for us to land Deandre Jordan and Jimmy Butler in FA, and drafting D'Angelo Russel if we are picking 4-5 would make a great team for the long term. D'Angelo Russell would come into the league with elite passing abilities, but drafting him we need to hope we could land some big name FA especially a rim protector.
The exciting thing is we could make this team very good this off-season, but we really have to land a big time FA or 2 this off-season.
Ideal situation IMO.
PG D'Angelo Russell/ Jordan Clarkson
SG Kobe Bryant/ Jordan Clarkson/ Nick Young
SF Jimmy Butler/ Nick Young
PF Julius Randle
C Deandre Jordan |
We don't have the capspace. We have 25mil or maybe less. Yes that has been confirmed here many times. |
thats deandre + harris, or butler + asik
either way i will be stoked. |
Yeah neither of those options will happen unless dj and ask want to play for half of their market value. |
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| Yong wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | daygoboy6191 wrote: | I would love for us to land Deandre Jordan and Jimmy Butler in FA, and drafting D'Angelo Russel if we are picking 4-5 would make a great team for the long term. D'Angelo Russell would come into the league with elite passing abilities, but drafting him we need to hope we could land some big name FA especially a rim protector.
The exciting thing is we could make this team very good this off-season, but we really have to land a big time FA or 2 this off-season.
Ideal situation IMO.
PG D'Angelo Russell/ Jordan Clarkson
SG Kobe Bryant/ Jordan Clarkson/ Nick Young
SF Jimmy Butler/ Nick Young
PF Julius Randle
C Deandre Jordan |
We don't have the capspace. We have 25mil or maybe less. Yes that has been confirmed here many times. |
thats deandre + harris, or butler + asik
either way i will be stoked. |
dj is max and Harris will be more than 8, probly 12-14
And butler is restricted its just not guna happen
Yes I like pooing on FreeAgent dreams. Free agency just always turns out way overrated for us, and for most teams actually |
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Year_One
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | daygoboy6191 wrote: | I would love for us to land Deandre Jordan and Jimmy Butler in FA, and drafting D'Angelo Russel if we are picking 4-5 would make a great team for the long term. D'Angelo Russell would come into the league with elite passing abilities, but drafting him we need to hope we could land some big name FA especially a rim protector.
The exciting thing is we could make this team very good this off-season, but we really have to land a big time FA or 2 this off-season.
Ideal situation IMO.
PG D'Angelo Russell/ Jordan Clarkson
SG Kobe Bryant/ Jordan Clarkson/ Nick Young
SF Jimmy Butler/ Nick Young
PF Julius Randle
C Deandre Jordan |
We don't have the capspace. We have 25mil or maybe less. Yes that has been confirmed here many times. |
thats deandre + harris, or butler + asik
either way i will be stoked. |
dj is max and Harris will be more than 8, probly 12-14
And butler is restricted its just not guna happen
Yes I like pooing on FreeAgent dreams. Free agency just always turns out way overrated for us, and for most teams actually |
Geez Mr negative here. Guess I won't tel you my plan to get dj, butler, and dragic while still being able to sign LaMarcus at the minimum. And of course then trading our HOU pick for Wiggins |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Fwiw
@chadfordinsider: This --> RT @SynergySST: Willie Cauley-Stein is allowing only 21% shooting defending in one-on-one situations on the perimeter this season |
I wonder how this compares to the rest of college.
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| Tony Anapolis wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | The tough task of having to decide between Oak and Towns is a pretty good problem to have. LOL! Personally, I'd go with Jahlil. He has a stronger base, better low post game, giant hands. Towns looks a little flimsy, and I'm curious if he can back down bigger pros. The defense tonight was really easy for him. Pass it out or jump hook, there was never a time where he had to go to a counter move, so we never saw much footwork. But I'm just nitpicking between the best of the best. |
I'd be ecstatic with either one. |
After getting to see alot more of these guys I'd be happy with Winslow. Okafor/Towns/Russell/Winslow all have special potential to me.
Thinking about Winslow, it's like why waste time going after Butler or Leonard? Just draft Winslow, problem solved. |
Bro, if either Towns or Oakfor could top out in their first couple years at the level of 2007-08 Big Boii Drew (up to 1/13/08, landing on Lamar's foot), we'd be good as glass. The young, thinner, friskier, MUCH more mobile Big Boii version of Drew was very utilizable. I got a bunch of those early 2007/8 gms and it's a damn shame that a misplaced foot from a Skittles-loving teammate who once dribbled the ball inbounds derailed that Drew. What I'm saying is that even that version of Drew wasn't a world beater, but he was good enough for that roster to begin to look like a 2nd seed or so even before Gastrong came along. If we got either of those bigguns, things would start to look less suicidal around town. I just hope if we somehow do nab Oak that they don't encourage him to bulk up and become a plodder like the lesser version of Drew.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Tony Anapolis wrote: | Truth be told if the draft ends up: NY/PHI/LA 1,2,3 and Okafor goes first Russell goes second.
