If he's available with the Houston pick, I'd say do it. He's a great scorer, could easily be a 6th man off the bench stretch 5.
Unfortunately Kaminsky will be long gone by the time the Houston pick comes around.
Hope Clarkson drops multiple 20+ point games with 50+ FG%.
If so, trade him for the difference (Clarkson + Houston pick for lower lotto pick).
If Clarkson is doing that why would you want to trade a more established player for a possible project one (while also giving up another pick)? Clarkson is house money and the fact he's potentially locked into a cheap deal for the next few years is a plus.
Gotta give an asset to receive an asset.
We need a PG. And we need a center with height, bball iq, and floor spacing ability to complement Randle's slashing (kaminsky).
I'd rather cash in on Clarkson as an asset.
And who at the end of the lottery is better than Clarkson + Houston pick? I don't see it. I don't think Kaminsky is that. I think he will be a solid NBA player who plays 10 years, but as a bench reserve. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Yeah, I don't doubt Mudiay has physical skills. But when comparing him to Wall, is it modern day Wall or when he was in college?
I'm just curious about how he adapts to the NBA with a terrible jumper. Things we will see if we have a top 5 pick and work him out. I'm def not writing him off, just waiting to see him up close.
That is where skill level and coaching will render him impotent in the NBA. Coaches can scheme to keep him on the perimeter and he will be ineffective if he can't shoot. Unless he is lucky enough to go to a team with some top offensive options who will take some defensive pressure off of him. But those types of teams usually aren't in the lottery. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Yeah, I don't doubt Mudiay has physical skills. But when comparing him to Wall, is it modern day Wall or when he was in college?
I'm just curious about how he adapts to the NBA with a terrible jumper. Things we will see if we have a top 5 pick and work him out. I'm def not writing him off, just waiting to see him up close.
That is where skill level and coaching will render him impotent in the NBA. Coaches can scheme to keep him on the perimeter and he will be ineffective if he can't shoot. Unless he is lucky enough to go to a team with some top offensive options who will take some defensive pressure off of him. But those types of teams usually aren't in the lottery.
This is the problem I'm seeing with a player like Elfrid Payton. He's quick, strong and physical, but can't shoot. And it's really hurting his team. Now, can he improve his shot? Sure. But it's admittedly a major work in progress. These guys have succeeded for years at a lower level (high school, college) with these deficiencies but can't hide in today's NBA.
Rondo is another example but he was also surrounded by 3 HOF players and an excellent bench. His deficiencies hurt the team but he contributed in other ways. I just remember Kobe giving him 8 feet and daring him to shoot. Classic Kobe Jedi-mind tricks. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:56 am Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
pio2u wrote:
SemperMalum wrote:
If he's available with the Houston pick, I'd say do it. He's a great scorer, could easily be a 6th man off the bench stretch 5.
Unfortunately Kaminsky will be long gone by the time the Houston pick comes around.
Hope Clarkson drops multiple 20+ point games with 50+ FG%.
If so, trade him for the difference (Clarkson + Houston pick for lower lotto pick).
If Clarkson is doing that why would you want to trade a more established player for a possible project one (while also giving up another pick)? Clarkson is house money and the fact he's potentially locked into a cheap deal for the next few years is a plus.
Gotta give an asset to receive an asset.
We need a PG. And we need a center with height, bball iq, and floor spacing ability to complement Randle's slashing (kaminsky).
I'd rather cash in on Clarkson as an asset.
And who at the end of the lottery is better than Clarkson + Houston pick? I don't see it. I don't think Kaminsky is that. I think he will be a solid NBA player who plays 10 years, but as a bench reserve.
I would start Kaminsky at Center for us year 1. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
If he's available with the Houston pick, I'd say do it. He's a great scorer, could easily be a 6th man off the bench stretch 5.
Unfortunately Kaminsky will be long gone by the time the Houston pick comes around.
Hope Clarkson drops multiple 20+ point games with 50+ FG%.
If so, trade him for the difference (Clarkson + Houston pick for lower lotto pick).
