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Iron Mamba
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 Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:47 pm Post subject: Mitch and Byron Do Not agree on Analytics - (Update 7/17: Lakers open Analytics liaison to the Coach - p.8) |
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/26/lakers-coach-byron-scott-i-dont-believe-in-analytics/
| Quote: | it's only recently that the Lakers have invested in an analytics department. GM Mitch Kupchak told ESPN.com that SportVU data has "changed this whole business" and that he has brought aboard a group of four employees to interpret the data.
But the Lakers were slow to embrace SportVU data. And while Kupchak indicated most SportVU analysis is directed toward the coaching staff, with assistant coach Mark Madsen as a conduit, it's hard to find any evidence of Byron Scott putting those insights in play on the court.
| Quote: | Byron Scott on analytics: "I think we’ve got a few guys who believe in it. I’m not one of them." (Note to Scott: They're numbers. Not Santa Claus)
— Bill Oram (@billoram) February 26, 2015
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| Quote: | Byron said he has weekly analytics talks with assistants. Says he listens. Have any coaching decisions stemmed from those convos? "No."
— Bill Oram (@billoram) February 26, 2015
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Although the Lakers have (wisely) eschewed Scott’s plan of frequently forgoing 3-pointers, they still shoot way too many inefficient mid-range jumpers. Despite statistics that could help identify and fix shortcomings, the Lakers’ defense remains worst in the NBA. Kobe Bryant, before his season-ending injury, played much more than teams that monitor player health through analytics would have used the 36-year-old.
This is not something to brag about.
Scott likes to emphasize his old-school bona fides and championship pedigree, and analytics don’t fit that picture. But what he’s doing is not working in any sense.
Does he position his players to succeed? Has he motivated them? Do they follow his lead in terms of dignity and effort?
Available evidence – most of all, the Lakers’ 15-41 record – suggests no.
And now Scott openly says he does not believe in using the information available to him to improve the team. |
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KBH
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we all knew Byron would be the last guy into analytics in traning camp. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Byron views the Knicks/Heat era of the NBA as the golden age of basketball for whatever reason. I kind of think Kobe does too. Maybe it's a macho thing. Maybe with Byron it's a Riley thing. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Byron's an idiot. What's new? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Inexcusable, and more damning of our Front Office than any player personnel decision they've made. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope that one day Byron figures out he can maintain his tough guy 80s personality without intentionally shooting himself in the foot with antiquated strategies. |
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lukewaltonsdad
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ^I'd agree with that. Let's just hope Byron is a short-term solution at the very least. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Byron and his outdated philosophy. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Don Draper wrote: | | I hope that one day Byron figures out he can maintain his tough guy 80s personality without intentionally shooting himself in the foot with antiquated strategies. |
Like running suicides... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark Madsen for coach 2016 |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Why did Mitch hire him than?
Especially when MDA's offense was analytically sound.
People can blame Scott if they want. But he's just coaching the way he believes is right. If his basketball philosophies are wrong, that makes it a bad coaching hire. No way around it.
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| kikanga wrote: | Why did Mitch hire him than?
Especially when MDA's offense was analytically sound |
This is what I heard, and I may be wrong; knowing that the future might be bleak, MDA wanted an extension to ensure his future for ex number of seasons he requested to the FO. The FO declined and at that point, they reached a buyout.
Scott was hired to appease the fans and have a well-known figure from a beloved era of Lakers basketball coach this team; plus, he was extremely close with Kobe. Just my .002 cents, and I could be way off...
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Inexcusable, and more damning of our Front Office than any player personnel decision they've made. |
This. Also more evidence that none of them are on the same page and they have no plan or direction at the top. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| This further shows that hiring him was the wrong move and the team won't improve and make positive change without embracing analytics and common sense in way... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Not a surprise. Remember when Kobe was exasperated because he thought Lin was stupid? But it turned out that Byron was instructing Lin not to foul because 22 seconds vs 10 seconds wouldn't made much of a difference. LOL!
The man can't even preserve the clock in end game situations, let alone dissect analytics. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm glad they haven't embraced it fully this season. We need all the losses we can get lol |
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| JoJo Dancer wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Inexcusable, and more damning of our Front Office than any player personnel decision they've made. |
This. Also more evidence that none of them are on the same page and they have no plan or direction at the top. |
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. It's not just a matter of analytics being useful, and the Lakers should have hired someone that implements them. It illustrates a lack of cohesion. Our basketball philosophies, good or bad, should be consistent throughout the organization. Utterly embarrassing.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Inexcusable, and more damning of our Front Office than any player personnel decision they've made. |
ignorance is bliss  |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think we all knew from the 4,587 interviews that Scott was not who they really wanted
Just one more year... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| byron u big dummy! |
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lukewaltonsdad
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 22 wrote: | I think we all knew from the 4,587 interviews that Scott was not who they really wanted
Just one more year... |
I think he's getting 1 more year after Kobe; at that point, we have a Team Option on his contract that will hopefully be declined. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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meanwhile, in phoenix...
"These things seem simple, but that's kind of the beauty of what Hornacek is accomplishing. He's using advanced analysis to reinforce a pragmatic coaching style that resonates with the players. Put guys into a position to succeed, give them confidence, encourage them to make the right play, and leave the more complex elements to the coaching staff."
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24395786/calm-cool-and-collected-how-jeff-hornaceks-keeping-the-suns-hot
i mean, sure, having bledsoe and dragic sure helps, but the approach shouldn't be any different whether you have superstars or role players. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | 22 wrote: | I think we all knew from the 4,587 interviews that Scott was not who they really wanted
Just one more year... |
I think he's getting 1 more year after Kobe; at that point, we have a Team Option on his contract that will hopefully be declined. |
don't say that lukewaltonsdad, it's too painful to think about lol |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Why didn't they go after Mike Budenholzer before the Hawks got him?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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We don't need no stinking analytics.....
this season |
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