If I was Mitch I would have to think long and hard over Towns/Winslow. I know I am in the minority on this but honest to god truth. |
They'd go Towns there. |
I will be shocked if Towns is available with the third pick. Can easily see him going first.
Whoever gets the #1 is going to have a tough choice between him and Okafor. Both very good players. |
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Okafor's biggest weakness IMO is defending without fouling.
Duke can't afford for Okafor to get in foul trouble ANY game...if they want to win. So that makes Okafor's defense even worse. That's why some people say he is lazy. In truth, he's scared to body up someone a little to much on a drive and he doesn't defend with his hands straight up in the air often/well. He'll need to work on that moving forward. Dropping a couple lbs will help him with that.
Towns has the luxury of playing on the tallest and deepest teams in NCAA. There have been games, before and during the tournament, where he's been outplayed by another big (be it Lyles or WCS). Some games he has a minimal impact. I'll admit Calipari has a tight leash on minutes. With the role he has now, Towns hasn't shown me he could thrive and be consistent if he had somewhere close to the same responsibilities Okafor has in Duke.
Last Duke game Okafor was doubled immediately every time he touched the ball. He received around 10-15 double teams and he successfully initiated the offense with his post passing. I don't know how Towns would perform in that type of situation. I've seen him be doubled in the post before, but not as a first option in the offense, and not all game long.
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| Megaton wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | 1. Jahill Okafor
2. Karl Anthony Towns
3. Deangelo Russell
4. Justise Winslow
5. Willie Cauley-Stein
Winslow just downright impressive. 4th pick wouldn't look so bad after all. |
I'd switch #4 and #5, only because WCS can have more impact on a game than Winslow. |
I don't know about that. We can always find a player who can defend and rebound like WCS too in FA. There are so many centers like that today it's not even funny.
Lakers on the other hand haven't had a really good SF in a long while. I'm talking better than Ariza good. |
There are PLENTY of wings out there. Not that many defensive impact Cs that are elite athletes.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | | Winslow is getting some pretty big hype aroun here! Not sold on his jump shot yet. To me, it seems like he tends to release it on his way down at times. So there's timing issues there but it's fixable. He's one of those picks that I would consider to be a "safe" pick. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if he was our choice, but I wouldn't be ecstatic either. I just think there are better options with a top 5 pick. 6-10 though? Definitely. Same goes for WCS. |
LG falls in love with certiain players and everyone jumps on bandwagon Its normal. Winslow will be a stud imo but i think hes 5th or 6th best player in draft, and i think WCS is 8-10 range player. But hey combine and individual workouts coming up |
Tyson Chandler with a jumpshot is not an 8-10 range player |
hell be like marcus Camby who was a journey man. Taken #2 in his draft class (put up much better offensive numbers than WCS) yet 5-6 players that would be drafted before him if they re drafted that 96 class again. same thing that will happen with WCS |
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| Megaton wrote: | | Tony Anapolis wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | ^He looks awkward moving out there. It has nothing to do with being in the post. He moves like Bynum. |
And he is no where near as big as Bynum. Bynum at his slimmest was around 275-280. On draft night at 17, Bynum weighed in at 285. |
Incorrect. Andrew Bynum at his best weighed 280 pounds.
Andrew Bynum came to the league (2005) weighing 250 pounds.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Bynum-428/ |
False. Bynum was a big HS player. He had to train his tail off to lose the weight, gain conditioning, and gain explosiveness.
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Using Marcus Camby to prove WCS's lack of value is like using Exum to prove Mudiay's lack of value.
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| Something tells me that we're going to look back on this draft and wonder why WCS wasn't in the conversation for number 1 overall. I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a better athelete at 7ft. I can't wait to see his numbers athletically. When he stayed with grant on that final possession last night all I could think was how unfair it is to be that mobile at 7ft tall. Grant is a legit NBA athelete. |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | | Winslow is getting some pretty big hype aroun here! Not sold on his jump shot yet. To me, it seems like he tends to release it on his way down at times. So there's timing issues there but it's fixable. He's one of those picks that I would consider to be a "safe" pick. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if he was our choice, but I wouldn't be ecstatic either. I just think there are better options with a top 5 pick. 6-10 though? Definitely. Same goes for WCS. |
LG falls in love with certiain players and everyone jumps on bandwagon Its normal. Winslow will be a stud imo but i think hes 5th or 6th best player in draft, and i think WCS is 8-10 range player. But hey combine and individual workouts coming up |
Tyson Chandler with a jumpshot is not an 8-10 range player |
hell be like marcus Camby who was a journey man. Taken #2 in his draft class (put up much better offensive numbers than WCS) yet 5-6 players that would be drafted before him if they re drafted that 96 class again. same thing that will happen with WCS |
Yeah, compare a #1 option on Massachusetts vs. the McDonald's All American Team that has a defensive specialist.
