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yinoma2001
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| 24 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | So if Hezonja does the Euro Step, is it just a Step? |
Only if he does it in Europe. |
you can take him out of Europe, but you can't take the Euro out of him.
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| Mario Hezonja = Klay Thompson on steroids plus more upside and play making abilities. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | So if Hezonja does the Euro Step, is it just a Step? |
Only if he does it in Europe. |
you can take him out of Europe, but you can't take the Euro out of him. |
Or can you, step by step? |
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| SemperMalum wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | I wouldn't draft Hezonja #1.
1. Lacks left hand.
2. Limited mid-range game.
3. Not an Iso ball-handler.
4. Needs to advance defense.
He's got everything else. Athleticism, size, finishing ability/shooting. The rest can be developed. |
Essentially, if we get #5, it'd probably be Justise Winslow but Hezonja could be a dark horse for us. As with WCS. |
I'm good with all of those choices.
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| How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
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lakerglory
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He's a stud in the euro league which is as close to the NBA as is going to get. I'd give him a full season to learn the ins outs of the NBA before he is comfortable playing at a high level. |
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| lakerglory wrote: | | Mario Hezonja = Klay Thompson on steroids plus more upside and play making abilities. |
I'm really concerned about how Hezonja had a free throw drawing rate of 0.06 in 28 games at the ACB. That's more than enough games to make a determination--so in 417 minutes, he only went to the line...2 times? I really, really wonder if he shies away from contact. That's extremely outliery bad.
Even in the 22 games in the Euroleague, he only had a foul drawing rate of 0.18--in my mind, a foul drawing rate below 0.2, much less 0.25, is troubling, especially for perceived athletes like Hezonja.
I keep wondering if Terrence Ross is the best comparison, game-wise. Ross was also a flaky athlete-three point shooting type who really, really struggled to draw fouls. Klay was admittedly very similar at age 19, but he's just one comparison--my top three comps to Hezonja were Rudy Fernandez, Nando De Colo and Terrence Ross. |
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| jorkerjork wrote: | | lakerglory wrote: | | Mario Hezonja = Klay Thompson on steroids plus more upside and play making abilities. |
I'm really concerned about how Hezonja had a free throw drawing rate of 0.06 in 28 games at the ACB. That's more than enough games to make a determination--so in 417 minutes, he only went to the line...2 times? I really, really wonder if he shies away from contact. That's extremely outliery bad.
Even in the 22 games in the Euroleague, he only had a foul drawing rate of 0.18--in my mind, a foul drawing rate below 0.2, much less 0.25, is troubling, especially for perceived athletes like Hezonja.
I keep wondering if Terrence Ross is the best comparison, game-wise. Ross was also a flaky athlete-three point shooting type who really, really struggled to draw fouls. Klay was admittedly very similar at age 19, but he's just one comparison--my top three comps to Hezonja were Rudy Fernandez, Nando De Colo and Terrence Ross. |
can you tell me where you're getting advanced stats for euroleague? |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | lakerglory wrote: | | Mario Hezonja = Klay Thompson on steroids plus more upside and play making abilities. |
I'm really concerned about how Hezonja had a free throw drawing rate of 0.06 in 28 games at the ACB. That's more than enough games to make a determination--so in 417 minutes, he only went to the line...2 times? I really, really wonder if he shies away from contact. That's extremely outliery bad.
Even in the 22 games in the Euroleague, he only had a foul drawing rate of 0.18--in my mind, a foul drawing rate below 0.2, much less 0.25, is troubling, especially for perceived athletes like Hezonja.
I keep wondering if Terrence Ross is the best comparison, game-wise. Ross was also a flaky athlete-three point shooting type who really, really struggled to draw fouls. Klay was admittedly very similar at age 19, but he's just one comparison--my top three comps to Hezonja were Rudy Fernandez, Nando De Colo and Terrence Ross. |
can you tell me where you're getting advanced stats for euroleague? |
I just looked on b-r. Last season Hezonja had .212 FTr, and the season previous to that he had .286. This season he is at .125.
Interesting observation and I can see why that is a problem. |
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 people still rate wcs top 5 |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | people still rate wcs top 5 |
Does every response of yours lately involve laughing at others? Stop it. |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | lakerglory wrote: | | Mario Hezonja = Klay Thompson on steroids plus more upside and play making abilities. |
I'm really concerned about how Hezonja had a free throw drawing rate of 0.06 in 28 games at the ACB. That's more than enough games to make a determination--so in 417 minutes, he only went to the line...2 times? I really, really wonder if he shies away from contact. That's extremely outliery bad.