If Clarkson is doing that why would you want to trade a more established player for a possible project one (while also giving up another pick)? Clarkson is house money and the fact he's potentially locked into a cheap deal for the next few years is a plus.
Gotta give an asset to receive an asset.
We need a PG. And we need a center with height, bball iq, and floor spacing ability to complement Randle's slashing (kaminsky).
I'd rather cash in on Clarkson as an asset.
And who at the end of the lottery is better than Clarkson + Houston pick? I don't see it. I don't think Kaminsky is that. I think he will be a solid NBA player who plays 10 years, but as a bench reserve.
I would start Kaminsky at Center for us year 1.
That doesn't mean much compared to our current starter Sacre. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Yeah, I don't doubt Mudiay has physical skills. But when comparing him to Wall, is it modern day Wall or when he was in college?
I'm just curious about how he adapts to the NBA with a terrible jumper. Things we will see if we have a top 5 pick and work him out. I'm def not writing him off, just waiting to see him up close.
That is where skill level and coaching will render him impotent in the NBA. Coaches can scheme to keep him on the perimeter and he will be ineffective if he can't shoot. Unless he is lucky enough to go to a team with some top offensive options who will take some defensive pressure off of him. But those types of teams usually aren't in the lottery.
This is the problem I'm seeing with a player like Elfrid Payton. He's quick, strong and physical, but can't shoot. And it's really hurting his team. Now, can he improve his shot? Sure. But it's admittedly a major work in progress. These guys have succeeded for years at a lower level (high school, college) with these deficiencies but can't hide in today's NBA.
Rondo is another example but he was also surrounded by 3 HOF players and an excellent bench. His deficiencies hurt the team but he contributed in other ways. I just remember Kobe giving him 8 feet and daring him to shoot. Classic Kobe Jedi-mind tricks.
Completely agreed. Just as the days of the back/basket low post dominant big are gone, so are the days of the "pure" pg. PGs need to be able to shoot. Otherwise their penetration game can be limited and schemed for.
bandiger wrote:
I'd stay away from Mudiay, his FT% alone scares me. Rather take a gamble on WCS or the euros.
Yeah, I don't doubt Mudiay has physical skills. But when comparing him to Wall, is it modern day Wall or when he was in college?
I'm just curious about how he adapts to the NBA with a terrible jumper. Things we will see if we have a top 5 pick and work him out. I'm def not writing him off, just waiting to see him up close.
That is where skill level and coaching will render him impotent in the NBA. Coaches can scheme to keep him on the perimeter and he will be ineffective if he can't shoot. Unless he is lucky enough to go to a team with some top offensive options who will take some defensive pressure off of him. But those types of teams usually aren't in the lottery.
This is the problem I'm seeing with a player like Elfrid Payton. He's quick, strong and physical, but can't shoot. And it's really hurting his team. Now, can he improve his shot? Sure. But it's admittedly a major work in progress. These guys have succeeded for years at a lower level (high school, college) with these deficiencies but can't hide in today's NBA.
Rondo is another example but he was also surrounded by 3 HOF players and an excellent bench. His deficiencies hurt the team but he contributed in other ways. I just remember Kobe giving him 8 feet and daring him to shoot. Classic Kobe Jedi-mind tricks.
I dont' think payton is anywhere as strong and physical as mudiay, and the biggest skill difference is that mudiay is a great finisher at the rim while payton is struggling in that area too.
you can be an effective nba pg (or even more than that - rondo for example) if you can't shoot (and hopefully that will change with time).
but if you can't shoot OR finish at the rim ?
you have ways to go.
not the situation with mudiay imo.
Yeah, I don't doubt Mudiay has physical skills. But when comparing him to Wall, is it modern day Wall or when he was in college?
I'm just curious about how he adapts to the NBA with a terrible jumper. Things we will see if we have a top 5 pick and work him out. I'm def not writing him off, just waiting to see him up close.
That is where skill level and coaching will render him impotent in the NBA. Coaches can scheme to keep him on the perimeter and he will be ineffective if he can't shoot. Unless he is lucky enough to go to a team with some top offensive options who will take some defensive pressure off of him. But those types of teams usually aren't in the lottery.
