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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:16 pm    Post subject: Atlanta can swap picks with Brooklyn in the coming draft.

They also need to re-sign Milsap/Demarre Carroll and could possibly get another free agent. Since first round contracts are guaranteed, they might want to shed some salary. How about we offer:

- Our 2nd rounder (which well be in in the low to mid 30's)
- A future first rounder (lottery protected protected for 4 years. if not conveyed in that time, then a 2 2nd rounders will be given)
- ATL dumps Shelvin Mack and the $2.43M owed to him for Sacre (team option) + 750k

For Brooklyn's first? It will likely be a 10-14 pick.

The why: by doing this, they can still secure a first round pick in the future, acquire a non guaranteed early second rounder now, plus they will shed payroll which will free up more money to hunt for another free agent to add to the team.

edit: changed a few things.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Atlanta can swap picks with Brooklyn in the coming draft.

misterrunon wrote:
They also need to re-sign Milsap and could possibly get another free agent. Since first round contracts are guaranteed, they might want to shed some salary. How about we offer:

- Our 2nd rounder (which well be in in the low to mid 30's)
- A future first rounder (top 18 protected for 4 years. if not conveyed in that time, then a 2 2nd rounders will be given)
- Cash

For Brooklyn's first? It will likely be a 10-14 pick.


Or Houston 1st and our 2nd?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Atlanta can swap picks with Brooklyn in the coming draft.

yinoma2001 wrote:
misterrunon wrote:
They also need to re-sign Milsap and could possibly get another free agent. Since first round contracts are guaranteed, they might want to shed some salary. How about we offer:

- Our 2nd rounder (which well be in in the low to mid 30's)
- A future first rounder (top 18 protected for 4 years. if not conveyed in that time, then a 2 2nd rounders will be given)
- Cash

For Brooklyn's first? It will likely be a 10-14 pick.


Or Houston 1st and our 2nd?


They wouldn't want a first rounder because the contract would be guaranteed, plus it wouldn't be worth it. Houston's pick will probably be something like 26th and guaranteed.

So a 26ish plus 34ish pick is not enough to land a 10-14 pick. Last year the bulls had to trade the 16th and 19th picks to land McDermot at 11. Then again, the deal that Denver got was pretty sweet.. I don't think the Bulls do that under normal circumstances, but maybe they really wanted McDermott and plus they needed to shed salary (having 2 guaranteed rokie contracts is not a good idea for a win-now team).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Atlanta can swap picks with Brooklyn in the coming draft.

misterrunon wrote:
They also need to re-sign Milsap/Demarre Carroll and could possibly get another free agent. Since first round contracts are guaranteed, they might want to shed some salary. How about we offer:

- Our 2nd rounder (which well be in in the low to mid 30's)



The salary difference between the first round pick from Brooklyn (currently about 2.1 million) and the second round pick from the Lakers ($525,093) isn't a significant amount. There would be two years of Shelvin Mack which is a total of approximately $4.9 million.

A huge improvement in the draft for the Lakers from an early second round pick to a mid - late Lottery pick for a relatively low cost.



misterrunon wrote:

- A future first rounder (lottery protected protected for 4 years. if not conveyed in that time, then a 2 2nd rounders will be given)


The time period (2016 Draft?, 2017 Draft?, 2018 Draft?, 2019 Draft?) for the future first rounder that you are offering would have a fair amount of overlap with the first round picks owed to Philadelphia (originally to Phoenix) and Orlando. A slick deal if Mitch could pull it off, but he also risks being viewed as disingenuous - shady by the Atlanta FO for making that offer.

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2015 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Phoenix) protected for selections 1-5 in 2015, 1-3 in 2016 and 1-3 in 2017 and unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]



2017 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019; if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]




misterrunon wrote:

- ATL dumps Shelvin Mack and the $2.43M owed to him for Sacre (team option) + 750k


Does that trade work in June per the CBA?

If the rebuttal is going to be to do the trade in July when the Lakers have Cap Space, then why wouldn't the Lakers just absorb Mack's contract into Cap Space and handle the disposal of Sacre's contract themselves?



misterrunon wrote:

The why: by doing this, they can still secure a first round pick in the future,



How is a first round pick in the future secured when it could eventually be downgraded to second round picks?

misterrunon wrote:

- A future first rounder (lottery protected protected for 4 years. if not conveyed in that time, then a 2 2nd rounders will be given)





misterrunon wrote:
plus they will shed payroll which will free up more money to hunt for another free agent to add to the team.


Do you (and others) think that it is a very favorable deal for the Lakers since they aren't really having to spend a tremendous amount for a huge improvement in the draft order? If so, do you think that other teams will also realize the opportunity at hand and offer a better deal to the the Hawks than you have proposed?



misterrunon wrote:
They also need to re-sign Milsap/Demarre Carroll and could possibly get another free agent.


