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| angrypuppy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I'd be interested to see divorce rates amongst self-identified Christians in Massachusetts. |
It's quite low here in Mass. Any Christian woman who wants a divorce is obviously a witch, and we burn witches. |
I thought they were drowned? What happened to that fad?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | RCS926 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | I'm surprised. Derek struck me as a staunch Christian. There must be a deep rooted reason for the divorce.
Did his family move the NYC with him? |
Sadly, the divorce rate among Christians mirrors that of the general population as a whole. That shouldn't be the case, but it is. |
Devout Christians tend to disapprove of prolonged dating and sex outside of marriage. Thus, many Christians marry young without knowing the other person very well. That type of marriage doesn't start off on the right foot and is more likely to end in divorce eventually. That partly explains the relatively high divorce rates in the South, the most religious part of the country, as opposed to the low rates in, for instance, Massachusetts. |
A bit of a broad stroke here. I get what angle you're coming from, but I think it's a bit much to lump all Christians together. It may also be a reflection of education levels, income disparity, etc. in the South as opposed to say a Christian living in Manhattan.
I'd be interested to see divorce rates amongst self-identified Christians in Massachusetts. |
| Quote: | | The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1. |
| Quote: | | George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates. |
| Quote: | | The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that "the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people." The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. |
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Yeah. Say what you want about Christianity, but you combine that with lowered education levels in the South and other pejorative factors in the South, sure.
Did the link above show the rate of divorces among self-identified Christians living in Massachusetts?
I'm not of the opinion that being Christian insulates you from divorce. I've seen too many self-identified Christian marriages end up in a divorce for an assortment of reasons that cannot be generalized into one category.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Yeah. Say what you want about Christianity, but you combine that with lowered education levels in the South and other pejorative factors in the South, sure.
Did the link above show the rate of divorces among self-identified Christians living in Massachusetts?
I'm not of the opinion that being Christian insulates you from divorce. I've seen too many self-identified Christian marriages end up in a divorce for an assortment of reasons that cannot be generalized into one category. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Yeah. Say what you want about Christianity, but you combine that with lowered education levels in the South and other pejorative factors in the South, sure.
Did the link above show the rate of divorces among self-identified Christians living in Massachusetts?
I'm not of the opinion that being Christian insulates you from divorce. I've seen too many self-identified Christian marriages end up in a divorce for an assortment of reasons that cannot be generalized into one category. |
I'd also be curious to see what age these people marry. No matter what your religion, people tend to make worse decisions when they're young. |
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The irony in the Christian debate in America is the majority of the people who are actually doing Jesus' work are those who do not believe in him. Jesus work was to help the poor and the sick. Not have 50K cathedrals yapping about how God wants you to donate your money to help fund jets.
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| Reflexx wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Yeah. Say what you want about Christianity, but you combine that with lowered education levels in the South and other pejorative factors in the South, sure.
Did the link above show the rate of divorces among self-identified Christians living in Massachusetts?
I'm not of the opinion that being Christian insulates you from divorce. I've seen too many self-identified Christian marriages end up in a divorce for an assortment of reasons that cannot be generalized into one category. |
I'd also be curious to see what age these people marry. No matter what your religion, people tend to make worse decisions when they're young. |
But if you're more liberal on issues such as dating and sex, you're less likely to get married, particularly if you're young. You might even live together with the other person for a while, without even thinking about marriage because you can have sex for fun and you wouldn't worry about offending God with it. So the one mistake people like that wouldn't make is to get married, but they can engage in many other mistakes, but those mistakes don't affect the divorce rate. I'd say many Christians are more likely to marry younger because they'd disapprove of the above. And when you enter into a marriage due communal pressure without really comprehending what it means to be living with the other person for the rest of your life, problems will arise, which increases the likelihood of divorce. In my previous post, I offered what I think is one reason why divorce is prevalent among Christians (it has nothing to do with Fisher's case, but it has to do with many other Christians). It's not the only reason.