This is the problem I'm seeing with a player like Elfrid Payton. He's quick, strong and physical, but can't shoot. And it's really hurting his team. Now, can he improve his shot? Sure. But it's admittedly a major work in progress. These guys have succeeded for years at a lower level (high school, college) with these deficiencies but can't hide in today's NBA.
Rondo is another example but he was also surrounded by 3 HOF players and an excellent bench. His deficiencies hurt the team but he contributed in other ways. I just remember Kobe giving him 8 feet and daring him to shoot. Classic Kobe Jedi-mind tricks.
I dont' think payton is anywhere as strong and physical as mudiay, and the biggest skill difference is that mudiay is a great finisher at the rim while payton is struggling in that area too.
you can be an effective nba pg (or even more than that - rondo for example) if you can't shoot (and hopefully that will change with time).
but if you can't shoot OR finish at the rim ?
you have ways to go.
not the situation with mudiay imo.
At least for next year, Kobe/Mudiay spacing wise would be terrible. Including Randle/free agent big man too. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Who's the best comparison to Russell that played in the NBA? I can't think of any...
A taller Nick Van Exel but with better defense and just generally a lot better. Still, Nick was arguably the best point guard we have had the past 20 years.
I think the problem with this draft is there is a lot more potentially great players.. In the same token most of the top players could be bust in the terms of them being stars. There is no John Wall, or Andrew Wiggins, or Anthony Davis, guys you know are going to be good.
I would say Russell is most likely to succeed right away. His leadership and lack of talent around him at Ohio State has showcased his game well. His main flaw is lack of elite athleticism.
Okafor is going to be able to score pretty decent, probably shoot around 50% his rookie year, but he is a terrible ft shooter and his defense is a big question mark. Much bigger question mark than Russell imo.
Towns to me is very hard to gauge, mainly because the play of WCS. His numbers are not that impressive even when you look at it from a per 40 perspective. I would say Towns has the second most potential, but I do think it takes him longer to develop then anyone else on this list, possibly 5 years? Go back and watch the Louisville game, I thought Towns struggled mightily against smaller athletic defenders.
Mudiay to me has the most potential out of any of these players, but I do think it will take some time atleast two years, just so you are able to guage his work ethic. Freak athlete though.
Now we are overrating.
Maybe? But I see a lot of Westbrook in Mudiay, and people say Westbrook is a freak athlete.
I think the problem with this draft is there is a lot more potentially great players.. In the same token most of the top players could be bust in the terms of them being stars. There is no John Wall, or Andrew Wiggins, or Anthony Davis, guys you know are going to be good.
I would say Russell is most likely to succeed right away. His leadership and lack of talent around him at Ohio State has showcased his game well. His main flaw is lack of elite athleticism.
Okafor is going to be able to score pretty decent, probably shoot around 50% his rookie year, but he is a terrible ft shooter and his defense is a big question mark. Much bigger question mark than Russell imo.
Towns to me is very hard to gauge, mainly because the play of WCS. His numbers are not that impressive even when you look at it from a per 40 perspective. I would say Towns has the second most potential, but I do think it takes him longer to develop then anyone else on this list, possibly 5 years? Go back and watch the Louisville game, I thought Towns struggled mightily against smaller athletic defenders.
Mudiay to me has the most potential out of any of these players, but I do think it will take some time atleast two years, just so you are able to guage his work ethic. Freak athlete though.
Now we are overrating.
Maybe? But I see a lot of Westbrook in Mudiay, and people say Westbrook is a freak athlete.
Wow. People are way overrating Mudiay's athleticism. Is he athletic? Yes. Westbrook athletic? Let's not get carried away. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I think the problem with this draft is there is a lot more potentially great players.. In the same token most of the top players could be bust in the terms of them being stars. There is no John Wall, or Andrew Wiggins, or Anthony Davis, guys you know are going to be good.
I would say Russell is most likely to succeed right away. His leadership and lack of talent around him at Ohio State has showcased his game well. His main flaw is lack of elite athleticism.
Okafor is going to be able to score pretty decent, probably shoot around 50% his rookie year, but he is a terrible ft shooter and his defense is a big question mark. Much bigger question mark than Russell imo.