The salary situation for Hawks this Summer might not be as critical as you are suggesting, but retaining Milsap, Carroll and signing a Free Agent in the $8 million salary range would be rather difficult.


Summer 2015 with the pick from the Nets:


$12,000,000.00 Al Horford (1)
$8,000,000.00 Jeff Teague (2)
$5,746,479.00 Kyle Korver (3)
$4,000,000.00 Thabo Sefolosha (4)
$3,333,333.00 Mike Scott (5)
$2,000,000.00 Kent Bazemore (6)
$1,763,400.00 Dennis Schroder (7)
$2,228,025.00 John Jenkins (8)
$947,276.00 Mike Muscala (9)
$2,433,333.00 Shelvin Mack (10)
$2,100,000 First Round pick at #10 (11)
$0 Placeholder (12)
$0 Placeholder (13)
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$44,551,846.00






Without contracts and listed with their salaries for the current season:


$9,500,000.00 Paul Millsap
$2,442,455.00 DeMarre Carroll

$1,250,000.00 Pero Antic

$2,000,000.00 Elton Brand
$1,000,000.00 John Salmons


Milsap and Carroll were signed in Summer 2013 on two year contracts, so they don't have full Bird Rights with Atlanta.

The next choice would be Early Bird contracts.


25. What are salary cap exceptions?

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EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 33 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 104.5% of the average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater (see question number 32 for the definition of "average salary"). Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 7.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Early Bird is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception, and qualifying players are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA.


$9,500,000 X 1.75 = $16,625,000 (Milsap)

$2,442,455 X 1.75 = $4,274,296 (Carroll)


Milsap at $16 million appears to be fair for both him and Atlanta while Carroll could be getting offers in perhaps the $8 million range.


38. How much do free agents count toward team salary?

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Early Bird (all others) 130% of his previous salary



The Cap Holds for Milsap & Carroll would be:


$9,500,000 X 1.3 = $12,350,000

$2,442,455 X 1.3 = $3,175,191


$12,000,000.00 Al Horford (1)
$8,000,000.00 Jeff Teague (2)
$5,746,479.00 Kyle Korver (3)
$4,000,000.00 Thabo Sefolosha (4)
$3,333,333.00 Mike Scott (5)
$2,000,000.00 Kent Bazemore (6)
$1,763,400.00 Dennis Schroder (7)
$2,228,025.00 John Jenkins (8)
$947,276.00 Mike Muscala (9)
$2,433,333.00 Shelvin Mack (10)
$2,100,000 First Round pick at #10 (11)
$3,175,191 DeMarre Carroll ~~ Cap Hold (12)
$12,350,000 Paul Millsap ~~ Cap Hold (13)
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$60,077,037



With DeMarre Carroll signed at $8 million and Milsap still with a Cap Hold.


$12,000,000.00 Al Horford (1)
$8,000,000.00 Jeff Teague (2)
$5,746,479.00 Kyle Korver (3)
$4,000,000.00 Thabo Sefolosha (4)
$3,333,333.00 Mike Scott (5)
$2,000,000.00 Kent Bazemore (6)
$1,763,400.00 Dennis Schroder (7)
$2,228,025.00 John Jenkins (8)
$947,276.00 Mike Muscala (9)
$2,433,333.00 Shelvin Mack (10)
$2,100,000 First Round pick at #10 (11)
$8,000,000 DeMarre Carroll (12)
$12,350,000 Paul Millsap ~~ Cap Hold (13)
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$64,901,846.


Since the ownership situation for the Hawks is currently up in the air, I will have their Front Office as being conservative and not being overly aggressive in pursuing major Free Agents.


With Carroll signed at $8 million and Milsap signed at $16 million


$12,000,000.00 Al Horford (1)
$8,000,000.00 Jeff Teague (2)
$5,746,479.00 Kyle Korver (3)
$4,000,000.00 Thabo Sefolosha (4)
$3,333,333.00 Mike Scott (5)
$2,000,000.00 Kent Bazemore (6)
$1,763,400.00 Dennis Schroder (7)
$2,228,025.00 John Jenkins (8)
$947,276.00 Mike Muscala (9)
$2,433,333.00 Shelvin Mack (10)
$2,100,000 First Round pick at #10 (11)
$8,000,000 DeMarre Carroll (12)
$16,000,000 Paul Millsap (13)

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$68,551,846



That is fairly close to the projected Salary Cap and they could fill out the other two roster spots at relatively low costs with one player making the Room Exception and another making the minimum salary.


After reviewing the numbers, I doubt that Atlanta will have the urgent need to dump Shelvin Mack's contract as you have suggested.


Thanks in advance for your response.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject:

I want Schroder
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:50 am    Post subject:

a2j1m wrote:
I want Schroder


I want Westbrook.
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