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| I'd prefer Russell over Hezonja. I have no questions about his attitude or mentality. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | Agreed. Especially with Byron as the coach. Just too many risk involved drafting Hezonja in the top 5. |
Nah, it's just that the immediate expectations on 18 & 19 year olds are ridiculous. Everyone thinks these guys should be stars from day 1. That's not the case most of the time, even with good players. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Agreed. Especially with Byron as the coach. Just too many risk involved drafting Hezonja in the top 5. |
Nah, it's just that the immediate expectations on 18 & 19 year olds are ridiculous. Everyone thinks these guys should be stars from day 1. That's not the case most of the time, even with good players. |
And sadly if they aren't stars from day 1 (ala Dante Exum), they are a bust before they play an entire season.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Agreed. Especially with Byron as the coach. Just too many risk involved drafting Hezonja in the top 5. |
Nah, it's just that the immediate expectations on 18 & 19 year olds are ridiculous. Everyone thinks these guys should be stars from day 1. That's not the case most of the time, even with good players. |
And sadly if they aren't stars from day 1 (ala Dante Exum), they are a bust before they play an entire season. |
Guilty as charged with Exum. With him, I just don't see it. But you're right that he deserves a couple of years. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year.
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I don't think any of us can say with certainty anything about Mario Hizzo. His own coach seems to be purposely burying him on the bench when NBA scouts come to the game.
Not saying he's a sure thing, but everyone is operating with a deficit of information on him at this point.
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You usually see flashes of brilliance.. With exum.. You haven't really seen much initiative.. With clarkson, you do.
Russell has shown some amazing skills.. Scoring, passing, court vision.
Mudiuay has shown skills against pro talent.. Athleticism, attacking the hoop.. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't think any of us can say with certainty anything about Mario Hizzo. His own coach seems to be purposely burying him on the bench when NBA scouts come to the game.
Not saying he's a sure thing, but everyone is operating with a deficit of information on him at this point. |
Is that your perspective on Porzingis as well?
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Winslow>Hezonja
Kaminsky>Porzingis
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
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18/10 and 35 mpg is insane for a rookie. I expect something more along the lines of 14/7 and 28 mpg. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't think any of us can say with certainty anything about Mario Hizzo. His own coach seems to be purposely burying him on the bench when NBA scouts come to the game.
Not saying he's a sure thing, but everyone is operating with a deficit of information on him at this point. |
Is that your perspective on Porzingis as well? |
Yes. But mario's coach has purposely benched him so it makes it tougher.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
Uh the top 3 rookies played 30+ min? Parker was averaging close to 30min before his injury. Embiid was already injured just like Noel when he was drafted. |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
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18/10 and 35 mpg is insane for a rookie. I expect something more along the lines of 14/7 and 28 mpg. |
Sounds about right. I also see around 3-3.5 assists a game too. Higher than normal for Pfs.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | 18/10 and 35 mpg is insane for a rookie. I expect something more along the lines of 14/7 and 28 mpg. |
And even that is a lofty expectation. No rookie has done that since Blake Griffin & DeMarcus Cousins both did it in 2010-11. |
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| bandiger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
Uh the top 3 rookies played 30+ min? Parker was averaging close to 30min before his injury. Embiid was already injured just like Noel when he was drafted. |
Not with Scott and the lakers. I think it's the right philosophy to ease them in.
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Does anyone know if Randle qualifies as a rookie? I've gotten different answers on twitter. My guess would be no since he did play in the regular season but I've heard yes.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | 18/10 and 35 mpg is insane for a rookie. I expect something more along the lines of 14/7 and 28 mpg. |
And even that is a lofty expectation. No rookie has done that since Blake Griffin & DeMarcus Cousins both did it in 2010-11. |
Then it sounds like someone is due. 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| 22 wrote: | | I'd prefer Russell over Hezonja. I have no questions about his attitude or mentality. |
From the little bit I watched of him, my initial problem was that I don't care for the way he handles the ball. Way too much verticality, and he also looked like he was carrying it almost every time. Watching him dribble standing straight up, gives me concerns that he wont get by anybody in the nba with that type of ball handling. Same thing as Wiggins, and why he has so much trouble dribbling in trouble, in iso situations, and just generally trying to get by his mand. You have to drop your chest down/horizontally if you want to have any hopes of getting by your man. I'll have to go watch some more footage of Hezonja to see if this is something he does every time. I think someone is going to be disappointed if they pick him very high.
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| I'd say if Randle averaged 11-12 points, 4-5 rebounds, that's a good first year. That's about what I'd expect for him. More importantly, learning how to set a screen and properly positioning himself for box outs would be great as well. |
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| GasolBynumKobe wrote: | | Does anyone know if Randle qualifies as a rookie? I've gotten different answers on twitter. My guess would be no since he did play in the regular season but I've heard yes. |
Think he can. Not sure how it works but I believe the League can grant an exception on certain situations. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | bandiger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
Uh the top 3 rookies played 30+ min? Parker was averaging close to 30min before his injury. Embiid was already injured just like Noel when he was drafted. |
Not with Scott and the lakers. I think it's the right philosophy to ease them in. |
Ridiculous, Kobe was playing close to 30min in his second season? I expect Randle to be in great shape by the time next season starts if not than yeah you punish him with less than 30min. Rookies who play on contending teams usually do have less than what you are suggesting but for this team right now, he gets 30min at LEAST. Don't give me this crap about old school nonsense. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | 18/10 and 35 mpg is insane for a rookie. I expect something more along the lines of 14/7 and 28 mpg. |
And even that is a lofty expectation. No rookie has done that since Blake Griffin & DeMarcus Cousins both did it in 2010-11. |
Damn, you're right. Rookies suck. |
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| bandiger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | bandiger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | How NBA ready is Herzonja? |
He has to be in the right system and have a great coach to get the best out of him. His defense and character are major concerns, I don't think he's ready. |
Plus I don't see a player in this draft who is NBA ready. WCS might come the closest, or Kaminsky. |
I think Russell, Winslow, and Johnson are NBA ready. The others will take time to adjust, possibly years. |
Russell will get thrown around like a rag doll. If any of those 3 start their teams are doing them a disservice. |
Yeah. Even the best college players need transition to be "NBA ready." Heck, Randle, Embiid, and Parker (top 7 picks) all went down with season ending injuries.
Even with our boy Randle, I don't expect him to immediately drop 18/10 and play 35 mpg. Scott and the Lakers will ease him in. I think he can get those numbers eventually, but highly doubt his first year. |
Uh the top 3 rookies played 30+ min? Parker was averaging close to 30min before his injury. Embiid was already injured just like Noel when he was drafted. |
Not with Scott and the lakers. I think it's the right philosophy to ease them in. |
Ridiculous, Kobe was playing close to 30min in his second season? I expect Randle to be in great shape by the time next season starts if not than yeah you punish him with less than 30min. Rookies who play on contending teams usually do have less than what you are suggesting but for this team right now, he gets 30min at LEAST. Don't give me this crap about old school nonsense. |
Calm down. And no. Kobe played 15 mpg his rookie year and 26 mpg his 2nd. And Randle would be considered a rookie.
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