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dont_be_a_wuss
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| But we have four guys from MIT |
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| iggypop123 wrote: | | petergr wrote: | I don't understand this blind ESPN bashing....
ESPN's pre-season forecast for current season...30 wins with 12th in West.
Actual ranking: 14th in West...on pace for 23 wins
ESPN's pre-season forecast for last season...36 wins with 12th in West
Actual ranking: 14th in West with 27 wins
Most of LG thought, Lakers will be in play-off race.
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if bspn knew we'd have like 5 guys out for the season then i tip my hat |
The team stunk even when they were relatively healthy. ESPN has actually been too kind. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| iggypop123 wrote: | | petergr wrote: | I don't understand this blind ESPN bashing....
ESPN's pre-season forecast for current season...30 wins with 12th in West.
Actual ranking: 14th in West...on pace for 23 wins
ESPN's pre-season forecast for last season...36 wins with 12th in West
Actual ranking: 14th in West with 27 wins
Most of LG thought, Lakers will be in play-off race.
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if bspn knew we'd have like 5 guys out for the season then i tip my hat |
They've been over generous for many seasons now.
They didn't know we'd have 5 guys out for the season. They just had a much better pulse on this team's ability than many fans did that's all. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Without injuries, the team has mid thirties as an over under IMO. Even with, if they instructed scott to wring every possible win out, they probably have 5-6 more wins right now.
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Rudy and his son servings as some kind of analytics team is baffling to me. What is their mathematical background?
When i think of analytics guys, i think of guys like Friedman and Zaidi in the Dodgers front office. The Mavs and Spurs employ a lot of guys with strict math/economics backgrounds. Hinkie graduated at the top of Stanford Business school and worked for Bain Capital. I get that it's good to have basketball minds, but that's what the scouting department is for, right? That's what Mitch is for right? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | Rudy and his son servings as some kind of analytics team is baffling to me. What is their mathematical background?
When i think of analytics guys, i think of guys like Friedman and Zaidi in the Dodgers front office. The Mavs and Spurs employ a lot of guys with strict math/economics backgrounds. Hinkie graduated at the top of Stanford Business school and worked for Bain Capital. I get that it's good to have basketball minds, but that's what the scouting department is for, right? That's what Mitch is for right? |
If I have this correctly, their firm provides stats. The MIT guys do the sportsvu/analytical stuff.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Rudy and his son servings as some kind of analytics team is baffling to me. What is their mathematical background?
When i think of analytics guys, i think of guys like Friedman and Zaidi in the Dodgers front office. The Mavs and Spurs employ a lot of guys with strict math/economics backgrounds. Hinkie graduated at the top of Stanford Business school and worked for Bain Capital. I get that it's good to have basketball minds, but that's what the scouting department is for, right? That's what Mitch is for right? |
If I have this correctly, their firm provides stats. The MIT guys do the sportsvu/analytical stuff. |
I don't think either Rudy or Trey are involved with the team anymore. |
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play hard play tough...
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The encouraging part I was talking about guys is that our future coach, Madsen (if you've been reading the tea leaves), is the one involved in analytics. That's a good sign. I wouldn't want them using analytics now anyways. This team needs to lose to keep the pick. Implement them next year lol.
Aren't we also getting a new practice facility soon? If that thing is outfitted with all the latest data collection tech then that says all we need to know |
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| Drifts wrote: | | play hard play tough... |
The only metric Byron believes in is windsprints.
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| Wow, you guys don't get it. The front office is very quantitative. Haven't you ever read the odds table in The Daily Racing Form? |
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Mitch said that ESPN had no idea what the FO is doing, like most of their rankings this is more space filler.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Of course it doesn't really matter what they're doing with it when the coach just ignores it.
Bill Oram @billoram · 1h 1 hour ago
Of analytics, particularly SportVU, Kupchak told ESPN 710, "it’s of most use to a coaching staff." But Byron Scott says it's of no use.
