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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject:

Exactly. I see Bradley leaving for a max with another team.

Hayward and IT is a solid 1-2 punch, but not enough to get by Lebronze
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:39 pm    Post subject:

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What are the Celtics going to do about IT, Smart and Bradley's impending extensions in 2018?

This. Eventually, the salary cap will bite them too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject:

Who starts at the 4 if they deal Crowder in the S&T? I feel like Smart is the most reasonable option to be traded rather than Crowder/Bradley
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject:

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Jayson Tatum on Kobe: "Yeah, that's my favorite player... At least he was until I came to the Celtics."

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:24 pm    Post subject:

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Dang. He looks good. Seems like Ingram with some meat on him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:43 am    Post subject:

Tatum looks better than Ingram already. Superior frame, athleticism and mentality.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject:

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Dang. He looks good. Seems like Ingram with some meat on him.


except Ingram is 3 positions longer.
Tatum's got the moves.. Ingram is more explosive though. I personally also heavily prefer Tatum's jumper/form.
Still think Ingram should be a tier above as a prospect. Tatum's athleticism isn't above average
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject:

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Tatum looks better than Ingram already. Superior frame, athleticism and mentality.


how in the hell is that though? Because he has a couple of open lane dunks? He's not quick at all, at all - while Ingram can stride, is dynamic with the ball in transition. Ingram dunks on people in hoards.
Tatum is not an above avg athlete, leaping wise he may be. But it's nothing special there.
Ingram's potentially an elite athlete.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject:

The more I hear about the Hayward S&T or whatever it ends up being.. the worse it looks for Boston.

If Boston has to give up Smart, Bradley and Crowder, then they lose all of their depth.

If they field I.T, Hayward and a bunch of sorry role players, then they'll get swept by the Cavs or lose in 5.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject:

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Tatum looks better than Ingram already. Superior frame, athleticism and mentality.


Wait until he goes up against Kawhi or Giannis instead of fringe NBA talent. Any summer league assessment can be filed in the nearest trash bin when the season starts. You'll be in for a shock, as none of those things you mentioned are true.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:34 am    Post subject:

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Arsenal wrote:
Tatum looks better than Ingram already. Superior frame, athleticism and mentality.


Wait until he goes up against Kawhi or Giannis instead of fringe NBA talent. Any summer league assessment can be filed in the nearest trash bin when the season starts. You'll be in for a shock, as none of those things you mentioned are true.


Hope I'm wrong. We'll see starting tomorrow since the same trash will be playing against LAL in Vegas.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject:

Krispy Kreme wrote:
The more I hear about the Hayward S&T or whatever it ends up being.. the worse it looks for Boston.

If Boston has to give up Smart, Bradley and Crowder, then they lose all of their depth.

If they field I.T, Hayward and a bunch of sorry role players, then they'll get swept by the Cavs or lose in 5.


They don't have to give them all up to get Hayward. They only give them all up if they get Gasol too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject:

Arsenal wrote:
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Arsenal wrote:
Tatum looks better than Ingram already. Superior frame, athleticism and mentality.


Wait until he goes up against Kawhi or Giannis instead of fringe NBA talent. Any summer league assessment can be filed in the nearest trash bin when the season starts. You'll be in for a shock, as none of those things you mentioned are true.


Hope I'm wrong. We'll see starting tomorrow since the same trash will be playing against LAL in Vegas.


You're right, and I hoping he'll do very well. I've just tempered my expectations after watching guys like Anthony Randolph, Glenn Rice Jr, Adam Morrison, Smush Parker dominate the summer league. I believe the way Ingram finished the season against NBA competition is much more pertinent to how he'll begin the next.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject:

THE REASON THE CELTICS ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE LAKERS
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject:

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So Celtics take Cavs to 6, instead of 5. No biggy.


Isn't Lebron turning 33 this year? They're probably banking on him declining enough in a couple years to get over on the Cavs.


Lebron doesn't age. He's impervious to the laws of nature for whatever reason. He's a genetic freak.


Father Time is undefeated. I bet in 2-3 seasons, injuries will start to be a big issue for him. The only thing I'm concerned about is Boston benefiting from his eventual fall.


I feel like you're right, but I also feel like Lebron doesn't abide by natures laws. First player to average a triple double in the finals at age 32. Even if he did drop off, a worse Lebron is still better than 95% of the league.
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LandsbergerRules wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
So Celtics take Cavs to 6, instead of 5. No biggy.


Isn't Lebron turning 33 this year? They're probably banking on him declining enough in a couple years to get over on the Cavs.


Lebron doesn't age. He's impervious to the laws of nature for whatever reason. He's a genetic freak.


Father Time is undefeated. I bet in 2-3 seasons, injuries will start to be a big issue for him. The only thing I'm concerned about is Boston benefiting from his eventual fall.


