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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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They have the advantage in coaching but we have the advantage in young talent. Theyre not ahead of us. They've tanked for a bunch of bench players over the last few years. Randle, Clarkson, top 5 pick should all be better than any player they have. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They have the advantage in coaching but we have the advantage in young talent. Theyre not ahead of us. They've tanked for a bunch of bench players over the last few years. Randle, Clarkson, top 5 pick should all be better than any player they have. |
Their yield has been middling prospects. Smart will be an elite defender, but doesn't project to be elite on the offensive end.
Unless the Nets plummet the next 3 seasons, their picks will be middling as well.
But Boston's advantages are they play in the weak East where 35 wins gets you in the playoffs as well as an awesome coach. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They have the advantage in coaching but we have the advantage in young talent. Theyre not ahead of us. They've tanked for a bunch of bench players over the last few years. Randle, Clarkson, top 5 pick should all be better than any player they have. |
Their yield has been middling prospects. Smart will be an elite defender, but doesn't project to be elite on the offensive end.
Unless the Nets plummet the next 3 seasons, their picks will be middling as well.
But Boston's advantages are they play in the weak East where 35 wins gets you in the playoffs as well as an awesome coach. |
Ya Smart is their only player who projects as maybe an above average starter, we have 3 of those guys, probly.
I can spin even more negativity on their story -- they have a really good coach, but the most impactful thing he's done in terms of returning them to contention, has been COSTING them significantly better players in the draft. No matter how good he is , he'll never have them competing if they're always consecutively drafting a marcus smart and then a #15 pick.
Theyre headed for mediocrity. Tell the OP |
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Lakers2015 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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JoJo Dancer wrote: | Lakers2015 wrote: | laker4life wrote: | Lakers2015 wrote: | 32 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Of course the Celts get to the playoffs before we would due to the weak East. I still put my money on the Lakers winning a championship first. |
Weak east or not they are playing really good basketball right now and those young mutt players are buying into Brad Stevens system. I really hope you are right that the Lakers get the next one first. |
Look at their second half schedule. It's among the softest in the NBA.
They should've made the postseason in the atrocity that is the Eastern Conference.
They'll get swept by Cleveland and miss out on a top pick. |
Whether it is weak or not, they are way ahead.
We have the 4th worse record. We are behind. |
Of course we're and we should be.
Our #1 pick broke his leg on opening night and best player played less than half a season.
The Celtics should have the better record, but let's be honest. In the West they win 25 games max.
They aren't that good. |
No they should be worse than us. They traded their 2 best players in the middle of the season. Their coach is the real deal. |
No they shouldn't. Rondo has been garbage since his ACL tear and Green is an average starter.
It's not like they're superstars.
Certainly not as good as a healthy Randle or Kobe. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They have the advantage in coaching but we have the advantage in young talent. Theyre not ahead of us. They've tanked for a bunch of bench players over the last few years. Randle, Clarkson, top 5 pick should all be better than any player they have. |
Their yield has been middling prospects. Smart will be an elite defender, but doesn't project to be elite on the offensive end.
Unless the Nets plummet the next 3 seasons, their picks will be middling as well.
But Boston's advantages are they play in the weak East where 35 wins gets you in the playoffs as well as an awesome coach. |
Ya Smart is their only player who projects as maybe an above average starter, we have 3 of those guys, probly.
I can spin even more negativity on their story -- they have a really good coach, but the most impactful thing he's done in terms of returning them to contention, has been COSTING them significantly better players in the draft. No matter how good he is , he'll never have them competing if they're always consecutively drafting a marcus smart and then a #15 pick.
Theyre headed for mediocrity. Tell the OP |
Their coach looks good b/c he's taken middling talent and has gotten them to overachieve. I agree though in doing so they have taken themselves out of the running of getting elite draft talent (though the Nets may implode in the next few years, giving them a possible high lottery pick). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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laker4life Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers2015 wrote: | laker4life wrote: | Lakers2015 wrote: | 32 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Of course the Celts get to the playoffs before we would due to the weak East. I still put my money on the Lakers winning a championship first. |
Weak east or not they are playing really good basketball right now and those young mutt players are buying into Brad Stevens system. I really hope you are right that the Lakers get the next one first. |
Look at their second half schedule. It's among the softest in the NBA.
They should've made the postseason in the atrocity that is the Eastern Conference.
They'll get swept by Cleveland and miss out on a top pick. |
Whether it is weak or not, they are way ahead.
We have the 4th worse record. We are behind. |
Of course we're and we should be.
Our #1 pick broke his leg on opening night and best player played less than half a season.
The Celtics should have the better record, but let's be honest. In the West they win 25 games max.