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Byron Scott on analtyics: “I don’t knock people who believe in it. That’s their prerogative. But I’m just more of an old school type guy.” |
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At least they are giving the data to Maddog. Hopefully he is breaking it down and analyzing the trends. It might make him ready to step in when Scott flames out.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | At least they are giving the data to Maddog. Hopefully he is breaking it down and analyzing the trends. It might make him ready to step in when Scott flames out. |
I've always liked Mark Madsen |
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| danzag wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | At least they are giving the data to Maddog. Hopefully he is breaking it down and analyzing the trends. It might make him ready to step in when Scott flames out. |
I've always liked Mark Madsen |
do it mitch!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | At least they are giving the data to Maddog. Hopefully he is breaking it down and analyzing the trends. It might make him ready to step in when Scott flames out. |
if you saw summer league he was awful. couldnt get the team to run a set.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Man, that's why Byron Scott is insufferable. |
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| Quote: | Jeremy Lin remembers the packet. The Houston Rockets distributed it at season's end, an ocean of personalized data slimmed down to a few pages. It showed that the point guard was one of the NBA's best at driving and making plays at the rim, but that he also struggled shooting from the left wing and 3-pointers off the dribble.
"Things like that, I didn't know," Lin said. It helped shape his offseason training regimen.
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| Quote: | | "[Byron Scott] told us a couple stats," Lin said, "but I don't know if they're necessarily that deep into analytics. They were stats about our efficiency when we score in pick-and-rolls versus isolations and some defensive numbers. But besides that, I haven't seen that much." |
| Quote: | "It's hard for me to believe that they're even close to fixing things right now, not given the results but given the way they're making decisions," said Jeff Ma, a predictive analytics expert for ESPN who has worked as an analytics consultant for several NBA teams.
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| Quote: | | The Lakers rank third in percentage of shots taken from midrange, widely regarded as the least efficient area on the court, and in the bottom five in corner 3-pointers, among the most efficient. The Lakers have long had an offense -- especially in crunch time -- dominated by Bryant taking contested shots, even as analytics show open shooters to be the more efficient option, regardless of who is taking them. Similarly, in his heyday, Andrew Bynum was among the most efficient scorers in the league, but often lagged teammates in number of attempts. |
| Quote: | | Despite Madsen's enthusiasm for the numbers, one analytics official familiar with the Lakers' operation said that Madsen's work is "not well-received" by Scott and the other coaches, and that any advanced stats the Lakers are using are "really, really basic." |
| Quote: | | "Don't get me wrong -- I don't know that the Lakers need to be at the forefront of analytics usage," one analytics official said. "They have some underlying competitive advantages in terms of finances and ability to attract free agents -- in theory, though not in recent practice. They've demonstrated in the past dozen years that they can eschew analytics and be very successful." |
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12375351/nba-los-angeles-lakers-stuck-stone-age
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Articles like this sometimes make me feel like Tommy Flanagan is running the Lakers.
"Yeah, we have an analytics team, but uh...they're secret. Nobody knows them. Yeah, yeah, and we sent someone to the Sloan Conference but he was in disguise! Yeah, that's the ticket..." |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| danzag wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | At least they are giving the data to Maddog. Hopefully he is breaking it down and analyzing the trends. It might make him ready to step in when Scott flames out. |
I've always liked Mark Madsen |
This is the encouraging part. Madsen will use it. We just need him to get the gig now |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Seems like there will be an inevitable clash between Madsen/Scott...who will the Lakers back?
Also, interesting that Lin in Houston got the breakdown analytically speaking, while on the Lakers...yeah.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Seems like there will be an inevitable clash between Madsen/Scott...who will the Lakers back?
Also, interesting that Lin in Houston got the breakdown analytically speaking, while on the Lakers...yeah. |
I think Madsen. They wanted to sign him before Scott, but they feared fan backlash |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| At least Mitch seems to be considering the value of analytics. Byron's "I'm old school" dinosaur act is getting really tiresome, not to mention audacious in the face of his horrific record, which is sub .300 going back to 2009-10. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | At least Mitch seems to be considering the value of analytics. Byron's "I'm old school" dinosaur act is getting really tiresome, not to mention audacious in the face of his horrific record, which is sub .300 going back to 2009-10. |
Scott needs Sports VU and the "eye in the sky" to confirm that.
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