Even Anthony Davis wasn't the leading scorer of his own team.
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Okafor's biggest weakness IMO is defending without fouling. |
That is an argument for Towns as well.
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | Something tells me that we're going to look back on this draft and wonder why WCS wasn't in the conversation for number 1 overall. I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a better athelete at 7ft. I can't wait to see his numbers athletically. When he stayed with grant on that final possession last night all I could think was how unfair it is to be that mobile at 7ft tall. Grant is a legit NBA athelete. |
The fact that you conceivably put him on Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, Melo, James Harden and probably even John Wall proves how valuable he is. A switch takes place off a PnR and you are actually in better position to defend the ball handler now because your 7 foot Center is better at defending the PG than your actual PG. People talk about not being able to defend PGs, well this is how you achieve it. I didn't mention some of the better PGs because the notion that a 7 footer can keep up with them is ridiculous, but I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised.
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I rank them like this..
1. RUSSELL
2. TOWNS
3. OKAFOR
4. CAULEY-STEIN
5. MUDIAY
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6. WINSLOW
7. STANLEY JOHNSON
I would consider taking WCS over Okafor at 3 if Russell/Towns were gone.
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| Okafor's biggest weakness imo is fire and intensity. I see it too often with his lack of hustle and willingness to challenge shots. |
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| allNet wrote: | | Okafor's biggest weakness imo is fire and intensity. I see it too often with his lack of hustle and willingness to challenge shots. |
I see so much 2011-2014 Pau in him on defense. It scares me.
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | allNet wrote: | | Okafor's biggest weakness imo is fire and intensity. I see it too often with his lack of hustle and willingness to challenge shots. |
I see so much 2011-2014 Pau in him on defense. It scares me. |
Exactly.
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| iimarshon wrote: | I rank them like this..
1. RUSSELL
2. TOWNS
3. OKAFOR
4. CAULEY-STEIN
5. MUDIAY
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6. WINSLOW
7. STANLEY JOHNSON
I would consider taking WCS over Okafor at 3 if Russell/Towns were gone. |
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Man, this draft is going to be wild!
Karl Anthony Towns has a nice foundation (NOT PHYSICAL-WISE. I KNOW PEOPLE LOVE TO FOCUS ON HIS BODY) in terms of offense / defense.
Jahlil Okafor is already a beast on offense. I wasn't a fan of him initially but I definitely see the appeal.
Both of them are someone you can legit build around.
Willie Cauley-Stein is a defensive specialist. A special type of player. His chase-down last night full-court was something you don't see very often in a player his size. Whether it was a product of his role.. you could flat out ignore him on offense if you wanted to. He has a jump-shot. But, is that it? Is he essentially a hyper-active Jordan Hill? |
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| kikanga wrote: | Okafor's biggest weakness IMO is defending without fouling.
Duke can't afford for Okafor to get in foul trouble ANY game...if they want to win. So that makes Okafor's defense even worse. That's why some people say he is lazy. In truth, he's scared to body up someone a little to much on a drive and he doesn't defend with his hands straight up in the air often/well. He'll need to work on that moving forward. Dropping a couple lbs will help him with that.
Towns has the luxury of playing on the tallest and deepest teams in NCAA. There have been games, before and during the tournament, where he's been outplayed by another big (be it Lyles or WCS). Some games he has a minimal impact. I'll admit Calipari has a tight leash on minutes. With the role he has now, Towns hasn't shown me he could thrive and be consistent if he had somewhere close to the same responsibilities Okafor has in Duke.
Last Duke game Okafor was doubled immediately every time he touched the ball. He received around 10-15 double teams and he successfully initiated the offense with his post passing. I don't know how Towns would perform in that type of situation. I've seen him be doubled in the post before, but not as a first option in the offense, and not all game long. |
Great post my Laker brother.
I agree with you. Okafor is just so polished, I am pretty sure he will go first but Towns certainly is no slouch either and will be a nice consoltation prize.
But Okafor has shown he can keep his cool and perform in money games, I am not as worried about his defense as others are.
I would be very happy if we got Okafor or Towns, but I think they will go 1-2 so that is going to take a little luck.
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| dmorans1 wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | I rank them like this..
1. RUSSELL
2. TOWNS
3. OKAFOR
4. CAULEY-STEIN
5. MUDIAY
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6. WINSLOW
7. STANLEY JOHNSON
I would consider taking WCS over Okafor at 3 if Russell/Towns were gone. |
Is this guy being serious? |
If WCS had what looked like an average offense game, it wouldn't be so crazy. I'm interested in his workouts. If he shows some consistency in a mid range game there, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in some people's top 3. |
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