Even in the 22 games in the Euroleague, he only had a foul drawing rate of 0.18--in my mind, a foul drawing rate below 0.2, much less 0.25, is troubling, especially for perceived athletes like Hezonja.
I keep wondering if Terrence Ross is the best comparison, game-wise. Ross was also a flaky athlete-three point shooting type who really, really struggled to draw fouls. Klay was admittedly very similar at age 19, but he's just one comparison--my top three comps to Hezonja were Rudy Fernandez, Nando De Colo and Terrence Ross. |
can you tell me where you're getting advanced stats for euroleague? |
I just looked on b-r. Last season Hezonja had .212 FTr, and the season previous to that he had .286. This season he is at .125.
Interesting observation and I can see why that is a problem. |
Ya, this is a valid concern. Someone brought up JR Smith, and if you remove the knuckleheadedness, I wonder if it's not an appropriate comparison. The things that Hezonja does well makes for a great highlight reel, but there are some definite gaps in his game. If I were a team, I'd put him through hell in a workout and set him up to fail, to see how he reacts. Loads of talent, but his makeup is going to be especially important, IMO. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Ya, this is a valid concern. Someone brought up JR Smith, and if you remove the knuckleheadedness, I wonder if it's not an appropriate comparison. The things that Hezonja does well makes for a great highlight reel, but there are some definite gaps in his game. If I were a team, I'd put him through hell in a workout and set him up to fail, to see how he reacts. Loads of talent, but his makeup is going to be especially important, IMO. |
it was me, and half the reason for the comp was the knuckleheadedness they reportedly share. for some reason there are reports out there of hezonja being an absolute turd. can settle for a sulky/j.r. smithy player if he's spectacular, but not if he's a carmelo-tier black hole on O with no defensive value. if hezonja really is super efficient shooter and more than a linear run-and-jump athlete then he's worth a top 5 pick in any draft. i have no clue what he is and neither does anyone else though, at least until 2016 or 17 and beyond when he's an established nba player (or a bust) |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
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| 24 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | So if Hezonja does the Euro Step, is it just a Step? |
Only if he does it in Europe. |
you can take him out of Europe, but you can't take the Euro out of him. |
Or can you, step by step? |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
On the contrary, How Heromana ready is the NBA? |
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| Personally, I don't think you're going to get more than occasional outbursts from Hezonja until his third year, even in the best of circumstances. There's a high probability that he's going to piss off his coaches by being generally lost on defensive rotations, which is the surest way to land your ass on the bench. He's a puppy. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed. Especially with Byron as the coach. Just too many risk involved drafting Hezonja in the top 5. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | lakerglory wrote: | | Mario Hezonja = Klay Thompson on steroids plus more upside and play making abilities. |
I'm really concerned about how Hezonja had a free throw drawing rate of 0.06 in 28 games at the ACB. That's more than enough games to make a determination--so in 417 minutes, he only went to the line...2 times? I really, really wonder if he shies away from contact. That's extremely outliery bad.
Even in the 22 games in the Euroleague, he only had a foul drawing rate of 0.18--in my mind, a foul drawing rate below 0.2, much less 0.25, is troubling, especially for perceived athletes like Hezonja.
I keep wondering if Terrence Ross is the best comparison, game-wise. Ross was also a flaky athlete-three point shooting type who really, really struggled to draw fouls. Klay was admittedly very similar at age 19, but he's just one comparison--my top three comps to Hezonja were Rudy Fernandez, Nando De Colo and Terrence Ross. |
can you tell me where you're getting advanced stats for euroleague? |
I just looked on b-r. Last season Hezonja had .212 FTr, and the season previous to that he had .286. This season he is at .125.
Interesting observation and I can see why that is a problem. |
Ya, this is a valid concern. Someone brought up JR Smith, and if you remove the knuckleheadedness, I wonder if it's not an appropriate comparison. The things that Hezonja does well makes for a great highlight reel, but there are some definite gaps in his game. If I were a team, I'd put him through hell in a workout and set him up to fail, to see how he reacts. Loads of talent, but his makeup is going to be especially important, IMO. |
If JR Smith had the will to dominate, he would be a superstar. He's just too much of a "playboy". Hezonja is significantly bigger than JR too.
but maybe that's why I love Hezonja as a prospect - JR is one of my favorite players to watch (when he's on his game).
I remember when we were in those battles with the Nuggets in the playoffs, Smith was always the X-factor. We lost to them whenever JR was on his game.
If we could get a young JR with Kobe's mentorship...
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
You sound like Mitch in his exit interview.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
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| wast Stanley johnson going to declare yesterday? |
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| kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
You sound like Mitch in his exit interview. |
Pretty safe statement when most of the players in the draft aren't even old enough to drink.
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