Towns to me is very hard to gauge, mainly because the play of WCS. His numbers are not that impressive even when you look at it from a per 40 perspective. I would say Towns has the second most potential, but I do think it takes him longer to develop then anyone else on this list, possibly 5 years? Go back and watch the Louisville game, I thought Towns struggled mightily against smaller athletic defenders.
Mudiay to me has the most potential out of any of these players, but I do think it will take some time atleast two years, just so you are able to guage his work ethic. Freak athlete though.
Now we are overrating.
Maybe? But I see a lot of Westbrook in Mudiay, and people say Westbrook is a freak athlete.
Wow. People are way overrating Mudiay's athleticism. Is he athletic? Yes. Westbrook athletic? Let's not get carried away.
Okay fair enough, I haven't really seen him play enough. It was just what scouts were saying about him before the season got started. He does seem to have Westbrook type burst, but he is playing in China? That can be misleading?
I've seen the DX clips of him. He's athletic, but it's also a bit relative to the mostly Chinese competitors too. He may be supremely athletic but we haven't seen him around better competition athletically speaking.
He looks like a bully guard who has a strong upper body, can post up smaller guys and finish it seems. But again, can he do that against NBA defenders, particularly when he can't shoot and defenders will give him space? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
People who don't like Mudiay, don't see the athleticism you allude to. We see an above average athlete, but not a John Wall/Westbrook FREAK. Mudiay has never looked close to as much of a blur as John Wall(even college John Wall), and Mudiay jumps like Reggie Jackson, not Russell Westbrook.
Towns if he was in the NBA at this moment, may be better suited at PF. but in 2 years he'll have perfect strength for a Center. Towns has showed some impressive ball handling over the past month, a couple euro steps.
Yes he's only a half inch taller than Aldridge, you can check draftexpress yourself.
here's his perimeter/ Aldridge-esq-ness from highschool
I think the problem with this draft is there is a lot more potentially great players.. In the same token most of the top players could be bust in the terms of them being stars. There is no John Wall, or Andrew Wiggins, or Anthony Davis, guys you know are going to be good.
I would say Russell is most likely to succeed right away. His leadership and lack of talent around him at Ohio State has showcased his game well. His main flaw is lack of elite athleticism.
Okafor is going to be able to score pretty decent, probably shoot around 50% his rookie year, but he is a terrible ft shooter and his defense is a big question mark. Much bigger question mark than Russell imo.
Towns to me is very hard to gauge, mainly because the play of WCS. His numbers are not that impressive even when you look at it from a per 40 perspective. I would say Towns has the second most potential, but I do think it takes him longer to develop then anyone else on this list, possibly 5 years? Go back and watch the Louisville game, I thought Towns struggled mightily against smaller athletic defenders.
Mudiay to me has the most potential out of any of these players, but I do think it will take some time atleast two years, just so you are able to guage his work ethic. Freak athlete though.
Now we are overrating.
Maybe? But I see a lot of Westbrook in Mudiay, and people say Westbrook is a freak athlete.
Wow. People are way overrating Mudiay's athleticism. Is he athletic? Yes. Westbrook athletic? Let's not get carried away.
Okay fair enough, I haven't really seen him play enough. It was just what scouts were saying about him before the season got started. He does seem to have Westbrook type burst, but he is playing in China? That can be misleading?
really? If westbrook and wall are a 10, Mudiay is a 6 in terms of speed
People who don't like Mudiay, don't see the athleticism you allude to. We see an above average athlete, but not a John Wall/Westbrook FREAK. Mudiay has never looked close to as much of a blur as John Wall(even college John Wall), and Mudiay jumps like Reggie Jackson, not Russell Westbrook.
Towns if he was in the NBA at this moment, may be better suited at PF. but in 2 years he'll have perfect strength for a Center. Towns has showed some impressive ball handling over the past month, a couple euro steps.
Yes he's only a half inch taller than Aldridge, you can check draftexpress yourself.
here's his perimeter/ Aldridge-esq-ness from highschool
Like I was alluding too, I think my assumptions have been manipulated by the scouts.
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