***OFFICIAL LAKERS 2015 NBA DRAFT THREAD*** (No. 2 Russell, No. 27 Nance, No. 34 Brown: p.1661 - Upshaw signed for SL)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:01 pm    Post subject:

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A guy like Upshaw will kill it with DRuss throwing him lob after lob, and easy drop off after drop off. Make Upshaw's life simple.


i think working out with DRuss helped upshaw get the summer league contract


True. And getting easy buckets via DRuss in SPL will hopefully make him stay.


I would love to see some Russ/Upshaw plays. Would make the Lakers interested if they have very good chemistry together.
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It's the 4.5 blocks per game in under 30 minutes without the foul trouble.

Add that he has 19' range and a solid set of post skills too.

Really, lottery talent.


Mike, he does not have 19' range. Let's be real. He shoots an extremely flat ball and went 44% from the charity stripe.

Here's his shot chart to back me up: http://ncaa-basketball-players.pointafter.com/l/5713/Robert-Upshaw

I know you like Upshaw, but let's not give him credit for talents he does not possess.

Edit: Since the link isn't taking you directly to the chart, here it is: http://i.imgur.com/zCjltfb.png
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It's the 4.5 blocks per game in under 30 minutes without the foul trouble.

Add that he has 19' range and a solid set of post skills too.

Really, lottery talent.


Mike, he does not have 19' range. Let's be real. He shoots an extremely flat ball and went 44% from the charity stripe.

Here's his shot chart to back me up: http://ncaa-basketball-players.pointafter.com/l/5713/Robert-Upshaw

I know you like Upshaw, but let's not give him credit for talents he does not possess.


He was drilling them in the workout
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:34 pm    Post subject:

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I bet lakers let upshaw go and become another whitesisde....

It took Whiteside 4 years of abysmal failure - 2 of which he didn't even play - to finally stick somewhere. I doubt any team would hang on to an underperforming headcase for that long unless they absolutely had to (i.e., he's signed to a long term contract).

Even if he seems like he's getting his act together, the Lakers would be wise to take it a year at a time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:43 pm    Post subject:

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It's the 4.5 blocks per game in under 30 minutes without the foul trouble.

Add that he has 19' range and a solid set of post skills too.

Really, lottery talent.


Mike, he does not have 19' range. Let's be real. He shoots an extremely flat ball and went 44% from the charity stripe.

Here's his shot chart to back me up: http://ncaa-basketball-players.pointafter.com/l/5713/Robert-Upshaw

I know you like Upshaw, but let's not give him credit for talents he does not possess.


He was drilling them in the workout


Exactly.


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Mike@LG wrote:
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It's the 4.5 blocks per game in under 30 minutes without the foul trouble.

Add that he has 19' range and a solid set of post skills too.

Really, lottery talent.


Mike, he does not have 19' range. Let's be real. He shoots an extremely flat ball and went 44% from the charity stripe.

Here's his shot chart to back me up: http://ncaa-basketball-players.pointafter.com/l/5713/Robert-Upshaw

I know you like Upshaw, but let's not give him credit for talents he does not possess.


He was drilling them in the workout


Exactly.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Poe's law and all that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:46 pm    Post subject:



That's not sarcasm.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:48 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ee3-rkzEJo

That's not sarcasm.


That doesn't prove anything.



What you do in the game and what you do in shootarounds are two different things entirely.

Until he proves it in an actual game, his short chart indicates he has about 13 foot range AT BEST.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:50 pm    Post subject:

So clearly you have a different standard.

What you do in game is different from workouts?

Yeah, Karl Anthony Towns is proof. How many 3s did he take at Kentucky vs. workouts?

His jumpshots have good form and follow-through. More importantly, they look comfortable.
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Mike@LG wrote:
So clearly you have a different standard.

What you do in game is different from workouts?

Yeah, Karl Anthony Towns is proof. How many 3s did he take at Kentucky vs. workouts?

His jumpshots have good form and follow-through. More importantly, they look comfortable.

Don't even begin to compare KAT to Upshaw. Kat shoots 80% from the stripe. Upshaw shot a dismal 44%. KAT has a history of showing a great stroke in games. Upshaw's shot looks like this:


You can't say someone has 19' foot range when they didn't hit a single 19 footer the entire season. Hell, he didn't hit anything beyond the stripe.

I get that you're high on his potential, but until he proves otherwise, that's all it is. And an edited video where he hits four jumpers in an empty gym is not convincing me otherwise.
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Mike@LG wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ee3-rkzEJo

That's not sarcasm.


That doesn't prove anything.



What you do in the game and what you do in shootarounds are two different things entirely.

Until he proves it in an actual game, his short chart indicates he has about 13 foot range AT BEST.


Agreed. There are so many factors that go into being a good game shooter vs a good practice shooter. Plenty of NBA players can shoot lights out in warmups. Hell Dwight hits free throws at a high clip in an empty gym and I've even heard that Kwame used to knock down 3s in shoot around.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:15 pm    Post subject:

I don't trust Dwight's form. I used to trust Kwame's because he had 18' range out of HS, but lost it.