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | The irony in the Christian debate in America is the majority of the people who are actually doing Jesus' work are those who do not believe in him. Jesus work was to help the poor and the sick. Not have 50K cathedrals yapping about how God wants you to donate your money to help fund jets. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I'd be interested to see divorce rates amongst self-identified Christians in Massachusetts. |
It's quite low here in Mass. Any Christian woman who wants a divorce is obviously a witch, and we burn witches. |
I thought they were drowned? What happened to that fad? |
You are making the common mistake of confusing diagnostics with repairs... 
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| Wilt wrote: | | Reflexx wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Yeah. Say what you want about Christianity, but you combine that with lowered education levels in the South and other pejorative factors in the South, sure.
Did the link above show the rate of divorces among self-identified Christians living in Massachusetts?
I'm not of the opinion that being Christian insulates you from divorce. I've seen too many self-identified Christian marriages end up in a divorce for an assortment of reasons that cannot be generalized into one category. |
I'd also be curious to see what age these people marry. No matter what your religion, people tend to make worse decisions when they're young. |
But if you're more liberal on issues such as dating and sex, you're less likely to get married, particularly if you're young. You might even live together with the other person for a while, without even thinking about marriage because you can have sex for fun and you wouldn't worry about offending God with it. So the one mistake people like that wouldn't make is to get married, but they can engage in many other mistakes, but those mistakes don't affect the divorce rate. I'd say many Christians are more likely to marry younger because they'd disapprove of the above. And when you enter into a marriage due communal pressure without really comprehending what it means to be living with the other person for the rest of your life, problems will arise, which increases the likelihood of divorce. In my previous post, I offered what I think is one reason why divorce is prevalent among Christians (it has nothing to do with Fisher's case, but it has to do with many other Christians). It's not the only reason. |
I do think you rightfully noted the geographical differences in your original post. I know plenty of Christians in the Philly-NY-Boston (New England) area who don't fit into that general description above (i.e. marrying young, divorcing soon thereafter). I do think prevailing education levels, cultural norms matter. Huge difference IMO between say an uneducated 21 year old "Christian" in Mississippi getting married to a 25 year old grad student "Christian" in NYC. Different baselines. I would posit (and I don't have any research but more anecdotal) that you'd see some divergence from these two population groups.
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | The irony in the Christian debate in America is the majority of the people who are actually doing Jesus' work are those who do not believe in him. Jesus work was to help the poor and the sick. Not have 50K cathedrals yapping about how God wants you to donate your money to help fund jets. |
It is strange how that idea has been lost on so many people. These days, Jesus would be referred to as a socialist and someone who incentivizes laziness. He had no interest in the new american dream of accumulating wealth for luxuries that are not needed while other people are out there struggling to feed themselves. |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | The irony in the Christian debate in America is the majority of the people who are actually doing Jesus' work are those who do not believe in him. Jesus work was to help the poor and the sick. Not have 50K cathedrals yapping about how God wants you to donate your money to help fund jets. |
It is strange how that idea has been lost on so many people. These days, Jesus would be referred to as a socialist and someone who incentivizes laziness. He had no interest in the new american dream of accumulating wealth for luxuries that are not needed while other people are out there struggling to feed themselves. |
As if this is the norm, rather than the exception. |
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http://thebiglead.com/2016/05/25/derek-fisher-reportedly-agrees-to-pay-ex-wife-1-3-million-in-annual-spousal-support/
| Quote: | Derek Fisher Reportedly Agrees to Pay Ex-Wife $1.3 Million in Annual Spousal Support
Derek Fisher and his ex-wife Candace have finalized their divorce settlement. According to TMZ, court documents indicated that the former Knicks coach has agreed to pay $109,000 per month – or $1.3 million per year – in spousal support, in addition to $15,000 per month in child support for their twin sons, who are nine. The duration of how long these disbursements will take place is not immediately clear from TMZ’s report.
The former couple also reportedly agreed to have their frozen embryos destroyed.
Last year, TMZ reported that after Derek Fisher filed for divorce, Candace filed court documents saying that she was “blindsided” by the decision, which came one month after their 10-year anniversary, and that he screened all her calls and texts for two weeks.