They aren't that good. |
If they are not good, we must be incredibly and historically pathetic.
Whether they are in the east or not, they are in the playoffs. They have more draft picks coming up. They also have stability with Brad Stevens as their coach.
We simply have no idea who will be on this team in the next few years and how good they will be (except for Clarkson). Randle has not played a single season yet. Also our front office lacks continuity
They are simply closer to a championship presently. Granted that can change one year from now but I will not speculate until we see what happens in the lottery and free agent signings. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Boston is ahead right now, but I think we'll be back to contention before they do. We still have contracts to shed and have some pretty good potential brewing in the young guys. |
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PurpleAndGOAT Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest _________________ Lake Show |
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bandiger Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
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laker4life Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
Unfortunately we have neither.
As stated, we presently have looong way to go |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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bandiger wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
Good coach without good players is a mediocre team at best |
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PurpleAndGOAT Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | bandiger wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
Good coach without good players is a mediocre team at best |
true but a good coach WITH good players is a lethal combo, and the celts have the tools to acquire quality players down the road _________________ Lake Show |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers2015 wrote: | The Celtics should have the better record, but let's be honest. In the West they win 25 games max. |
They won 40% of their games against the west this year. If you assume they kept the same winning percentage against both divisions, moving to the west (and playing more games against western teams) would have resulted in about 37 wins. So they'd be the Utah Jazz. |
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The Shadow King Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'll wager that he goes to New York. _________________ Lakers, today. Lakers, tomorrow. Lakers, forever. |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Faceman wrote: |
I'll wager that he goes to New York. |
I'd be ecstatic with either one |
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Lakers2015 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | Lakers2015 wrote: | The Celtics should have the better record, but let's be honest. In the West they win 25 games max. |
They won 40% of their games against the west this year. If you assume they kept the same winning percentage against both divisions, moving to the west (and playing more games against western teams) would have resulted in about 37 wins. So they'd be the Utah Jazz. |
So they still would be a below average team.
That's my point. They're gonna get swept by the Cavs and miss out on a lottery pick.
Meanwhile we will likely have another one to add with our two picks last season. |
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Lakers2015 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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bandiger wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
Are you kidding me?
This is a players league and you'd rather have the coach?
Great players can make mediocre coaches like Mike Brown, Byron Scott, Eric Spoelstra, and Mark Jackson look good.
Just look at Phil. How successful was he without MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Pippen, and Gasol?
As great as he was you can't win without talent. |
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Lakers95 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | The Faceman wrote: |
I'll wager that he goes to New York. |
I'd be ecstatic with either one |
He'll stay in Cleveland. The media would tear him a new one if he leaves Lebron and essentially makes them look like the biggest fools ever for trading Wiggins. |
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DocK36 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers2015 wrote: | bandiger wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
Are you kidding me?
This is a players league and you'd rather have the coach?
Great players can make mediocre coaches like Mike Brown, Byron Scott, Eric Spoelstra, and Mark Jackson look good.
Just look at Phil. How successful was he without MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Pippen, and Gasol?
As great as he was you can't win without talent. | Exactly, Doc Rivers got fired in Atlanta, and you give him KG and company all of a sudden he became a championship coach. Give Phil Luke Walton and Smush Parker and he gets bounced in the first round. _________________ Ringo "You retired too?"
Doc "Not me, I'm in my prime." |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers95 wrote: | 22 wrote: | The Faceman wrote: |
I'll wager that he goes to New York. |
I'd be ecstatic with either one |
He'll stay in Cleveland. The media would tear him a new one if he leaves Lebron and essentially makes them look like the biggest fools ever for trading Wiggins. |
That'd make me happy too. And you're right the media would be all over him |
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | We are winning a title before the Celtics. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | bandiger wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
Good coach without good players is a mediocre team at best |
good coach is where it all starts. much easier to get good players than great players realistically and a good coach can make the good/ above average players give results better than the sum of their parts.
a bad coach can make promising players stagnate and keep the team from winning. |
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doughboy90650 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:35 am Post subject: |
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As long as James is in that conference, the C's aren't winning anything. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:09 am Post subject: |
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At least they're in the playoffs. |
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PurpleAndGOAT Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:45 am Post subject: |
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nashftw wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | bandiger wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | I would rather have a good coach than young players with potential to be honest |
I agree. |
Good coach without good players is a mediocre team at best |
good coach is where it all starts. much easier to get good players than great players realistically and a good coach can make the good/ above average players give results better than the sum of their parts.
a bad coach can make promising players stagnate and keep the team from winning. |
Exactly and great players will want to go to the best coached team in free agency _________________ Lake Show |
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