Feel free to disagree, but I think if a guy can comfortably show range from a specific area in practice, that's his range. How it's applied during game time? Different thing altogether.

But, you make it sound like he's a worst shooter than D12.

I think, he's mentally weak. Capable. Doesn't concentrate.

Andrew Bynum wasn't even showing that kind of range in practice. Brick city.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
I don't trust Dwight's form. I used to trust Kwame's because he had 18' range out of HS, but lost it.

Feel free to disagree, but I think if a guy can comfortably show range from a specific area in practice, that's his range. How it's applied during game time? Different thing altogether.

But, you make it sound like he's a worst shooter than D12.

I think, he's mentally weak. Capable. Doesn't concentrate.

Andrew Bynum wasn't even showing that kind of range in practice. Brick city.


Look at that form though!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Doing things in games has to do with confidence more than anything. He actually looks pretty comfortable shooting the ball and has good form. The rest is in between the ears

Someone made the comparison to Bynum, it's not a bad one but he actually has better fast-twitch fibers and moves a lot more fluidly. Bynum usually had to gather himself on the offensive end.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:20 pm    Post subject:

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I don't trust Dwight's form. I used to trust Kwame's because he had 18' range out of HS, but lost it.

Feel free to disagree, but I think if a guy can comfortably show range from a specific area in practice, that's his range. How it's applied during game time? Different thing altogether.

But, you make it sound like he's a worst shooter than D12.

I think, he's mentally weak. Capable. Doesn't concentrate.

Andrew Bynum wasn't even showing that kind of range in practice. Brick city.


Look at that form though!



That's my point. The form was good. The results, early on, weren't.

What happened? He got his range to 17' during games and was plenty capable at the FT line.

He even made a 3.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:24 pm    Post subject:

Heck even without the range, if the shot blocking translate to the next level, he is going to make a lot of money.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:30 pm    Post subject:

Form is one thing but so is confidence as others have mentioned. Another huge factor is fatigue. Can you maintain form and hit a tough shot when the team really NEEDS one, after banging in the paint with a 250 pound beast and running up and down the court filling lanes? It's almost like Blake Griffin in a sense. He's improved his shot tremendously but when it's the 4th quarter and he's worn down and it's all eyes on him to knockdown that ONE shot....he's still not that guy yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
It's the 4.5 blocks per game in under 30 minutes without the foul trouble.

Add that he has 19' range and a solid set of post skills too.

Really, lottery talent.


Mike,

How does Ups compared to Whiteside and WCS on D? Any insights?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject:

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Form is one thing but so is confidence as others have mentioned. Another huge factor is fatigue. Can you maintain form and hit a tough shot when the team really NEEDS one, after banging in the paint with a 250 pound beast and running up and down the court filling lanes? It's almost like Blake Griffin in a sense. He's improved his shot tremendously but when it's the 4th quarter and he's worn down and it's all eyes on him to knockdown that ONE shot....he's still not that guy yet.


He wasn't a great FT shooter when he started in the league either, but he worked on it.

With Upshaw, he has the foundation for a good jumper. Just needs reps and concentration at the line.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:25 pm    Post subject:

bonkers wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
I don't trust Dwight's form. I used to trust Kwame's because he had 18' range out of HS, but lost it.

Feel free to disagree, but I think if a guy can comfortably show range from a specific area in practice, that's his range. How it's applied during game time? Different thing altogether.

But, you make it sound like he's a worst shooter than D12.

I think, he's mentally weak. Capable. Doesn't concentrate.

Andrew Bynum wasn't even showing that kind of range in practice. Brick city.


Look at that form though!



Man, Mike Brown's twitch and spit into the cup is such a weird thing to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject:

Sorry if already discussed, but doesn't anyone know the max Upshaw can be offered?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:35 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Form is one thing but so is confidence as others have mentioned. Another huge factor is fatigue. Can you maintain form and hit a tough shot when the team really NEEDS one, after banging in the paint with a 250 pound beast and running up and down the court filling lanes? It's almost like Blake Griffin in a sense. He's improved his shot tremendously but when it's the 4th quarter and he's worn down and it's all eyes on him to knockdown that ONE shot....he's still not that guy yet.


He wasn't a great FT shooter when he started in the league either, but he worked on it.

With Upshaw, he has the foundation for a good jumper. Just needs reps and concentration at the line.


Even without the jumper if he can block shots it's ok for us. There are guys here that dream about DeAndre Jordan for the max and the guy only block shots and grab boards so I´m fine with Upshaw doing the same for the min.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Usually something a player can consistently do in a scrimmage, some someblence of that is guna translate into a game. Maybe he won't shoot them off the dribble in the game, and he won't hit the spot ups right away either, but give him a half a season worth of game reps on Js and he'll start hitting them. The form is nice, and consistent even on high difficulty shots.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:37 pm    Post subject:

Upshaw has some semblance of touch around the basket. He looks like a solid finisher particularly with his big hands.
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