As we’re all aware, Fisher is now dating Matt Barnes’ ex-wife, Gloria Govan. |
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Fish is pretty scummy but somehow I don't feel too bad for his ex wife  |
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| Buck32 wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | She refused to toe the line. |
You're fishing for compliments here. |
And you took the bait... |
There is something fishy about this thread!
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ouch thats alot of money to pay as a retired athlete.
I may have hit the jack pot of the wife I married (smart, educated,beautiful and driven yet still sweet, humble and loyal) but I could never see myself leaving her for some young hot bombshell chick if I somehow got rich and famous. |
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| Triangle_Offense wrote: | | Fish is pretty scummy but somehow I don't feel too bad for his ex wife |
I don't either but that's an entirely different topic. |
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | http://thebiglead.com/2016/05/25/derek-fisher-reportedly-agrees-to-pay-ex-wife-1-3-million-in-annual-spousal-support/
| Quote: | Derek Fisher Reportedly Agrees to Pay Ex-Wife $1.3 Million in Annual Spousal Support
Derek Fisher and his ex-wife Candace have finalized their divorce settlement. According to TMZ, court documents indicated that the former Knicks coach has agreed to pay $109,000 per month – or $1.3 million per year – in spousal support, in addition to $15,000 per month in child support for their twin sons, who are nine. The duration of how long these disbursements will take place is not immediately clear from TMZ’s report.
The former couple also reportedly agreed to have their frozen embryos destroyed.
Last year, TMZ reported that after Derek Fisher filed for divorce, Candace filed court documents saying that she was “blindsided” by the decision, which came one month after their 10-year anniversary, and that he screened all her calls and texts for two weeks.
As we’re all aware, Fisher is now dating Matt Barnes’ ex-wife, Gloria Govan. |
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$1.3 million....ouch...
soon we might see Fish picking recyclables from the trash can trying to make ends meet. |
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| The Knicks owe him $15 million or so I hear so they might as well just directly pay to his ex wife now. |
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| Scumbag should've filed for divorce before the 10-year mark. That makes a big difference when it comes to alimony. |
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| I think this was in the works for a while which is while he knowingly filed after the 10 year mark so she would get her share. I'm guessing this was an agreement on their part. I mean he did agree to pay this much so I'm guessing he's okay with it. |
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I understand people have very strong feelings about child support and alimony. The raw numbers when marriages dissolve can be mindblowing. But Fish will get no sympathy from me. You trade up, you pay up. But even more than that, this dude is walking red carpets with his new chick's kids, not his own. He's taking her whole family on vacations. He didn't just trade in his wife, he traded in his twins too for another set. So now the old set gets to fire up the internets and watch Daddy play daddy somewhere else.
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I never imagined Fish would end up one of those broke athletes but unless he finds another way to continue making substantial income I can see it happening to him in the future. He earned decent money as a player but his highest earning years were only at MLE level.
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| hoopschick29 wrote: | | I understand people have very strong feelings about child support and alimony. The raw numbers when marriages dissolve can be mindblowing. But Fish will get no sympathy from me. You trade up, you pay up. |
Child support is a separate issue from alimony.
I don't even like Fisher anymore, but who cares if he's going out with someone else? That's what everyone does after breaking up with someone. You move on to someone else. In principle why should he be charged for it? |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | hoopschick29 wrote: | | I understand people have very strong feelings about child support and alimony. The raw numbers when marriages dissolve can be mindblowing. But Fish will get no sympathy from me. You trade up, you pay up. |
Child support is a separate issue from alimony.
I don't even like Fisher anymore, but who cares if he's going out with someone else? That's what everyone does after breaking up with someone. You move on to someone else. In principle why should he be charged for it? |
I dont follow Fishes personal life and wont pretend to know all the facts but his divorce didnt seem like it was just a mutual breakup where he then moved on with someone else... it looked like straight abandonment where he dumped his family to go chase younger chicks. That is a jerk move. |
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