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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: Ceasefire on Byron (for the time being) |
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So, watching George Karl and Andre Miller help the Kings beat the Celtics the other day, I was thinking about why Mitch would choose Byron Scott as our coach, beyond the usual "former Laker" reasons.
While Karl may be just what the Kings need at the moment, the circumstance behind our hiring decision is a bit more like when the Rockets let Rick Adelman go and went with McHale- who on the face of it doesn't exactly seem the model of cutting edge coaching strategy.
If your end goal is to win a championship and you're trying to reload your entire roster, having a Hall of Fame caliber X's and O's coach working to maximize your existing talent season after season is pretty counterproductive.
It's more important to have a coach whose on the same page with the long term franchise goals, even if it means losing in horrible fashion for a season or so. For the Rockets, Adelman wasn't fine with trading away all the players who knew his offense for 1st round draft picks, and that was the major reason they parted ways. In hindsight, it was probably the right move.
I've come to terms with the thought that Byron will likely be our coach for the next few years, even when we're trying to win. Sure, alternatively a young up and coming coach could also semi-tank while putting in place a system for the future, but his cooperation in all personnel matters would be anything but assured. Now I have no idea if this really is the thinking that went behind his hiring, but it certainly is working out that way.
The difference between us and the Rockets is that we don't have anyone in the front office pushing the coach to modernize his schemes. But I'll reserve judgement until next year, as we'll see whether the offensive and defensive strategy will be turned over to fresh faces on the bench. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:53 am Post subject: |
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This doesn't change the fact that Byron Scott sucks as a coach though. |
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oldschool32 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm fine with Byron. As long as we keep on this correct path. Young guys develop, and we bring in top prospects. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Byron is merely the FO's puppet. He will perform as well as they direct him to. There are worse things to have in a tank year. |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:13 am Post subject: |
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As long as The Head of the Snake gets even a minute of playing time, I'll always have a problem with Byron. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | Byron is merely the FO's puppet. He will perform as well as they direct him to. There are worse things to have in a tank year. |
This _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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LakerLand247 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:25 am Post subject: |
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If Byron secures us a top 5 pick then he's done his job well for the future of the Laker franchise and its fans. |
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ADA32 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:39 am Post subject: |
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LakerLand247 wrote: | If Byron secures us a top 5 pick then he's done his job well for the future of the Laker franchise and its fans. |
I remembered this technique as management by objectives! |
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l4kerz Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: |
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LakerLand247 wrote: | If Byron secures us a top 5 pick then he's done his job well for the future of the Laker franchise and its fans. |
rotfl. Lakers could achieve the same result with someone a lot cheaper. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Karl and Miller didn't help much when the Kings faced the Clippers. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:04 am Post subject: |
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He is the coach we need, not the one we deserve. |
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Honeybadger81 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:28 am Post subject: |
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McHale did a great job under those circumstances though... He still had pressure to win and he got the job done..
2011-2012, the rockets almost made the playoff in the west with a roster featuring Schola, Kmart, Lowry, Dragic, Budinger, Parsons (rookie)... if not because of the lapse of last two weeks, and Lowry's injury.
2012-2013, almost all unproven rookies and second/third year players, added a Harden(not superstar yet), Jeremy Lin, Asik (statistically good, but unproven), Parsons (second year, unproven), PPat, Delfino, MMorris etc... and Morey consistently traded away and in players... with all these, the Rockets made the playoff, surprised a lot of people (even with the harden in the team)
you can't say the same about Byron, who has no pressure to win... if the FO is really into tanking, then they got their man... Byron is the master of tanking. |
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LakerLand247 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:38 am Post subject: |
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l4kerz wrote: | LakerLand247 wrote: | If Byron secures us a top 5 pick then he's done his job well for the future of the Laker franchise and its fans. |
rotfl. Lakers could achieve the same result with someone a lot cheaper. |
Are you paying for Byron's salary? Don't tell me you're a season ticket holder. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: |
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It's not Byron's fault we have crappy players.
But what I do blame him for is overplaying Kobe (I called for 30-32 MPG in the offseason), and not getting more out of Jeremy Lin. And then just odd DNP decisions such as Boozer in the loss against Brooklyn. Scott just seems to do a lot of head scratching type things. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Wait, you want us to stop complaining about something that has to do with the Lakers?
Is such a thing possible? _________________ *sighs*
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Scott is playing the Del Harris role, though I think Del was a much better overall coach. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Scott is doing his job well. Great tank general. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Even if we had the pieces we would probably not win with him as a coach. He's doing good as a tank commander so far though. |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Scott is playing the Del Harris role, though I think Del was a much better overall coach. |
If Del Harris was an assistant coach here then we might be better.
Byron really needs some good X and O guys on his staff. Give them a general vision and direction and let his staff help him with the details of establishing a clear system. |
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Honeybadger81 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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byron is playing the changing lineup tricks to divert his tanking intention...lol
but everyone knows his real intention is tanking... the media just does not have balls to question him... |
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legend825 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Byron Scott is STILL a horrible coach and Karl would've been a much better choice |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | It's not Byron's fault we have crappy players.
But what I do blame him for is overplaying Kobe (I called for 30-32 MPG in the offseason), and not getting more out of Jeremy Lin. And then just odd DNP decisions such as Boozer in the loss against Brooklyn. Scott just seems to do a lot of head scratching type things. |
If the FO wanted to get the most out of these level of players (and lose our pick/get a worse one) they would've kept MDA. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | It's not Byron's fault we have crappy players.
But what I do blame him for is overplaying Kobe (I called for 30-32 MPG in the offseason), and not getting more out of Jeremy Lin. And then just odd DNP decisions such as Boozer in the loss against Brooklyn. Scott just seems to do a lot of head scratching type things. |
If the FO wanted to get the most out of these level of players (and lose our pick/get a worse one) they would've kept MDA. |
No way. Laker fans wanted MDA out. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | kikanga wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | It's not Byron's fault we have crappy players.
But what I do blame him for is overplaying Kobe (I called for 30-32 MPG in the offseason), and not getting more out of Jeremy Lin. And then just odd DNP decisions such as Boozer in the loss against Brooklyn. Scott just seems to do a lot of head scratching type things. |
If the FO wanted to get the most out of these level of players (and lose our pick/get a worse one) they would've kept MDA. |
No way. Laker fans wanted MDA out. |
That was never part of the calculus. They wanted a shot at tanking this year. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Reflexx wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Scott is playing the Del Harris role, though I think Del was a much better overall coach. |
If Del Harris was an assistant coach here then we might be better.
Byron really needs some good X and O guys on his staff. Give them a general vision and direction and let his staff help him with the details of establishing a clear system. |
This. I think it is very clear that BS is just not a good x and o coach. _________________ "We have a lot of guys that have been kinda discarded ... Myself with the injury and the age. Jeremy ... a bunch of players who other teams really felt they had no use for. So we have that kind of attitude built into ourselves" -- Kobe Bryant |
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