I feel like you're right, but I also feel like Lebron doesn't abide by natures laws. First player to average a triple double in the finals at age 32. Even if he did drop off, a worse Lebron is still better than 95% of the league.


Wherever LeBron goes championships follow.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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THE REASON THE CELTICS ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE LAKERS


Whats interesting is OKC just did the exact same thing with the PG trade but no whiny babies crying in Clevelan, Dallas or Charlotte this time.

OKC atoned for a 3y/60M contract to a #2 bust Oladipo and got the best player. Dumped bad K, saved $, and got the top talent. How is this really diff from CP3 trade?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:10 pm    Post subject:

Celtics are overrated. Hayward is no superstar, no top 15 player.

If Rondo didn't get hurt , they would have been swept in the first round by a terrible Bulls team. Cavs have embarassed them in a way I rarely have seen in the history of the NBA.

They still have a lot of assets and young guys, but they will lose all their veterans before the young guys are good enough. Also, I don't see a superstar yet between them. They have no Durant+Westbrook + Harden that OKC drafted or Curry + Thompson + Green that GS drafted. Not even close for now.

Ainge needs to give away his assets and try to beat Cavs and Warriors now ( very, very difficult to do) or he needs to rebuild like everybody else, since he still has no superstars...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:03 pm    Post subject:

67ShelbyGT wrote:
jodeke wrote:
THE REASON THE CELTICS ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE LAKERS


Whats interesting is OKC just did the exact same thing with the PG trade but no whiny babies crying in Clevelan, Dallas or Charlotte this time.

OKC atoned for a 3y/60M contract to a #2 bust Oladipo and got the best player. Dumped bad K, saved $, and got the top talent. How is this really diff from CP3 trade?


The league doesn't own the Thunder or the Pacers.
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EZ-Ryder wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
So Celtics take Cavs to 6, instead of 5. No biggy.


Isn't Lebron turning 33 this year? They're probably banking on him declining enough in a couple years to get over on the Cavs.


Lebron doesn't age. He's impervious to the laws of nature for whatever reason. He's a genetic freak.


Father Time is undefeated. I bet in 2-3 seasons, injuries will start to be a big issue for him. The only thing I'm concerned about is Boston benefiting from his eventual fall.


I feel like you're right, but I also feel like Lebron doesn't abide by natures laws. First player to average a triple double in the finals at age 32. Even if he did drop off, a worse Lebron is still better than 95% of the league.


Better medical tech and understanding, less allowable contact, more rest, career effectiveness excluding major injuries has been extended an extra year every few years. It'll hit a plateau but 35 is the new 32.
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Telleris wrote:
EZ-Ryder wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
So Celtics take Cavs to 6, instead of 5. No biggy.


Isn't Lebron turning 33 this year? They're probably banking on him declining enough in a couple years to get over on the Cavs.


Lebron doesn't age. He's impervious to the laws of nature for whatever reason. He's a genetic freak.


Father Time is undefeated. I bet in 2-3 seasons, injuries will start to be a big issue for him. The only thing I'm concerned about is Boston benefiting from his eventual fall.


I feel like you're right, but I also feel like Lebron doesn't abide by natures laws. First player to average a triple double in the finals at age 32. Even if he did drop off, a worse Lebron is still better than 95% of the league.


Better medical tech and understanding, less allowable contact, more rest, career effectiveness excluding major injuries has been extended an extra year every few years. It'll hit a plateau but 35 is the new 32.


I'd add PEDs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:24 am    Post subject:

Well, thanks to the warriors and the Cavs, neither team is winning a chip anytime soon.
Celtics won one championship in the last 2 decade with 3 hall of famers, there is no one on this Celtics team will be a HOF
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:42 am    Post subject:

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Well, thanks to the warriors and the Cavs, neither team is winning a chip anytime soon.
Celtics won one championship in the last 2 decade with 3 hall of famers, there is no one on this Celtics team will be a HOF


That's why the goal is always trying to get marquee players who are definite HOF or develop your own if you think they have what it takes. And that's what our FO is doing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:38 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
67ShelbyGT wrote:
jodeke wrote:
THE REASON THE CELTICS ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE LAKERS


Whats interesting is OKC just did the exact same thing with the PG trade but no whiny babies crying in Clevelan, Dallas or Charlotte this time.

OKC atoned for a 3y/60M contract to a #2 bust Oladipo and got the best player. Dumped bad K, saved $, and got the top talent. How is this really diff from CP3 trade?


The league doesn't own the Thunder or the Pacers.

I'm more inclined to believe Gilbert's email had more to do with the veto than Stern being a owner.

David Stern explains why he vetoed the Chris Paul, Lakers trade five years ago

LINK
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:55 am    Post subject:

They just lost Avery Bradley, who was their best defender and two-way player

Cavs in four, if Boston is able to advance...
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